"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[F Scott]

Scott, thanks for your helpful posts. I have a couple questions:

Do you book the room under the baby's real last name on hotels dot com and then prepay it with a credit card? When you arrive don't you have to show your drivers license before they give you the key? How do they know the lady wants you in her room?

Sorry, I've been out of town and not near a computer, so am just getting around to reading all the excellent posts here! Lit, to answer your question, I print out the confirmation page, which has the reservation info, including the baby's name, and show that at check-in. I've never had anyone question my access to the room. When they ask for a name, I reply "It's under X", the baby's last name. Since the room is already paid for, they often don't ask for a license, just a credit card for incidentals. As I think about it now, I probably could use my sugar name when making the reservation on line as well, and now that I have a Green Dot card with that name attached as well, my tracks are further covered.

[BigTigger]

. Let her do all the repositioning. Let her to do most of the work. Just keep a steady rhythm. As she nears climax she may grab on tight and my force you more deeply into her. But make her be the one to do it. Only at the exact moment of orgasm should you thrust all the way in and just stay there. "

This works in Doggie too.

Just had my overnight with MsLatinaMILF. This time I turned the music up and had the TV a little louder, that helped with some of the noise. At some point one of the positions was too much for her. Eventually we had an extended cowgirl ride. I did some driving but for the most part I let her lead. I'd just lay for a while, move a little here and there. She had 3 orgasms right there on top. For the last one as she got closer I lifted my torso up and held it for about 10 20 seconds, sent her through the roof. All in all a very good time. Only $ per meeting.

2 more STL POTS have responded. Both of these were are two with the 9.5 bodies....oh my. Slim and very Athletic. Things are looking good!

Great Pic Bondo!

BigTigg

[Literal2]

IS another orgasm technique that can be totally in your girl's control. All you have to do is lay there and enjoy having her stroke your penis until she cums. My ATF grinds her clit on my pubic bone (are) and screams her brains out. I like watching her boobs flop around while I catch my breath from orgasm 1 and 2. LOL.

ATF seems to be pulling away. I am so sad but she seems to have a major bipolar disorder and in her down state she doesn't want to do anything. Damn! There is ALWAYS something wrong with these girls. I guess if they were completely normal they wouldn't be looking for love in all the wrong places.

My problem is I put all my eggs in one basket and when that basket develops holes I am loveless in Seattle. Hopefully her meds will kick in and I will get her back in gear.

Had another GPS in DC. Hot looking spinner student of the Asian Nation who bolted when I expected sex for her allowance. Really? Are there guys out there impotent enough or stupid enough to pay a girl significant bucks to escort her to the mall and buy her shit without any tit for the tat? Just asking.

My respectful guess is you are too nice a guy. Try multifucking maybe.

[Revvo]

HG,

Once again with the tips. Dude you got this down to a science.

I too have reduced my quota down to my two main squeezes. And a backup sweetie that I classify as a booty call girl. I love them all. But I am married so I do not use the L word with them. All of them seem to be really into me. And they never try to hit me up for money or anything.

Things are pretty good right now.

[Graham111]

This one passed through my net from July to October last year. Told me at the M&G she had no limits. Sort of true but she got pretty worn out after 3 hours of non-stop action. True 3 holer, would go back and forth in any combination with ease. Discussed going to an swinger club but never made it. I am in town only during the week and work days so evenings are dinner then desert. No time for clubbing around. But flaky, cancelled half the time and kept wanting me to take her to a strip club. Guess she had a thing for girls but so do I. $$ an evening and pleasant company. Eventually got side tracked and she stopped responding. Could go back but I moved on to younger stuff. She is early 30s. Which will be the subject of my next post. Got her in first few days on SA and she promptly cancelled her post so no idea if she has another outlet but never seen her on the others. SD4M, name your price. Where the same "gang" seem to come up. Great body. Butt was getting big but nice and tight. Just my kind

[Literal2]

I am finding I really want to fuck my Motor City baby (7+, very wet girl) again. Once is not enough. The problem is we are so goddam sexually compatible someone is liable to get emotionally tangled! Not me I hope! Best cure for me is to fuck her a few more times to get her out of my system.

I am modifying the prescribed cure: I'll fuck her a few more times AND I'll fuck a few other sugarbabes to be sure to get Motor City out of my system. That should do it.

[Literal2]

This is best used after she has had a couple of orgasms already. ***I would rather be in a hundred superficial relationships than have to endure the pain of some female giving me shit for any reason. And SB's that want to dish that shit out get booted to the curb before they can say "but what about my cel phone bill?"

Thanks for the tip and AMEN re enough with the female bs, there are too many alternatives.

Ms Young Mama Tarheel Tragedy has just allowed that we may indeed expand the m&g tomorrow to include intimacy as she has her utilities about to be cut off and needs some assistance. Ah this is a terrible life, all this young pussy. I better shut up and wait to see whether she is actually as hot as her pix and does indeed welcome Mr Johnson lovingly before I do any more talking about it. However right now she's got me worked up.

[Literal2]

At that point, she has made a decision on something that she thinks is going to be in her best interest. If she is comfortable with that decision, then I would be okay with helping her meet her needs, while she helps me with mine (and these are needs, both physical and psychological). I assume that she is going to find someone, whether its me or someone else. A moralist would argue that I should take the high road and not use "somebody's going to to do it" as an excuse, but I think that is disingenuous. At a basic level everything everybody does is motivated by self interest, she is acting in hers and I mine, and if those interests intersect in the bedroom, that's great. I also know that I am going to treat her with kindness and respect (well, as much respect as one can muster while engaged in debauchery) and maybe not everyone else will. Bottom line if she is a willing and hopefully enjoying participant, I'm not concerned with her motivation. If she acts as though the choice she is making is a horrible burden, then I won't do it.

Yeah, that's right. Thanks.

[Literal2]

I think your code of "do no harm" is not primitive at all and is a good yardstick to go by.

OK, I'm dropping my deeper moral inquiry. I'm just going to fuck them. Thanks for helping me think through this dilemma.

[FredMoore]

IS another orgasm technique that can be totally in your girl's control. All you have to do is lay there and enjoy having her stroke your penis until she cums. My ATF grinds her clit on my pubic bone (are) and screams her brains out. I like watching her boobs flop around while I catch my breath from orgasm 1 and 2. LOL.

ATF seems to be pulling away. I am so sad but she seems to have a major bipolar disorder and in her down state she doesn't want to do anything. Damn! There is ALWAYS something wrong with these girls. I guess if they were completely normal they wouldn't be looking for love in all the wrong places.

My problem is I put all my eggs in one basket and when that basket develops holes I am loveless in Seattle. Hopefully her meds will kick in and I will get her back in gear.

Had another GPS in DC. Hot looking spinner student of the Asian Nation who bolted when I expected sex for her allowance. Really? Are there guys out there impotent enough or stupid enough to pay a girl significant bucks to escort her to the mall and buy her shit without any tit for the tat? Just asking.

[PartyTimeGuy]

All this posting is taking away from my work. LOL. But the ROI on the intel is worth it.

1. We should all be so lucky. But certainly a nice house, car and a well maintained appearance don't hurt.

2. I have found this to be very important and although many times required (to get optimal sexual performance) , somewhat disingenuous on my part, most of but not all of the time.

3. I rarely kiss and tell in detail. And I don't know if this is the thread to do that. But I am going to give away one sex trick. It may or may not work for you. But when it does, it's like hitting a grand slam. And guaranteed to impress. And if you date girls that think with their pussy it's a sure way to hook them for some length of time. Everyone knows or believes that direct clitoral stimulation will usually satisfy the most effectively and easily.

But try the opposite approach. This works best in mish. The idea is to postion yourself so there is absolutely no physical contact between you and your partner except your dick in her pussy. Do not touch her at all with your hands, arms, legs or stomach. Do not thrust in all the way, do not make any direct contact with her clit. Only you sliding in and out of her in the smoothest possible position. She will naturally flow with this position. After a couple of minutes tell her to just think of you as her personal sex toy. She will close her eyes. Let her dictate the rhythm. As she gets closer to orgasm she may grab on to you. I repeat. Do not touch her. Let her do all the repositioning. Let her to do most of the work. Just keep a steady rhythm. As she nears climax she may grab on tight and my force you more deeply into her. But make her be the one to do it. Only at the exact moment of orgasm should you thrust all the way in and just stay there. At which point you may or may not want to hold her or kiss her. Depending on how insistent she is.

This is best used after she has had a couple of orgasms already. Like I said before this will not work on every woman, but when it does she will consider you in the highest sexual regard. You have now literally controlled her with your dick and dick alone. This embeds a powerful message to her brain and body. As bullet points 1 and 2 may not be possible or take time to establish. The best way to quickly secure the bond with the SB is going to be # 3 with a little sugar on top.

Another reason this technique works is that a primary reason for a womans failure to orgasm easily and repeatedly is (sometimes) distraction of any kind. This allows her to focus on one thing and one thing only.

Overall I have come to see sugar dating as just, above average looking women, dating above average spending men. Remember, it's never really about how much money, time, understanding or dick you have, but only about how much you are willing to give. My primary goal (and maybe yours too) is to have the best sex of my life. I like all the gf stuff too. But when I see a movie and couples are fighting, I just cringe. I am NEVER going back to anything like that. I would rather be in a hundred superficial relationships than have to endure the pain of some female giving me shit for any reason. And SB's that want to dish that shit out get booted to the curb before they can say "but what about my cel phone bill?"

I LOVE your sex trick. You are one great contributor here, a lot of value added.

[HollywoodGuy]

1. Through the Woman's Brain. Most effective route but takes the highest order of game by the seducer. Rock Stars and Presidents are usually in this category, exuding charisma, wealth and power, the baby (indeed nearly every woman) wants to fuck them even before she meets them. If she succeeds, she is his emotionally and her labia will swell for him as long as he wants her.

2. Through the Woman's Heart. Second most effective route and second most skill intensive. The seducer convinces the baby she is special to him, words of love often come into play, a major skill required is the ability to project sincerity (a skill I lack). Sex is intense as long as the emotion lasts.

3. Through the Woman's Clitoris. Least predictable route and lowest order of seducer (this is where I am). Mechanical skill required is minimal, requiring only that seducer deliver intense sexual pleasure to the woman, mostly involving exercise of sole organ in either gender dedicated exclusively to eroticism. If pleasure is delivered repeatedly, the woman's emotions inevitably attach to the seducer without additional effort or accomplishment on his part. However, the seducer usually loses interest as the baby's attachment grows, leading to the risk of confrontation and unpleasantness.

All this posting is taking away from my work. LOL. But the ROI on the intel is worth it.

1. We should all be so lucky. But certainly a nice house, car and a well maintained appearance don't hurt.

2. I have found this to be very important and although many times required (to get optimal sexual performance) , somewhat disingenuous on my part, most of but not all of the time.

3. I rarely kiss and tell in detail. And I don't know if this is the thread to do that. But I am going to give away one sex trick. It may or may not work for you. But when it does, it's like hitting a grand slam. And guaranteed to impress. And if you date girls that think with their pussy it's a sure way to hook them for some length of time. Everyone knows or believes that direct clitoral stimulation will usually satisfy the most effectively and easily.

But try the opposite approach. This works best in mish. The idea is to postion yourself so there is absolutely no physical contact between you and your partner except your dick in her pussy. Do not touch her at all with your hands, arms, legs or stomach. Do not thrust in all the way, do not make any direct contact with her clit. Only you sliding in and out of her in the smoothest possible position. She will naturally flow with this position. After a couple of minutes tell her to just think of you as her personal sex toy. She will close her eyes. Let her dictate the rhythm. As she gets closer to orgasm she may grab on to you. I repeat. Do not touch her. Let her do all the repositioning. Let her to do most of the work. Just keep a steady rhythm. As she nears climax she may grab on tight and my force you more deeply into her. But make her be the one to do it. Only at the exact moment of orgasm should you thrust all the way in and just stay there. At which point you may or may not want to hold her or kiss her. Depending on how insistent she is.

This is best used after she has had a couple of orgasms already. Like I said before this will not work on every woman, but when it does she will consider you in the highest sexual regard. You have now literally controlled her with your dick and dick alone. This embeds a powerful message to her brain and body. As bullet points 1 and 2 may not be possible or take time to establish. The best way to quickly secure the bond with the SB is going to be # 3 with a little sugar on top.

Another reason this technique works is that a primary reason for a womans failure to orgasm easily and repeatedly is (sometimes) distraction of any kind. This allows her to focus on one thing and one thing only.

Overall I have come to see sugar dating as just, above average looking women, dating above average spending men. Remember, it's never really about how much money, time, understanding or dick you have, but only about how much you are willing to give. My primary goal (and maybe yours too) is to have the best sex of my life. I like all the gf stuff too. But when I see a movie and couples are fighting, I just cringe. I am NEVER going back to anything like that. I would rather be in a hundred superficial relationships than have to endure the pain of some female giving me shit for any reason. And SB's that want to dish that shit out get booted to the curb before they can say "but what about my cel phone bill?"

[Dsprdo]

Since you are considering dropping her anyway. Just remind her of the link between FC and Money. LOL. You can be subtle."You know if our relationship were a little further along, I could be more comfortable helping with those bills". At least since you were considering letting her go, you have nothing to lose. I had to do this with one of mine, even gave her some other hints of things she needed to do and she got on board.

BT.

I did just that. She told me that she has a three date rule, and she is trying to get to the third date. I think I'm going to give her that much time and then either close the deal or not.

Relative to the "moral dilemma" post, a couple of hours after I gave her this little push, I texted her again and apologized for pressuring her, and told her I wanted her to be comfortable (which is true, its no fun to fuck someone who is not into it). I explained that I was just very much into her. She thanked me and told me she didn't feel pressured. So, message sent, received and we've rescheduled dinner for this week.

[Dsprdo]

I have just about heard it all. When anyone you know has an inkling you have spare cash they will put the arm on you for any reason whatsoever. SBs are no exception. I have had requests to pay tuition for the semester, for a move out of an abusive situation, hospital bills for mother / father / son / daughter / brother / sister and even to pay for an abortion because the bf knocked her up (at least she didn't try extorting me for that). There is an absolutely endless demand for charity out there. I am not a bad person but my piggy bank is also not bottomless. I think your code of "do no harm" is not primitive at all and is a good yardstick to go by.

At that point, she has made a decision on something that she thinks is going to be in her best interest. If she is comfortable with that decision, then I would be okay with helping her meet her needs, while she helps me with mine (and these are needs, both physical and psychological). I assume that she is going to find someone, whether its me or someone else. A moralist would argue that I should take the high road and not use "somebody's going to to do it" as an excuse, but I think that is disingenuous. At a basic level everything everybody does is motivated by self interest, she is acting in hers and I mine, and if those interests intersect in the bedroom, that's great. I also know that I am going to treat her with kindness and respect (well, as much respect as one can muster while engaged in debauchery) and maybe not everyone else will. Bottom line if she is a willing and hopefully enjoying participant, I'm not concerned with her motivation. If she acts as though the choice she is making is a horrible burden, then I won't do it.

[PartyTimeGuy]

So with the morning texts / emails from the sbs my 21 yo NC cheerleader tells me she's really a couple years older and in tragic circumstances. She says she has a daughter with a deformity, absolutely no income, no folks to help her out. She wants to meet. Her pix are demure but if she's anything like them she is a very cute girl with lovely large breasts. No sign she's a dancer but she could be and I won't be surprised.

So the story is she's broke broke broke and extremely needy. We've agreed to an m&g later in the week.

In a way, if she is or was a stripper and the tale of the sick daughter is just BS, I'd be relieved. Then she's just scamming for sugar and I'll likely oblige so Mr Johnson can poke her cervix for a while.

But what if she's legit? What if she's a really nice young momma trying to take care of a sick kid who in desperation will offer her body to a much older man just so she'll have food for herself and her child?

Have any of you guys developed a code of morality that applies to hard luck cases like this if they are legit? My code so far has been pretty primitive, just "do no harm."

I have just about heard it all. When anyone you know has an inkling you have spare cash they will put the arm on you for any reason whatsoever. SBs are no exception. I have had requests to pay tuition for the semester, for a move out of an abusive situation, hospital bills for mother / father / son / daughter / brother / sister and even to pay for an abortion because the bf knocked her up (at least she didn't try extorting me for that). There is an absolutely endless demand for charity out there. I am not a bad person but my piggy bank is also not bottomless. I think your code of "do no harm" is not primitive at all and is a good yardstick to go by.