"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Zomby** · 09-23-12 16:54

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

It certainly is difficult to even schedule an interview lately, isn't it? I've been fishing pretty regularly in hopes of expanding my little black book, and my success at even getting a simple response is probably under 25 percent. Then, when I do get a response, we either can't find an agreeable time, or she falls off the radar, or she doesn't even show to the M&G. Of all the pots I've contacted, I've only met one in the last three weeks.

Your travails remind me of when I was chasing strippers regularly. Give out my number a hundred times to girls who say they're interested in something more, and I'd be lucky if half of them *ever* called me back at all. Of those, most would just want me to come into the club to spend more money, or just drive to their house and *give* them money. Fewer than five percent ever ended up on a "date", and of those only a few were worth repeating more than a few times.

Which, of course, is the reason I'm here. The one gem that keeps *me* calling back.

/z

**Zomby** · 09-23-12 16:44

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

Then later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered.

Do both of you understand that a "current" STD test doesn't mean squat until after three to six months (a liberal estimate; some medical professionals recommend a year, or ever longer) of either abstinence or exclusivity with each other? Given the latency and incubation periods of some of the more common bugs, a test done today only indicates how healthy you were a couple of weeks or months ago.

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

It ended up being close to 5 days and during that time I saw her log on to the SD site. [snipped] Okay so she had a lot of stuff going on, but I didn't really appreciate going onto the SD site without txting me. I'm not naive, I just as us guys check up on other pot SBs, I know SBs do the same thing. However if a SB I'm seeing has time to browse on SA or other SD sites, then she has time to send me a txt message if that's our routine.

In my, not even remotely resembling, humble opinion,"no strings attached" means none on either side. Not even an obligation to let you know what's going on. Yeah, it can be irritating, but as you've acknowledged by asking, you can always dump her if it bothers you too much.

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

I'll go through the trouble of a STD test if we're going to be doing uncovered activities, but just for to have covered activities?

I'll point out that using a cover isn't only for protection from STDs. Not that you don't know that, of course, but if she's a germophobe, she might also be paranoid about pregnancy.

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

Come on. And while the initial allowance she wanted was fairly modest, my CPO is increasing noticeably because her place is a no-go and she's talking about going to day spas and such. And with her out of school and not working, she might be venturing to nando1 territory and will keep looking for other SDs since she now has a lot of time on her hands.

This is the one that raises the most red flags for me. If she's hinting now, and you are seeing the potential, that expenses might increase, you have to decide whether or not it's worth it. Good luck with that. LOL.

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?

I don't see the two options as mutually exclusive, except from a budgetary standpoint, and keeping her on the line shouldn't really cost that much. After all, if she wants more, she knows how to get it, right?

/z

**JoesParty** · 09-23-12 16:44

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.

Joe, you ARE the man right now. I believe you have taken over from Scotty for the moment. An 18 yr old who wants to see you fuck another girl? There are many pleasures awaiting you apparently before you get tired of her. And who knows? Maybe she will keep bringing you new talent to keep her interested.

JG, Get your STD test panel and call her bluff as long as she will allow bare backing. Also keep looking for new talent since she is also.

Thanks, Hernando. I broached the subject again yesterday during a text conversation, and she said she'll do "whatever makes [me] happy." All I need to do is find a third, I guess; she says she doesn't know anyone, although I suspect some of her friends may be up for it if she only asked.

It certainly is difficult to even schedule an interview lately, isn't it? I've been fishing pretty regularly in hopes of expanding my little black book, and my success at even getting a simple response is probably under 25 percent. Then, when I do get a response, we either can't find an agreeable time, or she falls off the radar, or she doesn't even show to the M&G. Of all the pots I've contacted, I've only met one in the last three weeks.

Must be the fall weather. Keep at it; it will happen eventually.

**Hernando** · 09-23-12 15:46

Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.

Joe, you ARE the man right now. I believe you have taken over from Scotty for the moment. An 18 yr old who wants to see you fuck another girl? There are many pleasures awaiting you apparently before you get tired of her. And who knows? Maybe she will keep bringing you new talent to keep her interested.

JG, Get your STD test panel and call her bluff as long as she will allow bare backing. Also keep looking for new talent since she is also.

**Dog Rice** · 09-23-12 11:18

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

MThen later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered. So yeah two pretty big disappointments right there,

I think it is time to pass this SB. As you mentioned, if she is open for uncovered activities after STD test (she would also need to provide you STD test as well in such case) , definitely go for it. It is way too much trouble from what you described.

**GeorgeGray3207** · 09-23-12 08:59

Hello everyone, I dabble in this field myself occasionally and was hoping for just a little info. I have been a member of SD4ME for awhile, although it has been lapsed quite a while. I'm thinking of rejoining but have heard you speak of SA as well. Can someone give their preferences, why are they different, what makes one better than another? Like I said, just trying to decide which to join again. Thanks.

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-22-12 11:52

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

Then later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test.

However a few days later, she basically stopped txting abruptly (we had been txting multiple times a day until then).

However if a SB I'm seeing has time to browse on SA or other SD sites, then she has time to send me a txt message if that's our routine.

Furthermore, since she moved in with her parents she now lives a little further away and I'm obviously going to have to book a hotel.

But I'm hoping this girl will have less hoops for me to jump through for me to get some nookie.

So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?

Time to move on dude. Best thing is to have a few in the pipeline knowing that these girls come and go, raise the price over time, etc. If you are not getting what you want from a girl there is always one to take her place for less

**JoesParty** · 09-22-12 09:55

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?

Why put all your eggs in one basket? Even if your 6/6, who is now a 3. 5/6, ends up being a solid baby, why not have backups on the line?

Listen, everyone here (babies included) should realize this is NSA. I admit it took me a while to fully realize what NSA really means, and I've had to educate a girl or two as well. But no strings attached means . . . no strings attached. You can cut and run at any time, as can they. That's why, despite the fact I have a golden HYB right now, I'm still out doing interviews to find subs when needed.

**EuroInCincy** · 09-22-12 08:52

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered. S.

So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?

The test sounds like some excuse to 'be your sb, but not commit' A civilization which is ruled by the 'rules of germs' does not really interface well with the explorers who adhere to the rules of "sugar and pleasure and relaxation"

The galaxy is large so grab the next 6/6 planet, there are plenty out there, and if not today, then next week. I have seen man new planets pop up on my scanners over the years. Some led to short cultural exchanges, she led to long term.

Safe voyage

**John G Smith** · 09-22-12 06:06

My time has been pretty limited so I haven't had a chance to give a summery of my 6/6 ISBE girl. But the short version is that when we met a couple of weeks ago, the initial date went pretty well. We had a good conversation and everything but I didn't get any lovin'. While initially she said we could get together at her place when I got there she back tracked and said her roommates would be a problem. Then later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered. So yeah two pretty big disappointments right there, but otherwise we got along very well so it was still a nice evening. She trusted me to drop her off at her parents house, so I didn't get the vibe that she was trying to push me away.

However a few days later, she basically stopped txting abruptly (we had been txting multiple times a day until then). I didn't contact her and I wanted to see how long it would be before she sent me a message. It ended up being close to 5 days and during that time I saw her log on to the SD site. So I figured she found someone with a bigger wallet. I eventually asked what was up and she apologized and said she was trying to figure out her living situation. She basically got booted from her roommates apartment, dropped out of school, and moved back in with her parents. Okay so she had a lot of stuff going on, but I didn't really appreciate going onto the SD site without txting me. I'm not naive, I just as us guys check up on other pot SBs, I know SBs do the same thing. However if a SB I'm seeing has time to browse on SA or other SD sites, then she has time to send me a txt message if that's our routine.

Furthermore, since she moved in with her parents she now lives a little further away and I'm obviously going to have to book a hotel.

So she basically dropped from a 6/6 to a about a 3. 5/6. I figured I'd get some advice / opinions from my brothers here. Should I go through the trouble of getting a STD test and dealing with the other setbacks? She's hot and our personalities do click fairly well. Also she claims she's pretty freaky in the sack. But I'm just wondering if she's more trouble than it's worth. I'll go through the trouble of a STD test if we're going to be doing uncovered activities, but just for to have covered activities? Come on. And while the initial allowance she wanted was fairly modest, my CPO is increasing noticeably because her place is a no-go and she's talking about going to day spas and such. And with her out of school and not working, she might be venturing to nando1 territory and will keep looking for other SDs since she now has a lot of time on her hands.

While I've been pondering on her, I've also been looking at some other pot SBs. I might meetup with a hot college Asian SB next weekend who was happy with my sugar offer and also might make her place available. Also our txt conversations have gone well. She lives about the same distance as the other SB, but I'm hoping this girl will have less hoops for me to jump through for me to get some nookie.

So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?

**JoesParty** · 09-21-12 18:38

It seems as though just about everybody's had some trials lately. Is it something in the water? The change in seasons? Or simply the fact that, as we increase reporting our activities, the bad experiences are bound to come out of the woodwork? Just rhetorical questions, I suppose.

I, for one, have had my own challenges this week. I'd set three M&Gs this week in the hope of replenishing my little black book. The first went extremely well, culminating in my first ever first-date FC visit. The report is earlier in this thread.

The other two didn't go so well. In fact, they didn't go at all. I reported on Wednesday that my date for Tuesday never showed. Today's scheduled M&G was cancelled when the girl was called in to work a double shift to cover for a sick coworker. We've been trying to find an agreeable time for two weeks now, so I'm pessimistic we'll ever meet. In fact, I have another browser window open to SA at this very moment as I look for new prospects.

For all my troubles this week, though, I still had an unbelievable night with my 18yo HYB who is quickly approaching ATF status. We haven't been together long enough for her to earn that title yet, but there's very little (if anything) about her that I don't like.

Last night was an overnight, and HYB has been begging me for a while to take her a strip club. Because she's under 21, our choices were severely limited, but the one that allows 18-year-olds was perfect for a first timer, anyway. It's relatively no pressure, not rowdy (even though located in a college town), and pretty inexpensive. I've been a number of times when I was a club newbie, but I haven't been to this particular club in more than a year.

We had a great time. She saw her first naked women, which I think was pretty eye-opening for her, as she identifies as bi-curious, even though she's never more than kissed another girl. And it turned out to be a nice night for talent, as most were young, natural coed beauties. She also got her first lap dance, and the dancer was totally cool, allowing HYB to touch at will. I was there too, of course, and it was hot to watch. At one point, the dancer buried her head in HYB's lap, stuck her ass in my face, and grabbed HYB's tits in her hands. Afterward, HYB told me the dancer was tonguing her through her shorts. Very nice.

Needless to say, the visit paid dividends back at the hotel. I am utterly exhausted today, as there was very little sleeping to speak of. When we woke up and got ready to leave, I counted six condom wrappers around the room.

To top it all off, HYB said to me at one point during the evening: "I want to watch you have sex with another girl."

I am hooked on this girl (and hoping that she has hot 18yo friends willing to play with us), so much so that I question whether I need backup babies at all. But at the end of the day, it can never hurt to have possibilities, no?

Good luck this weekend, gents.

Regards,

Joe

**EuroInCincy** · 09-21-12 09:22

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

Euro I'm sorry for you that you lost your ATF.

. It might not work out anyway but they can never say you didn't warn them.

I know it's easier said than done. All of us married SDs are cheating by nature so it gets easier to play the lie unfortunately.

Yes the point I was trying to make. Some ATF's get too attached. Funny how she accepted that there was a wive and 'entrapped' me by enticing me with a 'perfect' SB. I have to be lucky she did this, . Because she got too attached. Which would mean she would have interfered with the home front in the long run. Lucky for me the home front knows about my escapades. But it would have been still a hassle.

And as many discussion have been about this, always make sure you can get some data to use in case this happens to make her move on.

Going on the new hunt "to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before." engines at warp 3, long range scanner turned on, drop out of cloaked mode start broadcast on all frequencies.

**EasyGoingJ** · 09-21-12 08:27

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Easy,

When I plugged the number into the SA search function, I almost fell off my chair! I have business that takes me often down to Asheville, and Susie is someone that I had spent a fair amount of time emailing back and forth with, in anticipation of meeting up with her on my next visit. She then fell off the radar, but my comment that I was immune to someone in your neck of the woods was clearly a little naive. Thanks, my brother, for the invaluable intel. I see she no longer is listing in NC, but I will scrub her from my cell and contact list to make sure I don't accidentally contact her in the future. Again, a request to the brotherhood. Out these bad babies with details. We all recognize this is a different league in terms of costs and rewards, and I am guessing none of us want to lose sugar needlessly.

I am currently back in my favorite city in the south, having just driven the 11 hours it takes to get down here, and am looking forward to a week full of work, billable hours, and babies.

As always, keep up the good work, and don't forget to write.

Scott

Wow Scott,

That is quite a coincidence, but she was in Charlottesville then away for awhile, I think SC and NC and popped up back here a few weeks ago I think, now in Richmond so if the numbers match that is the one. I will always list profile numbers in the future thanks to your suggestion.

If you are in Asheville I envy you I have seen some hot profiles there over the years, not too even start on Chicago, you lucky guy.

BTW : I really enjoyed your story about the goth / punk? Type from a few months ago. That was also I great example of why I always consider when meeting a HYB that this may well be a one night stand. I have had some steady arrangements last as long as two years, but there have also been the girls I have seen from 1 to 5 times and then gone, moved, decided lifestyle not right for her, got a steady bf, just gone, etc. This is a flighty bunch esp. In the early twenties age range I prefer, although I am moving that up to the more settled 30 somethings. I even saw one baby for about 5 years on and off based on whether her current bf was doing her right, her therapist's input, finding religion or some other guilt. I learned to just lie back and wait for her to come back around.

So a tip to my brothers, if you've got that hot baby in the FC make the most of the time, do it all, try it all, depending of course on her willing and eager participation. While you will probably see her again, and I think that finding the ideal regular baby is our goal, the fact is in this world, stuff happens, and you may not. I have learned that this is just how it is and have adjusted my mindset accordingly, just as much or more fun and a whole lot less angst and regret when it ends.

**Hernando** · 09-21-12 08:10

Euro I'm sorry for you that you lost your ATF. There is a lot of game playing going on and I have to admit that I monitored my ATF last year because I didn't want her double dipping. So the bottom line is to be up front with them as to your desires and intentions. It might not work out anyway but they can never say you didn't warn them. Very early on with my ATF OAO (one and only) I still saw a few hookers and worked SDFM, but I realized that she was so perfect for me that 1) I needed all the play$$$ to see only her and 2) it wasn't worth losing what I had for an extra strange roll in the hay. It's too bad that we can't look at our wives that way. Maybe Brandy has the right idea.

I know it's easier said than done. All of us married SDs are cheating by nature so it gets easier to play the lie unfortunately.

**Spitfire** · 09-20-12 22:11

Hi Everyone,

It's been a while since I've posted, I'm happily on month 10 with my one and only SB. However, I had introduced a friend to this world. He tried both SD4Me and SA. He fell victim to the 'send me something up front' scam. I had warned him against sending money before meeting, but he let little head do his thinking. This is the first one he had even corresponded with! I'm passing on the profile IDs involved so that none of you fall victim.

SA. Profile = 1185001.

SD4Me. Profile = 2393777.

Good luck and I hope you're all doing well!