"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Dsprdo** · 05-28-13 14:36

Originally Posted by PartyTimeGuy [View Original Post]

I have just about heard it all. When anyone you know has an inkling you have spare cash they will put the arm on you for any reason whatsoever. SBs are no exception. I have had requests to pay tuition for the semester, for a move out of an abusive situation, hospital bills for mother / father / son / daughter / brother / sister and even to pay for an abortion because the bf knocked her up (at least she didn't try extorting me for that). There is an absolutely endless demand for charity out there. I am not a bad person but my piggy bank is also not bottomless. I think your code of "do no harm" is not primitive at all and is a good yardstick to go by.

At that point, she has made a decision on something that she thinks is going to be in her best interest. If she is comfortable with that decision, then I would be okay with helping her meet her needs, while she helps me with mine (and these are needs, both physical and psychological). I assume that she is going to find someone, whether its me or someone else. A moralist would argue that I should take the high road and not use "somebody's going to to do it" as an excuse, but I think that is disingenuous. At a basic level everything everybody does is motivated by self interest, she is acting in hers and I mine, and if those interests intersect in the bedroom, that's great. I also know that I am going to treat her with kindness and respect (well, as much respect as one can muster while engaged in debauchery) and maybe not everyone else will. Bottom line if she is a willing and hopefully enjoying participant, I'm not concerned with her motivation. If she acts as though the choice she is making is a horrible burden, then I won't do it.

**PartyTimeGuy** · 05-28-13 13:57

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

So with the morning texts / emails from the sbs my 21 yo NC cheerleader tells me she's really a couple years older and in tragic circumstances. She says she has a daughter with a deformity, absolutely no income, no folks to help her out. She wants to meet. Her pix are demure but if she's anything like them she is a very cute girl with lovely large breasts. No sign she's a dancer but she could be and I won't be surprised.

So the story is she's broke broke broke and extremely needy. We've agreed to an m&g later in the week.

In a way, if she is or was a stripper and the tale of the sick daughter is just BS, I'd be relieved. Then she's just scamming for sugar and I'll likely oblige so Mr Johnson can poke her cervix for a while.

But what if she's legit? What if she's a really nice young momma trying to take care of a sick kid who in desperation will offer her body to a much older man just so she'll have food for herself and her child?

Have any of you guys developed a code of morality that applies to hard luck cases like this if they are legit? My code so far has been pretty primitive, just "do no harm."

I have just about heard it all. When anyone you know has an inkling you have spare cash they will put the arm on you for any reason whatsoever. SBs are no exception. I have had requests to pay tuition for the semester, for a move out of an abusive situation, hospital bills for mother / father / son / daughter / brother / sister and even to pay for an abortion because the bf knocked her up (at least she didn't try extorting me for that). There is an absolutely endless demand for charity out there. I am not a bad person but my piggy bank is also not bottomless. I think your code of "do no harm" is not primitive at all and is a good yardstick to go by.

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-28-13 12:42

Originally Posted by Pats Fan1 [View Original Post]

I don't know if any of you have done this before. I think someone of here mentioned it before, but I can't remember who? I put up a false young female profile on SD4ME. I did it to kind of check out the competition and to learn from their profiles and approaches. It has definitely helped out. I feel even more confident than I did before. 95% of these guys have zero game at all. It is also amazing how many emails have been pouring in from guys who claim (on their profile) to make 300k+ per year that haven't paud the monthly subscription so the potential SB can't even read their email much less respond to them.

I have helped a few girls by creating their profile and then having them give me their UN and PW. Very informative.

**Literal2** · 05-28-13 12:11

Nice pix PTG. Cute pose too.

**BigTigger** · 05-28-13 11:24

Originally Posted by PartyTimeGuy [View Original Post]

The Chinese were right. A Picture IS worth a thousand words. Here's one of my latest, a hot 19 YO spinner SB. She actually wouldn't mind her pics being identifiable on the internet. She aspires to be a porn star. Given my experience with her I would have to say she has a good shot at it. She is cute, petite, tight, photogenic and can suck and fuck with enthusiastic fun and vigor. That's a lot of value for a $ donation.

Very Nice. Luv dem hips!

**PartyTimeGuy** · 05-28-13 11:22

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

It is good to see more pics on the board. I understand why we don't post more and I always worry a little with each one that I post. There are random jerks lurking on every thread, LOL. None the less, I enjoy seeing the pics that go with the stories. I am glad we can share, keep the woman's identity hidden and still gawk at some great photos.

BigTigg

The Chinese were right. A Picture IS worth a thousand words. Here's two of my latest, a hot 19 YO spinner SB. She actually wouldn't mind her pics being identifiable on the internet. She aspires to be a porn star. Given my experience with her I would have to say she has a good shot at it. She is cute, petite, tight, photogenic and can suck and fuck with enthusiastic fun and vigor. That's a lot of value for a $ donation.

**Literal2** · 05-28-13 08:16

Good luck in STL BT.

Hollywood, great pic. Someday post more about the special aroma business as I'm curious.

I am finding I really want to fuck my Motor City baby (7+, very wet girl) again. Once is not enough. The problem is we are so goddam sexually compatible someone is liable to get emotionally tangled! Not me I hope! Best cure for me is to fuck her a few more times to get her out of my system. However, there is a downside to this. As I am getting her out of my system, it is likely she will become attached emotionally. This is because there are three major routes to a woman's affections. They happen to correspond to the three main categories of seducers.

1. Through the Woman's Brain. Most effective route but takes the highest order of game by the seducer. Rock Stars and Presidents are usually in this category, exuding charisma, wealth and power, the baby (indeed nearly every woman) wants to fuck them even before she meets them. If she succeeds, she is his emotionally and her labia will swell for him as long as he wants her.

2. Through the Woman's Heart. Second most effective route and second most skill intensive. The seducer convinces the baby she is special to him, words of love often come into play, a major skill required is the ability to project sincerity (a skill I lack). Sex is intense as long as the emotion lasts.

3. Through the Woman's Clitoris. Least predictable route and lowest order of seducer (this is where I am). Mechanical skill required is minimal, requiring only that seducer deliver intense sexual pleasure to the woman, mostly involving exercise of sole organ in either gender dedicated exclusively to eroticism. If pleasure is delivered repeatedly, the woman's emotions inevitably attach to the seducer without additional effort or accomplishment on his part. However, the seducer usually loses interest as the baby's attachment grows, leading to the risk of confrontation and unpleasantness.

Clearly the categories can intermingle.

The girl I had to postpone last week so I could fuck Motor City got her little sugar lump in the mail and now wants to meet this week. Her face is a 6, but I hope her body is as taut as it looks. Not sure if I'll have time for her, as I am leaving the area soon, but she is definitely ready to open her pussy for Literal.

The young NC Momma of tragic circumstances: I'm planning m&g tomorrow. I think I'll listen sympathetically and tell her I can help some but can't take care of everything and if she would like to get an example of the help I can offer, why don't we step across the street to my hotel room? If she does, I will fuck her silly and then leave town. If she doesn't, I haven't lost anything but a little time. After a week or two of noncommital texts she is now calling me endearments so I think her mind has accepted she will spread her legs and allow me vaginal penetration if she finds me at all attractive. It's a big age gap though so I'm skeptical.

**Pats Fan1** · 05-28-13 07:46

First of all, it's been a while since I posted but I read here everyday. There have been some nice pics up here in the last couple of weeks. Congrats to all of you! Most of debate of course revolves around emotional depth and involvement in our activities with these girls / women.

I don't know if any of you have done this before. I think someone of here mentioned it before, but I can't remember who? I put up a false young female profile on SD4ME. I did it to kind of check out the competition and to learn from their profiles and approaches. It has definitely helped out. I feel even more confident than I did before. 95% of these guys have zero game at all. It is also amazing how many emails have been pouring in from guys who claim (on their profile) to make 300k+ per year that haven't paud the monthly subscription so the potential SB can't even read their email much less respond to them.

It was bound to happen. I had two steady SB's for a stretch of 3 months. It was good and right in my budget. One graduated a couple of weeks ago and moved away. It was bitter sweet to see her go. We had some good times and she's a good kid. I hope she is happy in life! I'm left with one SB who is a 23 yr old blond HCB. I see her 2-3x per month at $125. She is fun in the sack but more of a semi-pro. It's pretty strictly almost business like. She is accommodating to my schedule and good in the sack. But there is very little inter personal interaction between our meetings. So I've been looking for another SB. It was bound to happen. I'm out to a M&G lunch with a pot SB. She is 28, very pretty but a little overweight. Her profile and pics clearly show that. So we are eating lunch a sweet old lady in her late 70's or early 80's comes up to the table and says."I know you you're (real first and last name) I'm good friends with your mother (her real name). How are you doing?" I was slightly taken a back. But I replied cordially and was charming and polite. We went on with our lunch. This restaurant was probably about a 30 minute drive from where I grew up. So much for deep cover! Anybody else have a similar story?

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-28-13 04:30

Broke up with the "little princess" yesterday (for the time being) and went straight to my bucket list. Dinner and a movie with a 21 y o HCG. Didn't talk money. Told her to come visit me at work. And I work alone at home. She is thicker than I am used to (mostly muscle 5'6" 140) but had a good personality. We flirted and kissed a little. Met her on SD4ME of course. Might be able to just civi date her. Either way its the same. Hand them the cash or go out and spend it. Tonites damage 40 dolllars for her end. I almost hate to just bang her once, but maybe I'll like her. I like any girl that can drive to my house with no time limits.

**BigTigger** · 05-27-13 23:31

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

Wow Tigger, nice roundup and you are bringing one in with you also.

I just did a trip out to the west coast and flew my ATF out to me and we had a blast. I forgot how many times we fucked but I was shooting air by the end.

Good luck,

Revvo

Thanks Revvo.

Add 1 more:

MsCutie 26 AA (9 / unknown / unknown / unknown)
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Preliminary Stats
Sent out 19 emails
7 Have not read the emails
12 Have read the emails
7 Have responded favorably
5 Have not responded at all.

The two with the lowest rankings responded first! Imagine that!

**Revvo** · 05-27-13 22:54

Wow Tigger, nice roundup and you are bringing one in with you also.

I just did a trip out to the west coast and flew my ATF out to me and we had a blast. I forgot how many times we fucked but I was shooting air by the end.

Good luck,

Revvo

**BigTigger** · 05-27-13 22:35

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

On my way to STL for a week in June. I have two 6s lined up after my initial blast of about 20 emails. Both are young and cute with a little extra weight. One has a bodacious butt! The other huge boobs, either way I cannot go wrong.

Anyone in the area have any suggestions, I have used SA exclusively.

BigTigg

Wow, STL is hopping! Just got off the phone chatting with a white 33 year old with a nice body. She's lively, laughs a lot, tells jokes, flirty, horny, taller than me without heels (I like them tall) and is all excited about some dashing man to come in from the east coast that she can show around and he can screw her brains out. I may have to go back to STL!

As of now, I'm chatting with 6 POTs from SA.

(face / body / personality / skills)

BigButt 20 AA (6/6/unknown / unknown)

BigBoobs 25 White (6/6/7 / unknown). Agreed to a date.

TallLively 33 White (8/8. 5/9/unknown). Agreed to a date and Tiggabounce.

HotWaitress 23 White (9/8/7 / unknown). Agreed to a date.

BikiniBabe 22 AA(7. 5/9. 5 / unknown / unknown)

STLHOttie 20 AA (9//9/unknown/unknown)

I'm flying in one of my bootycall friends for the first part of the week. She's going to drain me twice a day from Sun-Wed. So I'm hoping to have two out of this team that I can see the other 4 nights. Wed & Fri or Thurs & Sat.

BigTigg

**BigTigger** · 05-27-13 20:31

Since you are considering dropping her anyway. Just remind her of the link between FC and Money. LOL. You can be subtle."You know if our relationship were a little further along, I could be more comfortable helping with those bills". At least since you were considering letting her go, you have nothing to lose. I had to do this with one of mine, even gave her some other hints of things she needed to do and she got on board.

BT.

Originally Posted by Dsprdo [View Original Post]

My tattooed blond baby continues to charm me, but also keeps bringing up the bills she is behind on, while at the same time telling me she's not ready for a physical relationship. I canceled dinner plans with her last night, and am considering cutting her loose, but as I write this she is texting me and I feel the pull.

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-27-13 18:23

Originally Posted by Dsprdo [View Original Post]

Funny you should mention that. During our texting, she asked if I was snipped. When I responded that I am not, she replied with "that's ok, I have an IUD". While I would love to experience some BB slipping and sliding, there's no way I'm signing up for the 18 year installment plan for pussy (again)!

Too many close calls forced me to get that operation. Best move I ever made.

**Dsprdo** · 05-27-13 16:08

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

5. Sounds like a UTR girl. Consider her a booty call. Or maybe just another desperate young single mom over her head. Poor girl, don't be the next baby daddy on her list.

Funny you should mention that. During our texting, she asked if I was snipped. When I responded that I am not, she replied with "that's ok, I have an IUD". While I would love to experience some BB slipping and sliding, there's no way I'm signing up for the 18 year installment plan for pussy (again)!