"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

(guilty) Thou shalt not pursue those desperate enough to threaten you.

(always do this as much as possible) Thou shalt not meet a potential SB without doing your upfront research on her. Facebook, twitter, email, tin eye, google image search. Anything you can use to confirm she is who she says.

(I have a phone just for the girls) Thou shalt not use a personal or corporate cell phone. Get a throwaway phone or Google Voice.

(I always use a disposable email address) Thou shalt not use your personal email address. Create an email address used strictly for SB's. I recommend Gmail or Hushmail as they make it harder to trace your IP address. Not foolproof at all, but beyond the capability of most SB's.

(guilty) Thou shalt not use your home or business for meetings.

(not guilty) Thou shalt not provide sugar before meeting.

(not guilty) Thou shalt not leave your wallet unattended with a SB.

(there are some grey areas here)(just booted one after 4 chances to make good, she wanted a fifth chance. LOL) Thou shalt not continue a relationship with a SB who does not live up to her end of the arrangement.

(guilty) Thou shalt not go raw.

(happened once, huge mistake) Thou shalt not fall in love.

[Revvo]

LM,

I really appreciated your Q&A and read it a couple of times. I too am in a pretty good situation with a SB that is on retainer. And I wonder about a couple of things.

Have any of your LT SB's ever hit you up for extra cash?

Ever had a long term baby that was cash strapped and hurting, not a Nando 1 just someone who is going through a hard time?

If so how do you handle it?

So far this has not happened but I want to be prepared in case. Do you refuse, or just give it to them, or ignore them?

How about the reverse. Have they ever tried to skimp on service after getting their retainer?

Once again this has not happened to me yet. Mine has been very good about it. She even made herself available when she was on her period and sick to boot. Told me it was my decision. I took that as a high quality woman right there. So we just ended up hanging out in the FC, laying in bed and talking. It was pretty good.

You mentioned gifts, how about birthdays? Just give them cash?

Do you have any tips for heading any of these issues or other potential issues off as opposed to responding after the fact?

I want to learn from your deep experiences. I did not even know that this world existed before January.

But I am liking it right now.

[F Scott]

Thou shalt not write anything down in such a manner that your SO can find it.

Thou shalt not save any unused condoms for "the next time". Condoms are cheap, divorce is not.

Thou shalt keep a "clean" car, with all identifying papers locked away in a location of thy choosing.

I like Lit's admonition to empty pockets. I have done this many, many times when meeting babies in the FC for the first or second time, or even at the first M&G. Not that I think the baby would pin me down and empty my pockets, but the procedure puts me in the correct mind set. I would add a corollary: When on the road, thou shalt conceal all identifying materials in the room safe, or under thy bed, especially when thy baby is spending the night.

Whenever I am faced with an issue regarding secrecy or security, this is what I think:

Ask thyself, what would Jason Bourne do?

More?

Scott

[Literal2]

LM63,

Yours sounds like a successful pattern. You do not appear to be a married gentleman, which is a big advantage in this business. It is interesting to learn how the sb / sd relationship can work when the security risks are reduced. Very much like a regular GF.

[Literal2]

Hernando and Golf, thank you. Many excellent contributors have made this thread what it is. I discovered a fuel additive that made it fun to race my 1955 Chevy around the track a few times; pretty soon others showed up driving 'vettes, aston-martins, ferraris and an occasional Bugatti. Today we have a real spectator sport.

Extortion: Wow, thanks for the article. Who would have thought the fbi could be an sds best friend?

Ten (more or less) commandments based on "trial and error" method of learning aka the hard way:

1. Empty pockets of every identifying scrap of paper and leave wallet in locked glove compartment in the car, enter FC with only the car key, cash, condoms, antibac, mouthwash, tooth brush and paste, locked cell phone, and a few nondescript clothes to hang in the closet.

2. Park car on other side of hotel from room.

3. Never accompany sb to hotel bar and leave her there alone, she will find out all about you from the bartender or, at a minimum, run a tab on your room number.

4. Never let the girl keep your room after you leave it.

[LikeMike1963]

There were some commentary and appreciated. I figure I should share my thoughts to the following. Just some quick background.

I have had SB's for about 10 yrs. Some a couple mths but several for 1yr or more. The longer ones were exclusive.

Ok. For those that prefer a longer term situation a few questions.

1) How much a month do you provide as a stipend not including any extras.

I have ranged between 800- 2000.

The highest paid was the very hot. Also the least reliable. Lasted 6 mths. Decent in bed.

My best SB ever is current. 1.5yrs. We initially agreed on 600 mth. But I always do some extras for her. We have taken trips. Sorta a PT GF. And yes. I am emotionally attached but know when she finishes school she will return to her home state. But she is a straight "A" student. Is on an athletic scholarship. When we met. She wanted to focus on school and with training and competing her time is limited. We see each other 6-10x a mth. Often sleep overs. She has stayed in my house alone. I am 26 yrs her senior. She is 23. I am 49. But I am in decent shape and decent looking. She is a solid 7. Cute. 5' 5".110lbs. And as mentioned is athletic so fit. She is the least expensive SB and by far the best. She lives on campus (full ride) about 45. 60 min away. So close. But not too close. LOL. We are exclusive. I am confident as she is very busy and always willing to make time to meet my schedule. She is a great girl and will be missed one day.

2) If you do extras / gifts. What do you usually do?

Gas cards. Spa gift cards.

3) How do you handle the cash part. Direct deposit. Cash in hand. With what frequency. Weekly. Monthly?

I have never just handed my SB cash. May place in an envelope and stick in her purse. Or have left on a counter. Never have done the pay per time. Has been in allowance for. From 2-4x a mth. The longer term ladies were by a prepaid visa that I would load 2x a month.

4) Do you require sexual exclusivity from your SB (or at least like being lied to about it. LOL)

If we last more than a few mths. Yes.

[Hernando]

Drunker Irish posted this warning on the DC board, and I think it's worth reposting here.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...tortion-578452

I have undergone 3 extortion experiences. Unfortunately, a long term SB will determine your I'd if she is motivated to do so. Fortunately I was able to resolve them with minimal financial exposure.

This guy must have taken a stupid pill for 1) sending naked pics and 2) giving money, $7000 no less, to a stranger

[Spitfire]

A similar thing happened to me at the very start of my career in the Bowl. Luckily, I was under deep cover, and there was no way the baby could find my real identity, but I did have a few days of doubts and fear. It ended when I told her she should do what she wanted, but so would I. What I was doing, seeking babies while married might be frowned upon by polite society, but what she was threatening was a felony, and I would be contacting the police. Fortunately, I had not sent her any compromising pics beyond a selfie head shot, and maintained my secret identity, but still, it was a frightening episode.

Happily it did not deter me from future exploits! Imo, this guy appears to have done two things wrong. Exposed his true identity, and sent her money without ever getting her in the FC. This no doubt gave her the idea that she could get the cash without any effort in other ways.

Maybe we could draft a "Ten Commandments for SDs" list of things that should never be done, I. E. Thou shalt not reveal thy true identity, Thou shalt not use personal or corporate credit cards. Any more?

Thou shalt not pursue those desperate enough to threaten you.

Thou shalt not meet a potential SB without doing your upfront research on her. Facebook, twitter, email, tin eye, google image search. Anything you can use to confirm she is who she says.

Thou shalt not use a personal or corporate cell phone. Get a throwaway phone or Google Voice.

Thou shalt not use your personal email address. Create an email address used strictly for SB's. I recommend Gmail or Hushmail as they make it harder to trace your IP address. Not foolproof at all, but beyond the capability of most SB's.

Thou shalt not use your home or business for meetings.

Thou shalt not provide sugar before meeting.

Thou shalt not leave your wallet unattended with a SB.

Thou shalt not continue a relationship with a SB who does not live up to her end of the arrangement.

Thou shalt not go raw.

Thou shalt not fall in love.

[F Scott]

Every SB I now enter negotiations with will be receiving this link. This way they know any blackmail or extortion attempts against me, could find themselves with the FBI at their door and possibly facing 20 years in prison. Too many of these girls think they can make serious threats without any risk or repercussions.

I feel bad for that guy, but the story is a blessing to SDs everywhere. Use it to scare off psychos and to keep the normal girls in line.

A similar thing happened to me at the very start of my career in the Bowl. Luckily, I was under deep cover, and there was no way the baby could find my real identity, but I did have a few days of doubts and fear. It ended when I told her she should do what she wanted, but so would I. What I was doing, seeking babies while married might be frowned upon by polite society, but what she was threatening was a felony, and I would be contacting the police. Fortunately, I had not sent her any compromising pics beyond a selfie head shot, and maintained my secret identity, but still, it was a frightening episode.

Happily it did not deter me from future exploits! Imo, this guy appears to have done two things wrong - exposed his true identity, and sent her money without ever getting her in the FC. This no doubt gave her the idea that she could get the cash without any effort in other ways.

Maybe we could draft a "Ten Commandments for SDs" list of things that should never be done, i.e. Thou shalt not reveal thy true identity, Thou shalt not use personal or corporate credit cards. Any more?

[John G Smith]

Drunker Irish posted this warning on the DC board, and I think it's worth reposting here.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...tortion-578452

Every SB I now enter negotiations with will be receiving this link. This way they know any blackmail or extortion attempts against me, could find themselves with the FBI at their door and possibly facing 20 years in prison. Too many of these girls think they can make serious threats without any risk or repercussions.

I feel bad for that guy, but the story is a blessing to SDs everywhere. Use it to scare off psychos and to keep the normal girls in line.

[Bunker Buster]

Drunker Irish posted this warning on the DC board, and I think it's worth reposting here.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...tortion-578452

[Golfcart]

Just for fun I reread a portion of the thread from it's inception. WOW!

I want to thank Lit for the ground work that he did pretty much singlehandedly. It was a groundbreaking effort and it was fun to see all the characters come and go as the narrative moved on. I highly recommend that we all occasionally review how this thing has evolved into one of the most effective pussy hunting "How To " books ever. I think Lit should produce " Pussy hunting for Dummies "

Thanks Lit

I second that. Lit founded this thread when much was assumed and little was known about the topic. It has become a resource everyone regardless of experience can read and learn. I think this thread is unique and thanks to Lit and the rest of us for becoming object lessons.

[HollywoodGuy]

Categories can change and targets of opportunity often supersede preconceptions (aka Mr Johnson has a mind of his own) but here's my priority list of targets based on BT's categories:

1. Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact. LIT2 COMMENT: I think a lot of SDs share this no. 1 priority. Easier said than done, however.

2. Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate. Lit2 COMMENT: I include in this category no-nonsense babes who know what they want and sign up for the SB sites but don't accept they are UTRs. I like the lack of entanglements plus the amateur enthusiasm in this group.

3, The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement. Lit2 COMMENT: This is a preferred category for me because the neediness / emotion ramps up the passion but these babies scare the piss out of me when they start attempts to get involved in your life. High security risk.

4. Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning. Lit2 COMMENT: I like strippers because you can inspect the merchandise and it is often a challenge to fuck them because they have seen it all before. Dating may be necessary to get her across the line. Yes they can be expensive. Escorts are too crazy to date when I've tried so I don't do it any more.

5. Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement. Lit2 COMMENT: these always make me feel guilty which is not what I am looking for.

6. Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact. Lit2 COMMENT: For me, these are among the worst. Often afflicted with GPS, often looking for a husband.

7. SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory. Lit2 COMMENT: These babies want to control you. Some will be gorgeous, but too cold blooded for me. Plus I don't like dating any sb.

These are my subjective responses. I'm sure there are different priorities of targets.

Interesting exercise.

My first real SB was a #7 (hate to admit that). Then I eventually made it through the #2's down to the #5's to save money and time and like you said no emotion, just fucking. Now I am only doing the #1/3 combo girls for $ or less. Very high emotional involvement which cuts way back on the dollars as they do not want one without the other, working or student or both. Basically part time girlfriends. Long term strategy required, but well worth it as they are exclusive to me.

[Hernando]

Just for fun I reread a portion of the thread from it's inception. WOW!

I want to thank Lit for the ground work that he did pretty much singlehandedly. It was a groundbreaking effort and it was fun to see all the characters come and go as the narrative moved on. I highly recommend that we all occasionally review how this thing has evolved into one of the most effective pussy hunting "How To " books ever. I think Lit should produce " Pussy hunting for Dummies "

Thanks Lit

[Literal2]

We have a number of categories for the women we tend to focus on (I apologize if I mess up the categories) What is your target group and order of precedence?

Categories can change and targets of opportunity often supersede preconceptions (aka Mr Johnson has a mind of his own) but here's my priority list of targets based on BT's categories:

1. Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact. LIT2 COMMENT: I think a lot of SDs share this no. 1 priority. Easier said than done, however.

2. Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate. Lit2 COMMENT: I include in this category no-nonsense babes who know what they want and sign up for the SB sites but don't accept they are UTRs. I like the lack of entanglements plus the amateur enthusiasm in this group.

3, The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement. Lit2 COMMENT: This is a preferred category for me because the neediness / emotion ramps up the passion but these babies scare the piss out of me when they start attempts to get involved in your life. High security risk.

4. Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning. Lit2 COMMENT: I like strippers because you can inspect the merchandise and it is often a challenge to fuck them because they have seen it all before. Dating may be necessary to get her across the line. Yes they can be expensive. Escorts are too crazy to date when I've tried so I don't do it any more.

5. Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement. Lit2 COMMENT: these always make me feel guilty which is not what I am looking for.

6. Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact. Lit2 COMMENT: For me, these are among the worst. Often afflicted with GPS, often looking for a husband.

7. SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory. Lit2 COMMENT: These babies want to control you. Some will be gorgeous, but too cold blooded for me. Plus I don't like dating any sb.

These are my subjective responses. I'm sure there are different priorities of targets.

Interesting exercise.