"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Dog Rice** · 05-15-13 00:12

Shame to me comparing to you, HG. I am 38 and in good shape (flat stomach, muscle). Still getting shit.

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

I don't know your age. But as far as I can tell at 59 I am attracting more girls than ever. And its not the dollars, because I got less of them than before. Way less. Confidence is a huge factor. I lost 20 lbs, started working out and got a better haircut. It works

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-15-13 00:07

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

SBs are attracted 1st to the best looking guys in their proper designated age group who have the most intriguing profile. We do the same thing with them except we men are more equal opportunity carousers. Have pussy will travel.

So Dog Rice, the difference between you and Hollywood for example, might be appearance or profile writing style. There's nothing you can do about your looks other than present your visage in the best possible light. (I'm nor saying you aren't dashing and debonaire, but it's presentation that counts.

For me personally I know my age is a huge limiting factor and accept it. Usually if I can get to the meet I can overwhelm her with my $incerity.

I don't know your age. But as far as I can tell at 59 I am attracting more girls than ever. And its not the dollars, because I got less of them than before. Way less. Confidence is a huge factor. I lost 20 lbs, started working out and got a better haircut. It works

**Dog Rice** · 05-14-13 23:22

Can't agree more about presentation. Also, my status, married, does reduce chances. Search continues.

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

SBs are attracted 1st to the best looking guys in their proper designated age group who have the most intriguing profile. We do the same thing with them except we men are more equal opportunity carousers. Have pussy will travel.

So Dog Rice, the difference between you and Hollywood for example, might be appearance or profile writing style. There's nothing you can do about your looks other than present your visage in the best possible light. (I'm nor saying you aren't dashing and debonaire, but it's presentation that counts.

For me personally I know my age is a huge limiting factor and accept it. Usually if I can get to the meet I can overwhelm her with my $incerity.

**FredMoore** · 05-14-13 15:14

SBs are attracted 1st to the best looking guys in their proper designated age group who have the most intriguing profile. We do the same thing with them except we men are more equal opportunity carousers. Have pussy will travel.

So Dog Rice, the difference between you and Hollywood for example, might be appearance or profile writing style. There's nothing you can do about your looks other than present your visage in the best possible light. (I'm nor saying you aren't dashing and debonaire, but it's presentation that counts.

For me personally I know my age is a huge limiting factor and accept it. Usually if I can get to the meet I can overwhelm her with my $incerity.

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-14-13 11:33

Originally Posted by Dog Rice [View Original Post]

After idle for several months, I signed up for SDFM again. After 2 days, all I got are either GPS or naive gal asking to hang out but with $$$ per date. San Diego is definitely not a good playground for our sugar daddies (after comparing others' experience in other cities such as LA, LV, Richmond)

One noticeable GPS (32 yrs old white with 6 face and 6 body) gave me 10+ email lecture after I offered $ per date. Kept telling me that $$$$$ per sexual encounter is the norm, blah blah. Definitely not a good bowl in San Diego.

I dis-agree. I do not know your type. But I have messaged lots of girls there when I had to go visit my mom. No problems. Less girls. But good ones. Pm for more details

**Dog Rice** · 05-14-13 09:27

After idle for several months, I signed up for SDFM again. After 2 days, all I got are either GPS or naive gal asking to hang out but with $$$ per date. San Diego is definitely not a good playground for our sugar daddies (after comparing others' experience in other cities such as LA, LV, Richmond)

One noticeable GPS (32 yrs old white with 6 face and 6 body) gave me 10+ email lecture after I offered $ per date. Kept telling me that $$$$$ per sexual encounter is the norm, blah blah. Definitely not a good bowl in San Diego.

**PartyTimeGuy** · 05-14-13 09:08

This SB is 20. Likes to dress-up for me. That part is great but the overall attitude is not as good as it could be. Sucking and fucking is ok but it usually seems like she is putting on a big act. That is not always so bad. It's like doing an actress. But on a regular basis it gets old. I would prefer a SB who is actually enjoying herself. This one used to be happy with $ but is getting greedy. If she was absolutely terrific that might be fine but this one is so-so. Time to think about replacing her.

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-13-13 16:57

Face / body / attitude / skills.

I am now in the process of just solidifying my best girls by giving them all my time.

1. Wifey. Hot MILF (46) AA . 8/9/10/10+. Seeing her once a week. She claims that starting on the first there will be no more allowance and I can just buy her the occasional gift with no expectations. Been seeing her for 18 months. Will spend about $$$$ a month on her. Best sex of my life bar none.

2. New Girlfriend (19) AA . 10/10/10/8. The Little Princess. Helping her launch her modeling career. She now stays here every weekend and comes over at least one weekday as well. Been seeing her for about 10 weeks. Spending about 1k a month on her. Could keep my face buried between her legs forever.

3. The Friend (22) Asian . 8/8/10+/9. My Live In. We hook up at least once a week. She as been living here for about 6 months now. She is costing me nothing but free rent at this point. So lucky to have a real friend like her.

4. The Stalker (26) 9/7/6/? White . Civi girl I met on SD4ME. Stopped spending money on her. She visits me once a week. No sex at this time. Says she is going to marry me. Spoiled rich girl with a quirky personality.

I am still searching on SD4ME but only came across one or 2 interesting profiles in the last 6 weeks. No urgency to date as I am fully booked in the FC if I want, with girls 1, 2 and 3. I will have done all 3 in the last 36 hours by tonite. I have one other random girl but she has been gone for over a month on vacation.

**FredMoore** · 05-13-13 12:04

Re: SDFM I woke up to read my "new babies " report for this week sent by SDFM in my 100 mile search area. There are 22 new SBs mostly 18 to 28 and ALL of them put 35 or under as their target SD goal.

So gents over 40 and certainly over 50 should not feel unattractive when rejected by a SB. These youngsters prefer a guy closer to their own age. Obviously many of us have success with the young ones but if you are closer to that 30 to 40 your options will be greater.

**PartyTimeGuy** · 05-13-13 09:20

Overview: 6 SBs currently in the stable; 5 Pots.

My nerdy librarian. She is 19, studious, curious and sweet. Small tit spinner with a great bubble butt. Underneath that cute innocent face lie kinky desires to be tied up and spanked. Most girls her age that I have encountered cum once and done or at most a few times. This one cums endlessly, screaming the whole time. I always have to get a hotel room as far removed as possible from everyone for fear that all the noise attracts too much attention. Most cuties like her have small mouths and have difficulty with DT. Not this one. She swallows me whole to my balls. $ a visit keeps this one very happy because she is a shopper who loves sex. Life IS good my brothers.

**Revvo** · 05-12-13 20:59

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

REVVO_OLD_ATF: I don't know what to call this one. If you have followed my posts you know that I had what I considered the perfect ATF 10/9/10 the only one I had ever had on retainer.

Not sure of your rating #'s. Is it face / body / attitude or face / body / skills?

I have been referring to face / body / attitude, skills I consider a component of attitude. Good attitude almost always translate into at least better skills.

Revvo

**FredMoore** · 05-12-13 19:07

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

I'll give an status update later. But I just wanted to comment on my recent experience with SA and SD4M.

I think I'm done with SA for now. I'm gong to stick with SD4M and maybe give SDaddie a try again.

Anybody else notice a similar experience with SA?

In my central Va area SA is head and shoulders above SDFM. There is lots of new talent every week on SA and absolutely none on SDFM. In fact there are the same old tired ass looking girls. Even though the best girl EVER for me came off SDFM that is it. Plus the girls there seem to want young Daddies. In fact, they want sugar brothers. My current ATF came from SA and I am working her hard solo.

Two "ongoing" Pots Are probably just that. Ongoing never to get there. I'm not even going to mention them anymore unless they surface.

I have an AA HCG / young mother who I can see this week but I'm not sure about trying her. She is a little too much me me me."what are you going to give me Daddy? I said a BIG surprise hahaha. She says "what, what? Tell me " I don't have the heart to tell her how big her surprise is going to be. I don't want to spend the money on a notel but I'm afraid to let her see where I live. So I'll probably spend more to see my ATF twice and call it a week.

**John G Smith** · 05-12-13 04:21

I'll give an status update later. But I just wanted to comment on my recent experience with SA and SD4M.

A year ago, I was big on SA. It was my primary tool for acquiring SBs. I got a good number of responses both from girls replying to my opening letter and from girls browsing my profile. The girls were pretty high quality and had a high percentage of real SBs. SD4M on the other hand, a year ago was littered with pros, UTRs, Nigerian scams, and Nando1s. Yes there were some decent girls, but you had to roll around in the pig trough to find them.

But the past 4 months I also had a billing error with SD4M where I basically got 3 free months after using a free month trial as a returning member. In that time, the response rate was excellent. There's still the UTRs, Pros, and scams, but there also seems to be A LOT more legit SBs on there now. It almost seems like they have a substantially higher ratio of girls to SDs on SD4M and they did a new marketing plan to attract more "regular" girls to join the site. All my current SBs are from SD4M. A year ago, zero were from SD4M.

Finally my free SD4M memberships expired, so last week I decided to sign up for SA just for fun to see what I could catch. Wow have things changed. The response rate is FAR less than what it was a year ago. The only messages I get from girls browsing my profile are European girls sending me winks. The response rate from my opening letter is like 10-20%, which tend to fizzle out quickly. Before I was getting a 60-70% response rate with maybe half of those leading to legitimate opportunities. Even the profiles of the girls themselves seem less interesting and stale. I haven't been really active on SA for about 6-7 months, yet I'm still seeing many of the same faces (and I live in a major city). Yes there are some new girls but I was expecting more. And of course you have more and more girls putting they expect to get 3-10k allowance per month. Some girls can be talked down but it's yet another hoop to jump through.

I think I'm done with SA for now. I'm gong to stick with SD4M and maybe give SDaddie a try again.

Anybody else notice a similar experience with SA?

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-11-13 22:33

REVVO_OLD_ATF: I don't know what to call this one. If you have followed my posts you know that I had what I considered the perfect ATF 10/9/10 the only one I had ever had on retainer.

Not sure of your rating #'s. Is it face / body / attitude or face / body / skills?

**PartyTimeGuy** · 05-11-13 14:57

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Thick girls try harder, but spinners keep me harder.

Ten years ago I would have agreed with you totally. The older I get the more I tend to most prefer oral. Not that fucking a spinner isn't fun but thick girls most certainly do try harder especially when sucking and most of them can go balls deep. They are also much easier SBs to keep happy.