"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

I broke protocol and wired some help.

I have made advance payments with mixed results. It's definitely a crap shoot, but this one sounds positive.

[LoriTruck]

Update on Chatter box who I posted earlier was a 10/10/10/10, if you apply the Face / body / personality / skills formula. The new numbers are in at 10/10/8/10 and here is what went down. I text her to see how her weekend was and no answer so I follow that text a few hours later with a cancellation of our get together this Friday. She responds right then saying things are not good. Come to find out she got an eviction notice. If she doesn't come up with the money then she gets kicked out in a week. I'm thinking it will take an astronomical amount to get her in right standings, turns out they want to evict her over $275. If she doesn't come up with at least 150 by days end, she can't stay there & 125 due in a week. I broke protocol and wired some help. I even tried to pay over the phone with a gift card in case I was being deceived but they only accepted cashiers check, so me being 5 hours away didn't have many options. If indeed I got deceived, she will further damage her personality ranks. If the whole situation was legit then she is a keeper because we are scheduled for Thursday and based on her texts saying " Just left the office goodness did I get myself in a huge mess this time! Thank you so much! U have no idea I would have been homeless if not for your sexy ass you are so amazing I can not thank you enough! Now I can live there for the month of June haha. I owe you!" She is not from the area since she is there for school and she doesn't know too many people there. Thursday will make or break this one. I didn't hesitate to advance the sugar here and help out because they left a pretty good impression after our first meeting.

[ICantGetNo]

That comment got me thinking since I'm a recent transplant from So. Cal. To Richmond. If you look at the first report on this thread, it seems that a Richmonder was the first to post about his SB curiosity. I suppose the better question is why are so many from around the country posting on Richmond's site. I agree that the accumulated knowledge of the tribe makes for a much more informative and valuable thread, but certainly we can be grateful for those in Richmond who initiated this gem.

Good to see you on the thread BikeRider. Tech from international experience will no doubt be useful to us all. It's just a fluke this thread is on the Richmond board and we're lucky to have attracted over time some very experienced players from all over the country.

[Pats Fan1]

Thanks for the story sire. Good that you wife was not of the type "once a cheater, always a cheater" LOL. Little does she know that how true is this saying.

As Michael Corleone says in The Godfather. Don't kid yourself we're all part of the same hypocrisy. To use a couple of Sub Cmnders sayings they're all garden tools (and I'm including anyone's wife or girlfriend). You are always (or 99% of the time) going to pay something. Even if your in the dating world it's drinks or lunch or dinner or something (sometimes multiple dates). Especially when your over 40 yrs old like me. I think when I was in my 20's I had some girls that I literally didn't buy them even a drink and got laid. But then again if you can't get laid in your 20's your pretty pathetic. My CPO with my wife is extremely high (thousands of $$$ per). So I try to keep my CPO is these other areas much lower to make up for it. Why do I cheat? Because there are hot young babes out there and I can. I have girls at work and my wife's friends that always hitting on me. I stay away because that can never end well. This way I pay a SB and I'm upfront that it is not a long term thing. It is a no drama fun time. I treat them right. At the very minimum the "do no harm" mantra. Even though they are garden tools. I'm a horny dirty bastard. So I treat them well.

[BikeRider]

Game and sugar (aside from the normal dating expenses)? Or just game?

Just Game. AM does have some women on it that ask for sugar, but I've avoided them. The vast majority of them just want either sex, or a lover (relationship). The tough part is avoiding the sticky ones that want to be exclusive with you. Having said this. You can't be cheap. I don't bring them to McDonalds, and we don't shag at a Motel 6.

The women I'm currently seeing have never asked for sugar. The MILFs usually just want to meet in a hotel room (Courtyard level) , and shag. I usually bring a nice bottle of wine or Patron with some snacks. The staffer and I usually have a great dinner / wine and then to a nice hotel. The flight attendant and I do the same. Wine and dine. We've had a few vacations together too (at my expense). I've given her (besides the normal be-day / Christmas) a few random gifts over the years. She's probably given me more gifts though. She's always showing up with high-end clothes for me. Maybe she doesn't like the way I dress!

I cancelled my M&G with the Asia Carrera look alike today. Something just didn't seem right. I normally don't meet until there is some significant chemistry and sexual tension built up. This gives me about an 80% F-close on the first meet. My spidey senses were tingling with her so I bailed.

[HollywoodGuy]

All of these women. Save the Korean flight attendant were found on Ashley Madison. As others have said, it takes a huge amount of time but it does pay dividends if you have a bit of game.

Game and sugar (aside from the normal dating expenses)? Or just game?

[Member #5570]

I don't know if it's the nice weather or what, but I've been pretty busy with SA, and it's only been 2-3 days since I've been back on it.

Working on about 7-8 POTs. Some milfs, a preggo, and a few 18-19 yr olds.

I am having FC set ups for later this week so hopefully I will have some reports to share. I will also be testing M4M pills and report on that too.

At this point, I don't think I am going to pursue that hot model. I'll just sit on her and see if she gets back to me.

Sounds like you fine gents been having lots of fun yourself.

[Brian139]

Now I'm back in the game and have a much different setup. Everything is layered and disposable. In 5 minutes flat it can be all shut down w / o a trace except for my private laptop (forensics could get stuff off there). Could I get caught again? Sure. But it won't be as easy and carelessly as the last time.

Thanks for the story sire. Good that you wife was not of the type "once a cheater, always a cheater" LOL. Little does she know that how true is this saying.

[BikeRider]

So, I've spent 3 days on the above website. I'd have to say it is ok.

I've done pretty well (stats later when I get time to report them), but it has also been an education. I'm not use to negotiating terms so early in a conversation. More interestingly I did receive one email asking for $4500 in green dot cash or they were going to report my name, pictures, and IP address to my family. I had a good laugh on that one as I hit the spam button. But, I could see how it might freak out a less tech savy SD or a beginner. It also made me a little more careful on the trigger with pictures.

I've two M&G's scheduled for tomorrow 28 yod Asian. (looks like Asia Carerra) , and a 27 yod AA. I've also two scheduled for Wed. 38 yod white (above my usual age range but she's a knock out!) , and 24 yod Latino. I'll report back on how they go. I'm expecting the there to be an issue with the Asian girl. She agreed to meet way too quick. She's either going to bail on me, or hit me up for mega bucks.

Oh and I read in the past reports about the "Baroness". Even though I'm in DC she sent me an email. I didn't reply! .

[BikeRider]

I'm finishing up my third day on SD4M, and it has been interesting to say the least. I'll give more details in another report here soon. But, I'd thought I'd give a Monday report on what my rotation looks like prior to SD4M.

(BTW. I believe the rating system is face / body / attitude / sex. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I'm going to give it in this report)

KAL. 10/9/8/8. 31 yod Flight attendant for Korean Air. We met 5+ years ago on a flight and hit it off. She's 31 now and getting old for an asian air line. We use to see each other weekly, but now it is probably once a month due to both of our schedules changing.

Banker. 8/9/9/10. 24 yod white associate at an investment bank. She's a total freak. Married. She wants me just for sex and who am I to complain.

MILF1. 6/8/7/7. 31 yod East Indian MILF. Her mommy schedule makes it hard to meet. But it is fun when we can.

MILF2. 7/8/9/10. 41 yod white MILF. Oddly she's a cougar normally not sure why she likes me. But again I won't complain.

MILF3. 7/7/10/10+.31 yod american indian accountant. This woman can shag! But, our schedules are almost at polar opposites.

AA. 10/10/8/8. 32 yod african american congressional staffer. Married with no kids, and her hubby ignores her.

All of these women. Save the Korean flight attendant were found on Ashley Madison. As others have said, it takes a huge amount of time but it does pay dividends if you have a bit of game.

[Pats Fan1]

I've had four separate guys PM me to ask how I got caught by the wife during my fling with Braizillian SB I mentioned last week on this thread. So here goes. I'll try not to make too long.

I have been hobbying since 2003 (escorts and massage). I met Brazillian SB (BSB) in 2007 and got caught in March 2008. I was pretty active on the 2 major review boards and used a user name at the time that was the same on those boards plus this site (also the defunct CLR). Also my email I was using was the same user nameathotmail. Not really smart back then when it came to layering things. I also hobbied with my regular cell phone (had no separate hobby phone). My wife was (and thankfully still is.) really dumb when it comes to technology stuff.

On the evening I got caught we went out to dinner with a business associate / friend of ours. After dinner we went by my office which was nearby. We were talking and he said hey do you want to see pics of my new girlfriend. Sure. Go onto ******* (that tells you how long ago this was). As I typed the website in it came up and my hobby email was already populated in the username box. I had just joined ******* and had one friend (you guessed it.) BSB. She told me to sign up to ******* and friend her and I would see kinds of hot pics of her. So my wife saw the login page briefly and saw there was a different email than my usual one. I closed it quickly but she said what was that? We started arguing my friend left and we were still there. She started to cry and kept asking me what was going on? I had to think quick. If she got a hold of that email and did a google search all of my escort review activities and everything would be right there for her to see. My family reputation, my family life, my professional career were all in the air. I copped to the affair with the BSB hoping it would send her off on a tangent and by me time.

Thankfully, it worked. The next few days sucked. I tried to be like a duck. Looked calm as shit above water, but below water my feet were paddling like a SOB. I was contacting every site changing my usernames. Mixing up my passwords. Deleting emails. Deleting telephone numbers. Wiping my computer clean. Thankfully she never came back to insisting I show her what that different email address was. I told her I would break it off with the BSB. She said she didn't believe me. I told I would do it over speakerphone and she could be there. I did just that. My kids were (ages 3 and 1) really young at the time and I didn't want to mess up life for them. I get along really great with my wife. She is a good lady and very funny. We have a lot of fun and a great life in every way but the bed. She is great at it (best head I've ever had in my life, and I've had close to 200). However, ever since the kids her desire is way down and we just don't have it often enough for me.

I learned a lot from the experience. Now I'm back in the game and have a much different setup. Everything is layered and disposable. In 5 minutes flat it can be all shut down w / o a trace except for my private laptop (forensics could get stuff off there). Could I get caught again? Sure. But it won't be as easy and carelessly as the last time.

[PartyTimeGuy]

I bought tickets for a stripper and her friend to fly to join me on a trip to Miami. They had my real name. (I was dumb, but she was gorgeous and Mr Johnson usurped the negotiations). I woke up one morning in a panic and realized the strippers had enough information to sink me and if they didn't enjoy themselves in Miami, they could give me a different kind of screwing than I wanted. So I canceled and told the girls to cash in the tickets and keep the money. They tried and the airlines said no. I cancelled and got a partial refund and sent the full amount of the tickets to the girls. I told myself I got off cheap. If I ever do it again I will just send them the cash and not my name but I will "first make sure they are legit." Unless Johnson gets involved again.

My worst SB decisions have been letting the little head rather than the big head make my decision. There can be some bad consequences with some crazy and devious SBs out there. You get off easy if all it costs you is some extra cash.

[Literal2]

I'm a senior member on the International board (same name) as I've spent most of the last decade on a plane to and from Asia. In Asia, I usually just used the free sites (Tagged, Baddoo, etc) to build-up a group of good friends / FWB. That usually creates momentum and you're off to the races. My standards are pretty high, and I managed to do fairly well.

I'm also becoming long of tooth now. Not as long in tooth as Hollywood (you're my hero. Love the rainbow coalition you have going). But long enough that the 20 somethings are harder to catch. I've been using AFF (I know it sucks now. But I had good luck a number of years ago) , and Ashley Madison with pretty good luck with the 30 somethings. But, I yearn for the 20 somethings. So here I am.

So I created a SD4M account yesterday, and I'll give an accounting after my free trial is over next week.

BR

Good to see you on the thread BikeRider. Tech from international experience will no doubt be useful to us all. It's just a fluke this thread is on the Richmond board and we're lucky to have attracted over time some very experienced players from all over the country.

[Literal2]

Lit, you addressed the biggest concern I had about buying a plane ticket for a potential SB.

For those of us who have to worry about the Warden, draconian divorce penalties for break out attempts from Sex Prison and such, postal money orders can help with sugar deliveries.

You don't need I D to buy them and you can make them payable to a specific party. If they get lost in the mail and / or remain uncashed you can eventually get your money back. Once you have them you can make them payable to a specific party, like an airlines, so they can't be used for anything else.

At least thats my conclusion after limited experience with them. I know you can buy them anonymously at the post office. Up to $1k I think. I know you can restrict the payee and get the money back if they are lost. I don't know how many airlines accept them. A google search indicates at least some do. So further research or input needed for sb travel purposes but seems promising.

[Literal2]

I tell her that I do not want to force her to do anything that she does not want to do and that we can go slow if she likes. And I even tell her that if I feel that she is not totally into this I will be the one to back out.

I have found that this little detail is a big winner with the hot ones because they are not used to this.

Good lesson here. Of course, it makes all the difference whether you appear confident or unsure.