"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Brian139]

Now I'm back in the game and have a much different setup. Everything is layered and disposable. In 5 minutes flat it can be all shut down w / o a trace except for my private laptop (forensics could get stuff off there). Could I get caught again? Sure. But it won't be as easy and carelessly as the last time.

Thanks for the story sire. Good that you wife was not of the type "once a cheater, always a cheater" LOL. Little does she know that how true is this saying.

[BikeRider]

So, I've spent 3 days on the above website. I'd have to say it is ok.

I've done pretty well (stats later when I get time to report them), but it has also been an education. I'm not use to negotiating terms so early in a conversation. More interestingly I did receive one email asking for $4500 in green dot cash or they were going to report my name, pictures, and IP address to my family. I had a good laugh on that one as I hit the spam button. But, I could see how it might freak out a less tech savy SD or a beginner. It also made me a little more careful on the trigger with pictures.

I've two M&G's scheduled for tomorrow 28 yod Asian. (looks like Asia Carerra) , and a 27 yod AA. I've also two scheduled for Wed. 38 yod white (above my usual age range but she's a knock out!) , and 24 yod Latino. I'll report back on how they go. I'm expecting the there to be an issue with the Asian girl. She agreed to meet way too quick. She's either going to bail on me, or hit me up for mega bucks.

Oh and I read in the past reports about the "Baroness". Even though I'm in DC she sent me an email. I didn't reply! .

[BikeRider]

I'm finishing up my third day on SD4M, and it has been interesting to say the least. I'll give more details in another report here soon. But, I'd thought I'd give a Monday report on what my rotation looks like prior to SD4M.

(BTW. I believe the rating system is face / body / attitude / sex. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I'm going to give it in this report)

KAL. 10/9/8/8. 31 yod Flight attendant for Korean Air. We met 5+ years ago on a flight and hit it off. She's 31 now and getting old for an asian air line. We use to see each other weekly, but now it is probably once a month due to both of our schedules changing.

Banker. 8/9/9/10. 24 yod white associate at an investment bank. She's a total freak. Married. She wants me just for sex and who am I to complain.

MILF1. 6/8/7/7. 31 yod East Indian MILF. Her mommy schedule makes it hard to meet. But it is fun when we can.

MILF2. 7/8/9/10. 41 yod white MILF. Oddly she's a cougar normally not sure why she likes me. But again I won't complain.

MILF3. 7/7/10/10+.31 yod american indian accountant. This woman can shag! But, our schedules are almost at polar opposites.

AA. 10/10/8/8. 32 yod african american congressional staffer. Married with no kids, and her hubby ignores her.

All of these women. Save the Korean flight attendant were found on Ashley Madison. As others have said, it takes a huge amount of time but it does pay dividends if you have a bit of game.

[Pats Fan1]

I've had four separate guys PM me to ask how I got caught by the wife during my fling with Braizillian SB I mentioned last week on this thread. So here goes. I'll try not to make too long.

I have been hobbying since 2003 (escorts and massage). I met Brazillian SB (BSB) in 2007 and got caught in March 2008. I was pretty active on the 2 major review boards and used a user name at the time that was the same on those boards plus this site (also the defunct CLR). Also my email I was using was the same user nameathotmail. Not really smart back then when it came to layering things. I also hobbied with my regular cell phone (had no separate hobby phone). My wife was (and thankfully still is.) really dumb when it comes to technology stuff.

On the evening I got caught we went out to dinner with a business associate / friend of ours. After dinner we went by my office which was nearby. We were talking and he said hey do you want to see pics of my new girlfriend. Sure. Go onto ******* (that tells you how long ago this was). As I typed the website in it came up and my hobby email was already populated in the username box. I had just joined ******* and had one friend (you guessed it.) BSB. She told me to sign up to ******* and friend her and I would see kinds of hot pics of her. So my wife saw the login page briefly and saw there was a different email than my usual one. I closed it quickly but she said what was that? We started arguing my friend left and we were still there. She started to cry and kept asking me what was going on? I had to think quick. If she got a hold of that email and did a google search all of my escort review activities and everything would be right there for her to see. My family reputation, my family life, my professional career were all in the air. I copped to the affair with the BSB hoping it would send her off on a tangent and by me time.

Thankfully, it worked. The next few days sucked. I tried to be like a duck. Looked calm as shit above water, but below water my feet were paddling like a SOB. I was contacting every site changing my usernames. Mixing up my passwords. Deleting emails. Deleting telephone numbers. Wiping my computer clean. Thankfully she never came back to insisting I show her what that different email address was. I told her I would break it off with the BSB. She said she didn't believe me. I told I would do it over speakerphone and she could be there. I did just that. My kids were (ages 3 and 1) really young at the time and I didn't want to mess up life for them. I get along really great with my wife. She is a good lady and very funny. We have a lot of fun and a great life in every way but the bed. She is great at it (best head I've ever had in my life, and I've had close to 200). However, ever since the kids her desire is way down and we just don't have it often enough for me.

I learned a lot from the experience. Now I'm back in the game and have a much different setup. Everything is layered and disposable. In 5 minutes flat it can be all shut down w / o a trace except for my private laptop (forensics could get stuff off there). Could I get caught again? Sure. But it won't be as easy and carelessly as the last time.

[PartyTimeGuy]

I bought tickets for a stripper and her friend to fly to join me on a trip to Miami. They had my real name. (I was dumb, but she was gorgeous and Mr Johnson usurped the negotiations). I woke up one morning in a panic and realized the strippers had enough information to sink me and if they didn't enjoy themselves in Miami, they could give me a different kind of screwing than I wanted. So I canceled and told the girls to cash in the tickets and keep the money. They tried and the airlines said no. I cancelled and got a partial refund and sent the full amount of the tickets to the girls. I told myself I got off cheap. If I ever do it again I will just send them the cash and not my name but I will "first make sure they are legit." Unless Johnson gets involved again.

My worst SB decisions have been letting the little head rather than the big head make my decision. There can be some bad consequences with some crazy and devious SBs out there. You get off easy if all it costs you is some extra cash.

[Literal2]

I'm a senior member on the International board (same name) as I've spent most of the last decade on a plane to and from Asia. In Asia, I usually just used the free sites (Tagged, Baddoo, etc) to build-up a group of good friends / FWB. That usually creates momentum and you're off to the races. My standards are pretty high, and I managed to do fairly well.

I'm also becoming long of tooth now. Not as long in tooth as Hollywood (you're my hero. Love the rainbow coalition you have going). But long enough that the 20 somethings are harder to catch. I've been using AFF (I know it sucks now. But I had good luck a number of years ago) , and Ashley Madison with pretty good luck with the 30 somethings. But, I yearn for the 20 somethings. So here I am.

So I created a SD4M account yesterday, and I'll give an accounting after my free trial is over next week.

BR

Good to see you on the thread BikeRider. Tech from international experience will no doubt be useful to us all. It's just a fluke this thread is on the Richmond board and we're lucky to have attracted over time some very experienced players from all over the country.

[Literal2]

Lit, you addressed the biggest concern I had about buying a plane ticket for a potential SB.

For those of us who have to worry about the Warden, draconian divorce penalties for break out attempts from Sex Prison and such, postal money orders can help with sugar deliveries.

You don't need I D to buy them and you can make them payable to a specific party. If they get lost in the mail and / or remain uncashed you can eventually get your money back. Once you have them you can make them payable to a specific party, like an airlines, so they can't be used for anything else.

At least thats my conclusion after limited experience with them. I know you can buy them anonymously at the post office. Up to $1k I think. I know you can restrict the payee and get the money back if they are lost. I don't know how many airlines accept them. A google search indicates at least some do. So further research or input needed for sb travel purposes but seems promising.

[Literal2]

I tell her that I do not want to force her to do anything that she does not want to do and that we can go slow if she likes. And I even tell her that if I feel that she is not totally into this I will be the one to back out.

I have found that this little detail is a big winner with the hot ones because they are not used to this.

Good lesson here. Of course, it makes all the difference whether you appear confident or unsure.

[BigTigger]

I responded that I am discreet, not going to cause her any problems with her friends, that I live very close and stop in myself from time to time. I left it with the message that I am interested but the ball is in her court. I think that this will either push her to me or away from me, can't wait to find out which.

Very smooth, I think if she is reasonable, you have a very good chance of tasting the goodies on this one. She may be spooked a little by the chance meeting, but you handled it so adult like, that if she's truly SB material, you should get bonus points. Keep us updated.

BT

[FotoGuy1970]

Great tips, Tigg! Many thanks!

Lit, you addressed the biggest concern I had about buying a plane ticket for a potential SB. Thanks for easing my concerns!

[Literal2]

I'm not sure of the loopholes that come with plane ticket purchases, but isn't it possible that if I bought the ticket for them, they could just turn around and cash it in and never fly out here? If that is the case, is it safer for me if they purchase the plane ticket, then I would reimburse them as part of the sugar? Any other thoughts / opinions / warnings any of you can offer on this topic? I'd appreciate any insight that would be offered!

My experience is that if you buy the ticket these days the passenger can't get cash for it, rather they credit back your card if you or she cancels in time and there's some refund coming. However the problem with buying the ticket for her is that there is a paper trail tying you to her. I think she can probably find out your real name from the airlines if she wants. If thats ok with you then no problem, buying her the ticket is the way to go because she can't cash it in (but she could just not show up in which case you lose the fare).

On the other hand, if you send her the money for the ticket, there is a significant possibility you will never see her or the money again. One of the most common scams is for an sb from London, Latvia, Boston or wherever to ask the sd to send money so she can travel to him.

Notice that BT's list of suggestions based on extensive experience starts with "be sure she is legit" and he suggests you fly to see her first.

I bought tickets for a stripper and her friend to fly to join me on a trip to Miami. They had my real name. (I was dumb, but she was gorgeous and Mr Johnson usurped the negotiations). I woke up one morning in a panic and realized the strippers had enough information to sink me and if they didn't enjoy themselves in Miami, they could give me a different kind of screwing than I wanted. So I canceled and told the girls to cash in the tickets and keep the money. They tried and the airlines said no. I cancelled and got a partial refund and sent the full amount of the tickets to the girls. I told myself I got off cheap. If I ever do it again I will just send them the cash and not my name but I will "first make sure they are legit." Unless Johnson gets involved again.

[Dsprdo]

After my dinner date with the nursing student HCB last week, all has been quiet. We have texted back and forth a few times, and I have tried to move her along, with no success. Yesterday I sent her one last text saying that I was interested in seeing her again, I know she is busy with school, please get in touch when she has some time. I had chalked this one up as not interested, but thought I would leave her with that message and then seek greener pastures.

Last night I stopped in the local sports bar to watch the end of the game. I had paid my tab and was getting ready to leave, when who walks in but the nursing student. I'm afraid I did a bit of a double-take when I saw her, it was so unexpected. She had been walking towards me to sit with some friends of hers just down the bar. She stopped in her tracks, said an awkward hello, then told her friends she would be right there and turned to the ladies room. From there she responded to my text from earlier in the day, said she wanted to get together too, had been very busy, blah blah blah. She told me that her SA name was not her real name and said that she hung out here with her friends quite often. I assured her that I was not going to embarrass her in front of her friends. After a few minutes she came out and sat with her friends. I gave her a polite nod and left. After I was home I got a couple more texts from her, very apologetic. I responded that I am discreet, not going to cause her any problems with her friends, that I live very close and stop in myself from time to time. I left it with the message that I am interested but the ball is in her court. I think that this will either push her to me or away from me, can't wait to find out which.

[BigTigger]

Not sure how it happened. In 36 hours I have had the Latino MILF twice and two 23 year old hotties who had been holding out. MsIntelligentBeauty and MsCLHottie. Both with banging bods, great faces and missing just one or two marbles.

BT

MsLatinaMILF, just bailed on me. She's starting a new relationship and feels guilty and really wants to do right. This came up suddenly and she's going to try and make it work.

So now locally I'm down to

MsLifeGuard (needs Dental work, meeting next week for 2nd date)

MsIntelligentBeauty (Beautiful, great body, needs more OJT in bedroom, emotionally fragile and monetarily unrealistic)

MsCLBeauty (Beautiful, Very sporadic and disappears for long periods of time)

MsOxyMoron (Dealing with family issues, supposed to meet soon, she's on BC now)

Meeting two POTs this week.

AA 9/9/9 / unknown 24 years old, great body in pictures, pretty face in pictures. Will probably cost me $800-1k per month for twice a week. We've talked 2 to 3 times a week.

Another POT, AA 22 6/8/9 / unknown 400-600 per month meeting once to twice a week.

[BigTigger]

I wanted to gather some thoughts from you all on the subject of long distance SD / SB arrangements. Up until recently, I've strictly kept my potential SB searches to the local area or within a 60-90 minute drive. But as I grow frustrated with my inability to find a new SB to fill the vacancy that my HCB left when she asked for a break, I'm starting to consider looking outside my area and have given some thought to contacting potentials that are farther away, with the idea of flying them in for the weekend.

So with that in mind, are there any experiences that the rest of you have had that you can share regarding flying in a SB? I myself haven't flown in years so I'm not sure of the loopholes that come with plane ticket purchases, but isn't it possible that if I bought the ticket for them, they could just turn around and cash it in and never fly out here? If that is the case, is it safer for me if they purchase the plane ticket, then I would reimburse them as part of the sugar? Any other thoughts / opinions / warnings any of you can offer on this topic? I'd appreciate any insight that would be offered!

This is another area I've had lots of experience. You don't have to necessarily follow my steps, but I can vouch that this has worked for me. Flying in SBs requires considerable more time investment and in some cases upfront money. However, the CPO can be really low once you start banging them for a weekend at a time instead of a few hours here or there.

-Spend lots of time texting, emailing and talking. You should talk with her or exchange emails a number of times daily and the intensity should go up as you get closer to the date. By the time you meet for the first time, you should feel like old friends.

-Promise them that once you are comfortable, you will see them at least twice a month.

-Before the first meeting, be very clear in your actions and words that her comfort level / security level is most important.

-Fly to them for the first meeting. Tell them that's a way to show you are serious and to keep her comfortable. If you fly first, you will never have to fly again.

-Also, never schedule the first meeting / flight until you are sure she's legit.

-Let her know that she's not expected to stay overnight when you come to visit. Going to the room and staying overnight are not the same. So make sure to get her to the room, but work your magic so it's her idea to cum to the room and stay overnight.

-Since it is a possible for things not quite going right, have a backup plan maybe a Nando 1 lined up who thinks you are cumming just to see her.

-When it's her turn to fly, if you are using Southwest. Buy the Southwest Gift cards. Give her the number and pin over the phone as she is online trying to get the right flight and time on her computer. If you are using another method, then more trust may be required. I'd use a prepaid MC / Visa and again, give the information over the phone as are you are booking.

-You are going to need a SB who's not in this solely for money. Someone who wants the excitement and travel, etc. This way, the cost of flight, hotel and activities will be factored into how she perceives the funds you give her.

-Give her some funds right after she arrives. Especially if she will have some free time between the time she sees you. That again eases her comfort. Weekend dates are the not the best ones to wait until she's about to leave.

-Have some fun dates setup for the trip and ask her for advice on what she might want to do.

-If you are getting the room, make sure to have some surprises waiting for her when she walks in. (Gifts, chocolate, clothing, flowers, etc.) I will often send her up to the room while I park the car, so she sees the gifts then when I walk in, it's this big 'ol hug and squeeze, etc.

-Get a room that has room service. Use a prepaid green dot or something like that for incidentals. That way you or her will not spend more than what's on the card. You can even give her the budget.

-Get a late Sunday flight and get a late checkout. I've had checkouts a late as 3pm.

-I've flown in over 10-12 women (not all sbs). Each time, it was a date on Fri night, then Tiggabounce most of Saturday and Sunday. Usually fancy date on Friday then simple date on Sat (movies, bowing).

-I had one picked up by a driving service at the airport and taken to her room, where I had gifts at the front desk waiting on her. It was only $60, but the impression was priceless. She even took pictures of the driver with her name on the sign and posted it on Facebook. I got some goodies that evening when I showed up, even before we went out to dinner. She literally attacked me for being so considerate and thoughtful. It was less than 3 minutes before she had the TiggaStick in her mouth working me over...wow...what a night!

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Feel free to add for those of you who have done this before.

BigTigg

[Revvo]

This was an interesting one. So I saved this cute little redhead on SDFORME into my favorites. And then I wait to send her an email when she is logged on. Knowing she will get the notification that I saved her as a favorite. Not more than a day later she sends me an email with her number asking for me to text her. She is very cute 22 YO MILF with a very young son. Comes from a good family and is a little far out for me. But she has red hair, slim, beautiful tits and I would give her a 8/9/7 so far. Rating will vary radically as I get closer to her.

To I text her to get into a little bantering and start some LOL stuff going and create a little chemistry. Responses were tepid at best. This goes on for a little while and I figured what the fuck I have way too many babies and POTs as it is. I am in the process of filtering and I am not going to kill myself over this one. But I said I to myself I will call her. Just to see how it goes. Now I am going on another one week trip so I cannot meet until I get back. But WTF I give it a shot. And she answers my call right away. A plus right there. And she is just as sweet as can be. Another big plus. She giggles a lot because of her discomfort of this process. She is a little southern cookie. With difficulty making ends meet. Does not want to move back into her parents house and confesses to really liking sex and ready to give this thing a go, plus again. We have a very nice talk and I can just feel her comfort level rising and her willingness going up with it also. I tell her that I do not want to force her to do anything that she does not want to do and that we can go slow if she likes. And I even tell her that if I feel that she is not totally into this I will be the one to back out.

I have found that this little detail is a big winner with the hot ones because they are not used to this. They are used to guys doing and saying anything to fuck them regardless. And these hot women know we are just willing to do this. But when a man does not do this it really peaks their interest and makes them much more willing to get busy. I also told her that I am big into communication and I do not like texting so much. She also was all on board with this and told me to call her anytime. So we are literally set for a M&G the morning that I come back and she is driving to me. I think this just shows that sometimes things are not as they seem and a little human to human contact can go a long way. I learned quite a bit from this interaction.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo