"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Roamin Roman]

Well the crazy * has called my wife back at her work now. Wife was not there but called me to asked me about her. She gave wife two different names already. I asked wife who is it Kimberly or Elissa?

Wife said she does not know. Just left a message with receptionist that she needed to talk to her about Revvo. I said I don't know who it is never heard of either. Don't you think it is strange that there are two different names? She said she does not know.

I can tell she is suspicious. Asked me if there is anything she should know. I said no very nonchalantly. I asked her if she was going to call crazy * back. She said I don't know should I. I said I don't know.

That is where it is at now.

She is getting closer. 90% chance shit will hit the fan. I think I have found the one smart crazy criminal on the planet. I am fucked.

Revvo

Keep the narrative focused on the lost credit card and your dinner with clients. Suggest that card might have been lost (or stolen) in the restaurant, and that this crazy * is probably just lashing out at anyone connected with the person she was soliciting at the table. She or her pimp probably searched the internet for your name and are hoping to scam you or your wife. Don't make too detailed a narrative (since more details provide more points that can be checked, or more points where you can create a conflicting story), but make sure all points in your narrative are consistent.

R:R

[F Scott]

These are some truly hair-raising stories here, my friends, and certainly cautionary tales for us all. Without going back and reading all the lead-up, is there a common thread that binds all the crazy babies together? Didn't you all meet them on SD4M? It may be just my personal prejudice, but in the Chicago area, the babies on that site are, for the most part, lower rent than the ones on SA. I'd just be curious to know where they have come from.

Revvo, I hope the shit bypasses your fan, my brother. I agree with Tigg, however, don't hand your wife the goods on your extracurricular activities. I was involved in a trial as a witness many years ago, and the lawyer who was prepping me gave me this bit of advice: don't say a single word more than you have to; there is no sense in doing the other side's work for them. If your wife is going to nail you, she will do it on her own, with our without your help.

Good luck, my friend!

Scott

[Graham111]

SB1 clued me in to say anything but married on her way out the door. Creates unneccesary issues and many of the girls deep down are looking for a long term partner. Fortunately for me I have an apartment 500 miles from home due to work. A true man cave. So that is where I receive visitors and, except for the occasional phone call, I can keep the 2 separate. My facebook is locked down and, I hope, no other potential issues.

[Blak Casper]

However this time it ended up being much more lackluster. I think it had to do with her ex-boyfriend getting out of jail this week because she couldn't stop talking about him. When it came time to do the nasty she was much more distant than before.

I also felt that she was now migrating back toward her ex-bf who is an ex-con, that's a flaming red warning sign of drama.

I was hoping to keep this girl around for a cheap thrill every now and then. But the situation has just gotten too risky. She doesn't work, doesn't go to school, hangs around with criminal ex-boyfriends, possibly trying to figure out of my real real name. I have no intel on her either, so if she steps out of line, I'd have nothing to use against her.

Just remember to always be vigilant. Assume very girl is a pyscho until you can confirm otherwise.

Danger Will Robinson! Danger ahead! Drop this one now.

There is more DANGER than DRAMA ahead with this one.

Dissapear

[John G Smith]

So I just got back from seeing the UTR girl. She texted me earlier in the day wanting to meet and I said I would but that I would give her just. 4$. She agreed, so I thought why the hell not.

We were meeting up for a car date late at night and at the beginning she asked if I could stop by the store afterwards to get a few supplies. I wasn't thrilled at the idea since I literally just wanted to pick her up, bang her, and then drop her off. But since she was willing to meet for just. 4$, I tentatively agreed. Plus our first encounter sex-wise was fantastic. However this time it ended up being much more lackluster. I think it had to do with her ex-boyfriend getting out of jail this week because she couldn't stop talking about him. When it came time to do the nasty she was much more distant than before.

Afterward, she still asked to go to the store but now she was saying she just wanted to buy cigs but she left her I'd at home. She asked me if I can buy them, I said I don't feel like getting out of the car. She begged me some more but I said I left my wallet at home also. I then quickly dropped her off.

As mentioned earlier, I keep all my IDs, registration, and etc in a locked box in my car. I wasn't going to unlock this just to buy her cigs. Also I would be vulnerable while in the store buying the cigs with my I'd, she could easily look over my shoulder to see my real name & address on my I'd.

I also felt that she was now migrating back toward her ex-bf who is an ex-con, that's a flaming red warning sign of drama.

I was hoping to keep this girl around for a cheap thrill every now and then. But the situation has just gotten too risky. She doesn't work, doesn't go to school, hangs around with criminal ex-boyfriends, possibly trying to figure out of my real real name. I have no intel on her either, so if she steps out of line, I'd have nothing to use against her.

Just remember to always be vigilant. Assume very girl is a pyscho until you can confirm otherwise.

[BigTigger]

Wow, this is so close to what I went through. The more I thought about it, the more I realized that if the truth comes out, I'm toast either way. So I stuck to my story and eventually that won over. I did have to do some clean up. I added a picture to my account that was not me. I changed the number on my batphone. I double-checked to make sure I did not have any texts or emails that could link my pseudo to my real name. I also got out front and told the wife the preliminary story. It may be too late for that, but you do have the fact that she's given different names and could be classified as unstable. You got to get a story that works and stick to it until you are forced to tell the truth. You have to be in the driver's seat and not reactive. If you have a trusted friend, you may need to employ help and get someone to vouch that she's tried to extort from them also. Don't sit and wait for doom, take action! The worst decision is not making a decision.

Others have given good advice. It's going to hard with the police as you don't have a real name and not sure she's trying to extort you. So it's basic harassment, except that she may be telling the truth.

Revvo, there are no easy solutions with this one, I hate that this happened so early in your SD career.

Well the crazy * has called my wife back at her work now. Wife was not there but called me to asked me about her. She gave wife two different names already. I asked wife who is it Kimberly or Elissa?

Wife said she does not know. Just left a message with receptionist that she needed to talk to her about Revvo. I said I don't know who it is never heard of either. Don't you think it is strange that there are two different names? She said she does not know.

I can tell she is suspicious. Asked me if there is anything she should know. I said no very nonchalantly. I asked her if she was going to call crazy * back. She said I don't know should I. I said I don't know.

That is where it is at now.

She is getting closer. 90% chance shit will hit the fan. I think I have found the one smart crazy criminal on the planet. I am fucked.

Revvo

[HollywoodGuy]

All of my Garden Tools know I'm seeing others and they are too. I asked one to be exclusive and she said no. A interesting reality check for me.

I've have this discussion with all of my regulars. There seems to be a understanding that it is not a naturally exclusive relationship. You can buy pussy. But you can't buy the person. This is because of many factors. The main one is this: We are most likely significantly older than our Garden Tools and probably married. Our Garden Tools often has not given up on that dream for their own lives. They are not going to stop pursuit of that goal just because we are giving them a little cash. Some are honest enough to tell you this straight up. Others will sell you the idea you want.

I know this has been discussed before. But I think the natural structure of the relationship with a Garden Tool does not lend itself to exclusivity. After all if we wanted to be exclusive wouldn't we just keep fucking our wives or SO's? And wouldn't our Garden Tools instead become girlfriends and wives? Can a one sided relationship really work? It has nothing to do with the money. We give them the money in order to get the pussy. After the exchange is complete the reality is that they are free to sell pussy to the next person that comes along.

Unless you are providing for their every need and have them under lock and key, the only time you know your Garden Tool is not fucking someone else is when you have your dick in her. A harsh reality but much more likely to be closer to the truth than thinking she is exclusive to you.

Go balls deep & prosper!

SubCmdr Out

Many trueism's here. (is that a word. LOL) Due to my inability to stay out of trouble (too many to list). I now have a UTR / Pro living with me. She works SD4me and BP on occasion. I have also seen her flip guys on so called normal dating site into bitches. This arrangement keeps us both protected (as neither of us wants to be in an exclusive arrangement). I have learned quite a bit watching her play guy after guy. And it's impossible for any girl to think they could be exclusive with me when they meet her. She is not allowed to bring anyone over, but they all know her living arrangements. I bring some of my girls here and it helps keep some emotional distance. Rarely do we all play together. Not really my thing. Too distracting. LOL. I realize there are many married guys on here so this is not for you. But the overall point of "You can buy pussy. But you can't buy the person." is so true. Some girls will fall in love anyway and will compete to be the #1 or ATF. These are quality problems for sure.

My live in is also very helpful in weeding out the fake non-pros. Takes one to know one, and she hasnt been wrong yet.

[Kool Breeze]

"Well the crazy * has called my wife " Revvo.

I hate to be the voice of doom, but all of us will be exposed if we do this long enough. The problem is that we become addicted to the lifestyle and the high that we get from it. It is much like alcohol or drug addiction. I have it bad and got exposed because I could not stop, or at least tone back to modest exposure.

You should call her (the tool) and inform her that you have told your wife, she is behind you, and will call the police if she bothers you or your wife again.

The other thing you might consider doing is throw yourself at her feet (wife) , confess a little bit, at least about this tool, and beg forgiveness. If she finds out it is better coming from you. Several of us here have gone through that trial.

Good luck Nando

Long time lurker on this thread and getting my feet wet on this side of the hobby. Nando gave good advice by telling you to call the crazy chick but go a little further and get a female friend even if you have to pay her to call her and pretend she is your wife and play along with her. From me studying this board and studying the mental make up of so called SB's the safest route to tell them is that you are either not married or divorced. That will cut the ammunition of one of them getting out of pocket and trying to blackmail you. No need to tell one of them you are married. Future reference is to make a check list. Make up your alto ego name age etc, email, prepaid or green dot credit card, different cell phone or google voice, most important is to keep your car clean and double check center console and glove compartment for any papers with your real name and address. Also when and if she rides with you and you drop her off, clean car and make sure she didn't drop any eye rings or accessories or loose hair in the passenger side of the vehicle.

[Spitfire]

Well the crazy * has called my wife back at her work now. Wife was not there but called me to asked me about her. She gave wife two different names already. I asked wife who is it Kimberly or Elissa?

Wife said she does not know. Just left a message with receptionist that she needed to talk to her about Revvo. I said I don't know who it is never heard of either. Don't you think it is strange that there are two different names? She said she does not know.

I can tell she is suspicious. Asked me if there is anything she should know. I said no very nonchalantly. I asked her if she was going to call crazy * back. She said I don't know should I. I said I don't know.

That is where it is at now.

She is getting closer. 90% chance shit will hit the fan. I think I have found the one smart crazy criminal on the planet. I am fucked.

Revvo

If you know anything about her, then maybe you can use a pressure point of her own against her. For example, is she a single mom in the midst of a custody dispute? If so, you can say "do you really want this coming up?" As I said, just an example, there could be others.

But the best advice I can give you is go to the cops now and lay it out for them. Yes, it will hurt, but it's better than the alternatives in my opinion.

[Hernando]

"Well the crazy * has called my wife " Revvo.

I hate to be the voice of doom, but all of us will be exposed if we do this long enough. The problem is that we become addicted to the lifestyle and the high that we get from it. It is much like alcohol or drug addiction. I have it bad and got exposed because I could not stop, or at least tone back to modest exposure.

You should call her (the tool) and inform her that you have told your wife, she is behind you, and will call the police if she bothers you or your wife again.

The other thing you might consider doing is throw yourself at her feet (wife) , confess a little bit, at least about this tool, and beg forgiveness. If she finds out it is better coming from you. Several of us here have gone through that trial.

Good luck Nando

[Rico80]

All of my Garden Tools know I'm seeing others and they are too. I asked one to be exclusive and she said no. A interesting reality check for me.

I've have this discussion with all of my regulars. There seems to be a understanding that it is not a naturally exclusive relationship. You can buy pussy. But you can't buy the person. This is because of many factors. The main one is this: We are most likely significantly older than our Garden Tools and probably married. Our Garden Tools often has not given up on that dream for their own lives. They are not going to stop pursuit of that goal just because we are giving them a little cash. Some are honest enough to tell you this straight up. Others will sell you the idea you want.

I know this has been discussed before. But I think the natural structure of the relationship with a Garden Tool does not lend itself to exclusivity. After all if we wanted to be exclusive wouldn't we just keep fucking our wives or SO's? And wouldn't our Garden Tools instead become girlfriends and wives? Can a one sided relationship really work? It has nothing to do with the money. We give them the money in order to get the pussy. After the exchange is complete the reality is that they are free to sell pussy to the next person that comes along.

Unless you are providing for their every need and have them under lock and key, the only time you know your Garden Tool is not fucking someone else is when you have your dick in her. A harsh reality but much more likely to be closer to the truth than thinking she is exclusive to you.

Go balls deep & prosper!

SubCmdr Out

I believe that everyone should read and memorize this piece of profound advice. Had I known this before would have kept me from being hurt. Hurt in the wallet and heart. LOL. Aloha from Hawaii.

[Revvo]

Well the crazy ***** has called my wife back at her work now. Wife was not there but called me to asked me about her. She gave wife two different names already. I asked wife who is it Kimberly or Elissa?

Wife said she does not know. Just left a message with receptionist that she needed to talk to her about Revvo. I said I don't know who it is never heard of either. Don't you think it is strange that there are two different names? She said she does not know.

I can tell she is suspicious. Asked me if there is anything she should know. I said no very nonchalantly. I asked her if she was going to call crazy ***** back. She said I don't know should I. I said I don't know.

That is where it is at now.

She is getting closer. 90% chance shit will hit the fan. I think I have found the one smart crazy criminal on the planet. I am fucked.

Revvo

[Blak Casper]

She had a female cousin that works at a low cost motel close to her school, so whenever people check out a day early, Lily can use the room for free.

Are you able to get fresh / clean sheets and towels?

[Blak Casper]

MsSuccessful had turned out to be a roaring success. Since she also pays for meals, rooms and other things, drives a car just a nice as mine, has an expense account, and tries to pay for my gas, LOL, I cannot honestly put her in the SB category.

All others are basically on hold, so I'm not sure I'll have much exciting to contribute for a while.

BigTigg

Good report, hold on to her as long as you can, I've had a few over the years that fit this description that I bailed on after awhile for one reason or another. Though they didn't come from / through the sugar world, in your case as long as she doesn't try to put you on "boyfriend / faithful / exclusive" status ride it as long as you can, haha.

[BigTigger]

If we can help just one person score a nutt, then the board has fulfilled it's purpose. LOL.

Thanks for all the info you guys put in here, will never score this AA hottie without the info here. Thanks guys.