"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Literal2** · 03-26-13 11:29

I for one want to hear more of Scott's stories. He's a good writer with a successful technique. Just what we need on this thread. The fact that others have different techniques and styles usually makes it all the merrier. It would be nice to avoid giving offense when possible. Sub, a string of obscenities usually sounds like an insult to someone. I'd prefer to hear about your successes and how you set them up, and about any failures you care to share with us. Thanks.

**F Scott** · 03-26-13 09:42

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

You remain entitled to your opinion. I also stand by my PM. And furthermore state that I don't need your approval for anything I say in the forum!

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.". Voltaire.

Subcmdr out!

You can say anything you want, but that right does not come without consequences. I am equally free to say what I think as well. If your view towards this whole world is contained and shaped by the words to the song you cite, I feel sorry for you, and any "garden tool" you happen to run across. I'm not wasting any more time on this shit, or on you.

Scott out!

**F Scott** · 03-26-13 09:18

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Just my unique perspective on the issue. I feel a lot of good advice about the sugar world is contained in the little John song Play no games. I highly suggest you listen to it. Or you can just google the words online. No offense meant. But obviously a great deal was taken.

SubCmdr out!

I stand by my PM. If you mistakenly thought you were being clever, I can assure you that you were not even close.

**SubCmdr** · 03-25-13 23:30

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Of what possible value is this? I'm glad that at least I can take comfort in your comraderie and friendship. I only hope that one day I can achieve your level of knowledge and expertise.

Scott

Just my unique perspective on the issue. I feel a lot of good advice about the sugar world is contained in the Lil John song Play no games. I highly suggest you listen to it. Or you can just google the words online. No offense meant. But obviously a great deal was taken.

SubCmdr out!

**SubCmdr** · 03-25-13 23:17

Mr. Scott raised an interesting issue on the back channel.

So I have a series of questions to the forum: Does paying lots ($$ - $$$$$) of money to a sugar baby ensure she is non pro?

And if it is not about the money, then how can you tell if you are dealing with a pro or a non pro?

Can a Nando 1 be a non pro?

Can a HCB be pro pretending to be a SB?

SubCmdr out!

**F Scott** · 03-25-13 18:45

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

I think he's just being flamboyant, Scott. Exuberant and uninhibited. I wouldn't take it seriously. Just my view.

I can think of other adjectives, but I'll keep your words in mind,

Scott

**Literal2** · 03-25-13 18:27

I think he's just being flamboyant, Scott. Exuberant and uninhibited. I wouldn't take it seriously. Just my view.

**F Scott** · 03-25-13 18:16

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Might be difficult for her to talk when she is air tight and hard to text when she has a dick in both hands (LOL)!

"Ain't not tellin' what * will do. For enough dough she will get on four and fuck the crew!". Little John (Play no games)

SubCmdr out!

Of what possible value is this? I'm glad that at least I can take comfort in your comraderie and friendship. I only hope that one day I can achieve your level of knowledge and expertise.
Scott

**SubCmdr** · 03-25-13 17:59

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

PS. Lit, no offense taken, truly. I'm happy with where I am. Local baby was stunning, connection seems to be forming, and I anticipate POTF on our third meeting, which is par for me. Sadly, NOLA Obsession has fallen off the radar screen as of late. I know she is on the road touring, but still, isn't there down time when you're on the bus between gigs?

Might be difficult for her to talk when she is air tight and hard to text when she has a dick in both hands (LOL)!

"Ain't not tellin' what ***** will do. For enough dough she will get on four and fuck the crew!". Little John (Play no games)

SubCmdr out!

**F Scott** · 03-25-13 17:10

Originally Posted by LikeMike1963 [View Original Post]

Ok. For those that prefer a longer term situation a few questions.

1) How much a month do you provide as a stipend not including any extras.

2) If you do extras / gifts. What do you usually do?

3) How do you handle the cash part. Direct deposit. Cash in hand. With what frequency. Weekly. Monthly?

4) Do you require sexual exclusivity from your SB (or at least like being lied to about it. LOL)

Hey Mike,

Welcome to the clubhouse, and if you have posted before but I have just missed it, my apologies. If you have read the Big Book from the beginning, you will know there are many different approaches, all successful to their degree, and dependant upon the type and level of baby you are seeking, your local market, the type and level of arrangement you are seeking, and your own personal comfort level with risk and exposure. All that said, I will give you my answers to your questions:

1) I make it clear in my profile that I am not offering a monthly allowance, but rather a per-meeting gift. This averages $300 when I am fishing in my home pool, Chicago, but goes down when I am on the road. I leave it up to the baby to decide for herself where her need level is. I also let them know that I am generally available twice a month, though in reality it is 4 times or more. This lets me keep two or three babies in rotation, or shower one with Scotty's entire attention as a special treat LOL!

2) I love giving extras, in the form of shopping trips, mani / pedis, books, groceries, etc. I try to pay attention to what the baby likes, and values, and then surprise her. It often can take the place of regular sugar, and makes the relationship seem less like P4P to both of us.

3) Being married, my sugar, and anything else related to my fishing, is strictly Bennies. Cash leaves no trail. I buy a little card at the grocery store and put the sugar in there, with a little note about how much I enjoyed our time, yada yada, and then seal it, put her name on the envelope, and leave it in a place she can find, or give it to her if we are in a hotel with some comment about a "token" of my feelings. It feels like a gift in this manner, and it has always worked well for me.

4) Never ask, don't care, and assume she has other situations. As long as I get access where and when I want it, I'm happy. That said, I always play safe.

As I prefaced, this is how I roll. Others will roll differently, and it is a matter for you to craft your own comfort zone.

Good luck, and don't forget to write.

Scott.

PS. Lit, no offense taken, truly. I'm happy with where I am. Local baby was stunning, connection seems to be forming, and I anticipate POTF on our third meeting, which is par for me. Sadly, NOLA Obsession has fallen off the radar screen as of late. I know she is on the road touring, but still, isn't there down time when you're on the bus between gigs?

**LikeMike1963** · 03-25-13 15:23

Ok. For those that prefer a longer term situation a few questions.

1) How much a month do you provide as a stipend not including any extras.

2) If you do extras / gifts. What do you usually do?

3) How do you handle the cash part. Direct deposit. Cash in hand. With what frequency. Weekly. Monthly?

4) Do you require sexual exclusivity from your SB (or at least like being lied to about it. LOL)

**LikeMike1963** · 03-25-13 15:19

Originally Posted by AllSeasonLv [View Original Post]

Wrote to a very well endowed army officer in Newport News on the SD4M site saying how much I liked her profile and pics. Now I've had POT SBs respond with things like you're too far away or not respond at all and I get that. But this SB responded with "I make as much money as you do. Sorry, but I want to be REALLY spoiled." Well that's a first for me. So guys, how would you respond to something like this? All I can say is unless you make over $200K, don't bother with this one!

Just saying,

Allseasonlvr

Yeah. It has happened to me. I usually reply with humor. Saying "damn. Then maybe you can you help me out". Or simply say. Understood. I am not able to meet those financial requests. I wish you the best!

**Literal2** · 03-25-13 14:53

Scott, you have a valid and obviously effective technique and it gives you pleasure. Nothing wrong with that. I agree courtship as you describe it makes the union more intense.

Others have different techniques.

I see the problem as one of not getting involved. (Of course, if you are looking for involvement, this isn't a problem at all.) When you are fucking a lot of different girls the breakups just don't hurt like they do when you are exclusive to one. As Sub says, his nuts ache, he's nostalgic and misses her, but he doesn't love her. When you're fucking just one, these same symptoms can cause major emotional turmoil. There was a song, Only love can mend a broken heart. I'll modify that to only fresh pussy can replace lost pussy.

Personally, my emotional nerve endings have become calloused. I can't imagine sticking with a baby for 7 months. I don't even want one to stay overnight. My last infatuation was 10 years ago with a Swedish illegal immigrant but it only lasted a few months. I went back recently to one of my two ATF SBs after a year apart and gorgeous as she was, I'd already had her and she didn't do anything for me.

I continue to seek strange ass. It's always been the best for me. No sarcasm intended at all. Sorry I gave you that impression.

**AllSeasonLv** · 03-25-13 13:07

Wrote to a very well endowed army officer in Newport News on the SD4M site saying how much I liked her profile and pics. Now I've had POT SBs respond with things like you're too far away or not respond at all and I get that. But this SB responded with "I make as much money as you do. Sorry, but I want to be REALLY spoiled." Well that's a first for me. So guys, how would you respond to something like this? All I can say is unless you make over $200K, don't bother with this one!

Just saying,

Allseasonlvr

**EuroInCincy** · 03-25-13 12:37

Quite often you see new profiles with a high very high monthly amount.

A wink to me is usually followed by a 'unrealistic expectations email' and funny the $5, 000. $10, 000 / month goes donw to less than $1, 000 / mo.

Any of you had the same experiences?