"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[BigTigger]

Congrats Expresso.

I highlighted your line before because it's great to be able to get away without paying any Sugar. But from my experience you will gain major bonus points even if you just give enough money for gas. Often the woman would not want to ask and with you taking the lead and giving sugar, you have a great chance of being respected more and getting a return visit. Remember it is a SD site, so a little sugar never hurts.

Otherwise, keep it up man great work!

Anyway, a solid 2 hours was enjoyed by both parties with never any expectations of sugar. All it cost me was the FC and an $11 bar tab.

[BigTigger]

Now this is what I call a good deal!

CL has been busy in my local areas. More busy than I have the time for.

This is the 19yr AA MILF. Have her on a 300 monthly allowance, for getting the FC twice a week. I am a cheap bastard. .

Cute face, and one heck of an ass. Have her on the dock next week as well.

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[ExpressoMan]

You are right on with this assessment Rob. I agree completely and yours is very much my strategy as well. In my rookie experience, I think that your game is almost as important as the sugar. The way I see it, I am in a total uncover fantasy world so why not just throw it all out there (game-wise) hold nothing back. You have nothing to lose. Be confident, crack jokes, get outside of your comfort zone if you will. I have said things and acted in a manner that I never would in the civilian world. Not in a bad way, but just more outgoing and confident than I typically would be. As many guys have said on this board, there is a huge supply of babies and this number is increasing daily. So if you strike out, there is another right around the corner. So far it is working quite well for me. Don't let your age, looks or shape be YOUR hang-up. Because it isn't theirs. As Hernando said, we are all old to them. Doesn't matter if you are 35 or 65. We are old. Unless your fishy in the MILF or GILF ponds. If you let your age or looks bother you, no matter how you try to hide or ignore it, it will bleed through and be a downer for the baby. Just my 2 cents guys and may I say again, thanks for all the fine insights and tips from everyone.

Expressoman

SD4M girls are more desperate and are more closer to Non-pro or UTR. You should have no problems.

SA requires a little more game, but still as long as you are not a weirdo, and have decent conversation you are fine.

You can always compensate lack of looks or game by offering a high sugar amount, at 1200 bucks a month or 300-500 per meet.

You shouldn't have any problems.

I'm 32, been doing this off and on since I was 29 (I still lie to some of the girls and say I'm 29)

I could always attract average to below average girls at bars, but eventually got tired of the grind everytime I went out.

I use the sugar bowl to, bone girls that I usually could bone but with less effort and BS. I also use the sugar bowl to try out kinky sex.

That I like, but would afraid to try on a civvy girl, I didn't know very well. The most important attribute is that I use the sugar to bone.

Super hott chicks that normaly would not give an somewhat above average guy like me the time of day. So I usually end up paying more for the almost model types.

Even though I am good looking and in shape.

[Revvo]

Love the report. And I agree wholeheartedly on your advice.

My best babies, have all contacted me first. I can get them the other way but it is so much more work.

There is an old saying that says we chose the women that chose us. So true. Also work the profile speak from the heart. Be descriptive. Spend time on it. Tune it for different age groups. Use their language not yours.

Finally I do not believe women are nearly as concerned about looks as we are. Except for maybe the really young ones and that is mainly because they have not developed any other criteria yet. One of the best looking ones I have, going to be fucking her tonight. Never asked for a picture. She even told me she did not care.

It is the personality, with, charm, and above all confidence that women want. And finally they crave honesty. Give her this and you are golden. Don't and you are In a fight.

Of course the whole SD / SB process can screw this up sometimes.

Revvo

[Dsprdo]

I just wanted to remind the brotherhood to make sure you spend time writing a profile that does a good job of describing who you are and what you want.

This is a very interesting subject. I'd really like to hear how much detail you go into. I started out very generic, then beefed it up a little but still am not specific, other than to say looking for an ongoing arrangement, one to two times per week. Do you mention that you expect a physical relationship in your profile? Discuss sugar at all? I would also be interested in any feedback you've gotten from SB's as to what caught their eye. I think HG could probably give some insight into that as well.

[John G Smith]

I just wanted to remind the brotherhood to make sure you spend time writing a profile that does a good job of describing who you are and what you want. My Euro Baby found me by search and my profile got her attention so she sought me out. As I said, she basically just fell into my lap.

Some of the best SBs I've had were the ones that contacted me first. Because I added a good amount of detail to my profile, after you weed out the long distance girls and spam, the girls who contact me after reading it are usually pre-qualified very well right from the start.

Obviously, being proactive and sending out first contact messages is still very important. But a well-written profile which details what you're looking for can bring in a surprise or two either today or a few weeks / months from now. I've noticed when I make the initial contact usually I can snag up to a 7. But the times I got an 8 or above, they almost always made the initial contact. It doesn't happen often, but the time I spent on writing my profile (on both SA and SDFM) has paid dividends. So don't overlook it.

[John G Smith]

When is this going to happen to me. LOL

I just got a text from her saying she enjoyed our time together, so yaay! No mention of the allowance I gave her, so at least the amount I gave her didn't turn her away.

But she's a bit of a free spirit and she attracts attention wherever she goes. I've been used to having my SBs semi-exclusive to me, but I'm going to have to get used to just letting her do whatever on her own time and simply enjoy the time we do spend together. Which is fair because honestly I've been a bit of a hypocrite. I demand SBs to be fairly exclusive to me but then I'm still seeing multiple SBs (at least for the past 6 months).

Still HWG, I'm envious of the harem you got. Not simply because you have multiple SBs, but because you have them all aware of each other and they're more or less okay with it.

[Rob Taylor]

So, do these sites work for us overweight, old, ugly guys as well as you young, hot, studly types?

I get the distinct impression that I would greatly suffer in comparison to some of you guys.

SD4M girls are more desperate and are more closer to Non-pro or UTR. You should have no problems.

SA requires a little more game, but still as long as you are not a weirdo, and have decent conversation you are fine.

You can always compensate lack of looks or game by offering a high sugar amount, at 1200 bucks a month or 300-500 per meet.

You shouldn't have any problems.

I'm 32, been doing this off and on since I was 29 (I still lie to some of the girls and say I'm 29)

I could always attract average to below average girls at bars, but eventually got tired of the grind everytime I went out.

I use the sugar bowl to, bone girls that I usually could bone but with less effort and BS. I also use the sugar bowl to try out kinky sex.

That I like, but would afraid to try on a civvy girl, I didn't know very well. The most important attribute is that I use the sugar to bone.

Super hott chicks that normaly would not give an somewhat above average guy like me the time of day. So I usually end up paying more for the almost model types.

Even though I am good looking and in shape.

[HollywoodGuy]

So, do these sites work for us overweight, old, ugly guys as well as you young, hot, studly types?

I get the distinct impression that I would greatly suffer in comparison to some of you guys.

I stay in touch with a few of my X's (and have queried many a SB over time) and I would say that looks are second (or third) to personality and sugar for most of these girls. Other wise they would be paying me. More LOLz

[HollywoodGuy]

If my Sugar Bowl career ends tomorrow, I can now retire happy.

When is this going to happen to me. LOL

[Hernando]

So, do these sites work for us overweight, old, ugly guys as well as you young, hot, studly types?

I get the distinct impression that I would greatly suffer in comparison to some of you guys.

I am older, handsome, look younger, sweet, affectionate, reasonably generous, and still struggle to find a string of girls.

I believe it is personality and comfort in "the Game". So Zomby man, if you "got game " then you are good. The bottom line is, that all SBs that we lust after think of our age as old. Shoot, a freshman in college thinks a senior is old (my kids terminology). Thirty something guys (a few on here) have an advantage with 18 to 20 somethings, but if you project power, wealth, privilege, and confidence then I think girls can overlook looks, shape, and age somewhat. They want to be taken care of financially, then sexually. Occasionally we find that amazing nugget of gold who clicks with us and is not into the Money (like JG Smith just found)

Just my opinion and as usual, YMMV

[Zomby]

So, do these sites work for us overweight, old, ugly guys as well as you young, hot, studly types?

I get the distinct impression that I would greatly suffer in comparison to some of you guys.

[ExpressoMan]

Thanks for the comment HWG. I can see what you mean. It makes sense. I definitley want to raise the bar. I was just surprised how easy it was to score if you are in need. I got back on the site yesterday and by evening I had 2 m&g's lined up with 2 more today. The 2 from last night were both aa, both thick but solid 7s in the face. Both were great potentials and I will probably see again. One was 23 the other was 35. The 35yr old an I made out like 9th graders in the car before going home. I also have been in contact with a couple of really nice prospects who I hope to set up meets with soon. I will report in more detail when I have time. Again, I'm surprised it is all so easy.

Them.

If this is your target, you will find a lot of older, not so perfect, MILFY types that just "don't want to date a loser". (their words not mine). So they figure a guy on an SD site might be a good place to look. And if they were to take money from you that would make them a "pro". Short for the word they normally use and not a concept that sits well with them.

What their attitude is down the road, I couldn't say. But make hay while the sun shines.

[John G Smith]

If my Sugar Bowl career ends tomorrow, I can now retire happy.

I'll give a little more in-depth update later, but I just want to quickly jot down my experience while I'm still in the after-glow. So my SA membership was about to expire and with a few days remaining, out of the blue a 20 year-old Eastern European student / model contacts me. She actually lived within a 2-hour radius of me but because she was Eastern European, I instantly assumed it was just another scam at first. I was slow responding and she eventually sent me another follow-up messages to ask if I was still interested in talking and etc. I decided to bite and she gave me her phone number, but again I was a little slow sending her the initial text message.

I finally starting texting her and we exchanged pictures. She seemed to like my picture and she sent me a couple of her pictures. They looked good, but the angles were a bit awkward and I thought she might be a 7 or 8 (in both body and face). Still we clicked pretty well over text and she asked to meet this weekend. Not once did she mention anything about allowance. I usually like to sort the allowance before the meet, but this time I decided to go with the flow. We already agreed that if M&G went well, we'd proceed to the FC afterward (though she was a little hesitant at the idea first).

So yesterday we meet for lunch. Even though she lives 2 hours away, she drove 3/4 the way toward me, which was great. When she steps out of the car I'm looking at a 10/10 (Face / Body) model type Eastern European girl. Literally a perfect 10! I got to admit I was a little bit intimidated. I've been with some attractive girls, generally 8s and the rare 9. But never in the Sugar Bowl with a certified Perfect 10. People's heads were turning and just about every guy was eying her in the restaurant at one point or another. That's how hot she was. While I was happy to share company with this Perfect 10, I thought for sure I was going to have a GPS on my hands especially since we still hadn't discussed the allowance.

The lunch went well and we had finished our food but still the allowance never came up. In fact we had a little awkward moment because I wanted to try to proceed things to the FC but I wasn't sure if it was wise since again no allowance had been discussed. But I asked if she wanted to go to the FC and we both laughed because she was eager and waiting for me to ask.

In the FC, oh my. Her body was even more flawless than I could have imagined. Perky C-cups, long legs, slender body, soft skin, and shapely ass. And she just wasn't a pretty statue either, she really got into it and was super affectionate. It was like having a long-lost girlfriend. And then at the end of each round, she completely gulped down all my man-juice. I honestly never had oral pleasures that good, especially from someone her age.

We spent the whole afternoon and evening together in the FC (7 hours.ish). In between rounds we would talk and then cuddle. She even went out briefly to buy us coffee, which she insisted on paying for. And again no discussion of allowance yet! Toward the end, she was already talking about us getting together again soon, so clearly she enjoyed herself. But I was starting to get nervous that the allowance I would give her wouldn't be adequate. At the end, I walked her to the car and gave her an envelope of $.5. Honestly she was worth twice that amount but that's all I brought because I had no idea she would be a 10/10/10/10 across the board (face, body, attitude, skills).

When she drove off she waved and wished me safe travels, but I don't know if she looked at the amount yet. I am a little nervous that the allowance I gave her didn't meet her expectations because she's had a couple of very rich boyfriends (well beyond my networth). But she also has a particular affinity for my race and I could definitely feel she was attracted to me, so perhaps that's why the allowance was never discussed. Still I know it's part of the deal. Later today, when I txt her I guess I'll find out if the allowance I gave her was a deal breaker or not.

Either way, even if I don't see her again or another SB for that matter, I can die happy from the Sugar Bowl. We've talked about numerous times in this forum about having a hot time with a 6 several times instead of a 10 once. But what if you find a 20 year-old non-GPS 10 who gets down and dirty like 6 with the skills of a MILF, and with also a sweet personality? I just experienced that and it was like a small piece of heaven. Sometimes one absolutely amazing experience can trump them all. If she actually texts me back and is satisfied with the allowance I gave her, I'm going to put all the other SBs out to pasture. May not be the smartest thing to do, but my Euro SB exceeds all my other SBs in every category. So I rather put all my resources in keeping my Euro Baby happy.

Okay I'm done. You can pull the cord.

[HollywoodGuy]

She is 35, white, single mom, has a part time job. Probably a 6 in the face. 6 in the body (thickness) .10 for attitude. I am confident all I have to do is say the word and she will be on her knees. I'm sure there was some beginner's luck involved here but I will take it. What a great start!

If this is your target, you will find a lot of older, not so perfect, MILFY types that just "don't want to date a loser". (their words not mine). So they figure a guy on an SD site might be a good place to look. And if they were to take money from you that would make them a "pro". Short for the word they normally use and not a concept that sits well with them.

What their attitude is down the road, I couldn't say. But make hay while the sun shines.