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**Ilapp** · 08-27-12 08:20

Originally Posted by FqIdiot [View Original Post]

I'm trying to make an assumption as to what happened. Sounds like the old "sure I have one on." followed by a quick removal and cream pie finish. As you rightly point out, that is shitty and I hope the provider lets everyone know that this occurred to them. If it was more extreme than that, the provider should file charges. Unfortunately, it sounds like this monger figures that the provider won't do that due to the circumstance that the 'event' occurred. Hell, if it was a simple removal of the condom without consent I think that would be sexual assault in the very least.

As everyone has beat home the point multiple times. Mongers as well as providers can make choices. If a monger is out there abusing the rights of the provider, I for one would like to know who the hell it was so that I won't provide them any intel moving forward. They should be run out of this forum if they're out there abusing the provider trust relationship that we all have to rely upon as well.

There is a can of serious worms here, evidenced by your thoughts, and the always interesting and thought provoking comment by BB, and addressed here in times past. Was I there, no, even though I too am sometimes paying to hide in the closet. None of you took me for a voyeur, that's why I'm a closet voyeur, but hobby in comfort, this is the only way I will come out of that closet. It's just me and a little JVC, not Chris Hansen and dateline in there with me, no one will be popping out, well little ilapp maybe. This provider is a pro, one of the best known and best reviewed, and although this statement may really pry open that can, she understands, in her way of thinking at least, some inherent risks and dangers come with the job, whether that thinking is correct or not, I think I have never had a provider that I knew somewhat, that didn't suffer some unwanted " abuse" whatever form it may have come in, and thought it to be inherent to the job in some way. This girl was mad, but I also know she would take his money again and trust that this time the fool won't go out into Isaac without a coat, never asked how the story " finished" because wasn't the real issue and not necessary for me to know. Once again, one of the sadder statements about all of this. At least I know she has warned those she knows to be careful with this one. Hell, for all I know, maybe it's the first time he ever did that, maybe he felt awful about it, went home and wretched and could not sleep, racked with guilt. Then again I have some girls that would love to see you if you would just like to purchase one of these fine teddy bears I happen to have.

Interesting point, I am sure we have all known a number of providers who have become pregnant while still " working", and assuming since this was a young macho kind of hobbiest, not one of us old blank shooters, and depending how the finish may have occurred, I wonder how he handles going to revisit a provider he has done this to, and she introduces him to Asshole Jr, when he comes through the door. Guess we would see how much of a man he is then wouldn't we? Might be tough to explain to Mom about her first grandchild (it is total supposition as to whether the AH in question has a mother or prior children, not inferring I would know that, just musing)

**Ilapp** · 08-27-12 07:43

Originally Posted by Puntang Man [View Original Post]

The way I read your post I thought it was Big Mack you were at odds with. He also has helped me so if I offended you not my intent. Thanks for the clarification and have a nice rest of the weekend. PTMan

Totally my fault, I couldn't see to type for the steam coming out my ears apparently, very confusing post on my part. (for some you can save it, I know the always are).

**B Beall** · 08-27-12 07:40

Originally Posted by Ilapp [View Original Post]

In a less clandestine world it rises to the level of a felony.

In this one, too, and that can't be stressed enough, especially here. You don't abandon your rights because you're doing something illegal, or "wrong" or "bad". (In fact the idea that many of us are even violating Indiana statutes, other than when we're set up by our Uncle, is debatable. A "gift" does not confer the right to make demands.) You certainly don't invite assault by technically committing a misdemeanor. That attitude should be returned to the 19th century, or the Middle Ages, where it belongs. I know, you can't depend on Leo to look out for you. But you should, at minimum, be aware that civil remedies may be available to you, and on the preponderance of evidence.

Money can be coercive. Harassment can certainly be coercive. Who other than people in the hobby should better realize that the fact that something is agreed to "between consenting adults" does not make everything neat and tidy and legal in everyone's eyes?

It's the height of ridiculousness to complain about the excesses (Super Bowl and otherwise) of Uncle Leo, then gratuitously provide him with fodder in a well-watched forum. The spread of disease is the old stalking horse of the anti-sex forces in and outside of law enforcement. It's been superseded in recent years by hyperbolical claims of sex slavery and child prostitution, but it's still there. And "a poster on an internet sex forum recently admitted that all 'hobbyists' really want to have unprotected sex, and many do" is no doubt already the pull-quote in a fundraising email from the same folks who brought flying nun brigades and anti-sex soap bars to a fleabag near you last February. If you don't know enough to keep your mouth shut, then keep your mouth shut.

And let's understand each other. It's no one else's business if you bareback consensually with someone else, but it is our business when you decide to announce it in public, and ask the rest of us to applaud you. It is our business if, in order to reach that point, you proposition fifty women you've never met, and make them feel more uncomfortable, and more fearful of their safety, than the police do. Unless you're paying yourself for tugjobs you're not hobbying in a vacuum. And unless you're concerned with provider safety and security you're a pariah.

**Member #6963** · 08-27-12 00:49

Originally Posted by FqIdiot [View Original Post]

I'm trying to make an assumption as to what happened.

Why make an assumption. Who cares what is assumed. It's what happened and privacy to the offended is more important. What happened exactly is not the point. Why can't some of you get it. When did NO, mean Yes. Why doesn't NO mean NO. Accidents happen, but at the moment of it happening and NO is used then choice is taken away. When sexual activity is discussed or happening it's two choices that have to come to consent. I don't care whether it's a constant harrassing request, a request during a session that previously was NO, or it was forced without a request and consent was not involved when the previous answer was NO. I don't care what the activity is water sports, BBBJ, COB or any other activity. Don't take choice away.

Ilapp is right, this had nothing to do with Big Mac and making assumptions that it did is as wrong as taking away choice. I hope the hobbyist involved knows that he took choice away and has learned from this.

FF.

PS. They key is respect to all ladies even if they don't have freckles.

**PillowTalk69** · 08-26-12 16:49

Originally Posted by Ilapp [View Original Post]

I know Big Mack, and he has helped me before, I don' t have any quarter with him. This story has nothing to do with him, those he has seen, it was not him that was needing a referral and and Miss Pie likes to hear herself in print more than I must. As I wrote, the situation I referred to was coincidentally linked to this current topic. The jerk who posts here in question will remain un-named as long as I don't hear of him pulling the shit again. I was asked just to warn providers I know of what he did and for them to be cautious / prepared. I apologize if I wasn't clear enough and I trust BM understood I wasn't referring to him. As I said, anything a provider and client agree to is fine with me, but I can't stand assholes who go beyond those boundaries when they have been clearly expressed. I imagine most of us at some point have gotten caught up in the moment and gone places we didn't see coming, but that we went there was by mutual consent is the key. There are providers out there that will accept any sort of request, irregardless of danger, depravity, or violence. If that is what you desire, then find those that will agree and good luck to all involved, but just because you throw some cash down you have no license to go beyond the wishes and limits expressed by your provider. In a less clandestine world it rises to the level of a felony.

The way I read your post I thought it was Big Mack you were at odds with. He also has helped me so if I offended you not my intent. Thanks for the clarification and have a nice rest of the weekend. PTMan

**Bfeguy** · 08-26-12 14:52

Originally Posted by Lion7170 [View Original Post]

Alexa Cordae contacted me to say she is visiting today. See her if you can.

Had a 12 noon appt with her on Friday and she sent me an email saying she wasnt coming to Indy because she was sick. Hmmm.

I hope that if she didn't want to meet that she would have just said so.

**FqIdiot** · 08-26-12 12:01

Originally Posted by Ilapp [View Original Post]

There are providers out there that will accept any sort of request, irregardless of danger, depravity, or violence. If that is what you desire, then find those that will agree and good luck to all involved, but just because you throw some cash down you have no license to go beyond the wishes and limits expressed by your provider. In a less clandestine world it rises to the level of a felony.

I'm trying to make an assumption as to what happened. Sounds like the old "sure I have one on." followed by a quick removal and cream pie finish. As you rightly point out, that is shitty and I hope the provider lets everyone know that this occurred to them. If it was more extreme than that, the provider should file charges. Unfortunately, it sounds like this monger figures that the provider won't do that due to the circumstance that the 'event' occurred. Hell, if it was a simple removal of the condom without consent I think that would be sexual assault in the very least.

As everyone has beat home the point multiple times. Mongers as well as providers can make choices. If a monger is out there abusing the rights of the provider, I for one would like to know who the hell it was so that I won't provide them any intel moving forward. They should be run out of this forum if they're out there abusing the provider trust relationship that we all have to rely upon as well.

**Ilapp** · 08-26-12 11:18

Originally Posted by Puntang Man [View Original Post]

I believe he said he revisits ladies to see if they have changed their menu. His choice. If a lady doesn't wish to she has but to say no. Seems like at least one lady wants to according to your post since she wants your vouch to see him. Her choice. Ladies have agendas just as men do. He has also said in posts that there are more ladies on sites who do than we might imagine who do. Maybe some of the ladies who feel threatened are the ones who are afraid of public disclosure. You are a long time poster and senior and it seems improbable that any man is going to make a unilateral choice knowing his open activities to allow him to see her. Her choice. Those who know his choice can say no. Those who say yes their choice. I doubt he has harrassed anyone. Maybe a degree of uncomfortableness from revisiting ladies who post again and he asks if they have opened up a bit more. His choice. If they say no their choice. Case closed. Since I doubt you know what personally transpired because you weren't there then it becomes a matter of his choice to play multiple ways and styles which he has indicated he does, and their choice to say I only play this way. He does have the choice to revisit future posts to ask if their menu has changed I would think and that in no way constitutes harrassment. At least one lady well known has defended him Kinky Broad and you say you have another who says he is a good guy. If she is well respected then rethink your stance. I would if I were you but then I have much less time and experience on USASG than you. I would think people who harrass and persue it would not have two well known providers who stand behind him one who has stated he has revisited her to see if she has openned up and she said no and that ended that. Doesn't seem like a pushy harrassing "asshole" that you paint on here but Just like you weren't there for the whole situation, neither was I. Just my 02 cents and no attempt to start a pissing war.

I know Big Mack, and he has helped me before, I don' t have any quarter with him. This story has nothing to do with him, those he has seen, it was not him that was needing a referral and and Miss Pie likes to hear herself in print more than I must. As I wrote, the situation I referred to was coincidentally linked to this current topic. The jerk who posts here in question will remain un-named as long as I don't hear of him pulling the shit again. I was asked just to warn providers I know of what he did and for them to be cautious / prepared. I apologize if I wasn't clear enough and I trust BM understood I wasn't referring to him. As I said, anything a provider and client agree to is fine with me, but I can't stand assholes who go beyond those boundaries when they have been clearly expressed. I imagine most of us at some point have gotten caught up in the moment and gone places we didn't see coming, but that we went there was by mutual consent is the key. There are providers out there that will accept any sort of request, irregardless of danger, depravity, or violence. If that is what you desire, then find those that will agree and good luck to all involved, but just because you throw some cash down you have no license to go beyond the wishes and limits expressed by your provider. In a less clandestine world it rises to the level of a felony.

**PillowTalk69** · 08-26-12 06:04

Originally Posted by Ilapp [View Original Post]

Such a thing as coincidence? First there is the current topic of choice and all, and then a certain name comes at me twice this week. First, from an old friend who wanted to know if I could vouch for you, then later from another friend, one who told you she didn't play a certain way, her "choice", but then you proceeded to force the issue. What gave you that right asshole? Fortunately for you a couple of other friends tell me they did not have that issue with you. Otherwise it would be no joke when Sean Connery asks Alex for the category," Therapists for $200" and your pic appears behind the card. I really don't give a shit what two people, even if they are just "professional" friends, decide to do with each other, as long as it is both of their "choices", not one made unilaterally. That sir, was totally out of line, fair warning. You have dishonored yourself and those who you supposedly serve with and for.

I believe he said he revisits ladies to see if they have changed their menu. His choice. If a lady doesn't wish to she has but to say no. Seems like at least one lady wants to according to your post since she wants your vouch to see him. Her choice. Ladies have agendas just as men do. He has also said in posts that there are more ladies on sites who do than we might imagine who do. Maybe some of the ladies who feel threatened are the ones who are afraid of public disclosure. You are a long time poster and senior and it seems improbable that any man is going to make a unilateral choice knowing his open activities to allow him to see her. Her choice. Those who know his choice can say no. Those who say yes their choice. I doubt he has harrassed anyone. Maybe a degree of uncomfortableness from revisiting ladies who post again and he asks if they have opened up a bit more. His choice. If they say no their choice. Case closed. Since I doubt you know what personally transpired because you weren't there then it becomes a matter of his choice to play multiple ways and styles which he has indicated he does, and their choice to say I only play this way. He does have the choice to revisit future posts to ask if their menu has changed I would think and that in no way constitutes harrassment. At least one lady well known has defended him Kinky Broad and you say you have another who says he is a good guy. If she is well respected then rethink your stance. I would if I were you but then I have much less time and experience on USASG than you. I would think people who harrass and persue it would not have two well known providers who stand behind him one who has stated he has revisited her to see if she has openned up and she said no and that ended that. Doesn't seem like a pushy harrassing "asshole" that you paint on here but Just like you weren't there for the whole situation, neither was I. Just my 02 cents and no attempt to start a pissing war.

**BagoHammer1** · 08-26-12 00:25

I had an appointment to see Bella Donna today. Her previous monger wouldn't leave and I waited for way too long in the lot. I'm a moron for waiting as long as I did. She was texting me the whole time that this guy wouldn't leave. Bah. Wanker. I have no idea if I will reschedule. I'll post a review if I do.

**Ilapp** · 08-25-12 08:32

Such a thing as coincidence? First there is the current topic of choice and all, and then a certain name comes at me twice this week. First, from an old friend who wanted to know if I could vouch for you, then later from another friend, one who told you she didn't play a certain way, her "choice", but then you proceeded to force the issue. What gave you that right asshole? Fortunately for you a couple of other friends tell me they did not have that issue with you. Otherwise it would be no joke when Sean Connery asks Alex for the category," Therapists for $200" and your pic appears behind the card. I really don't give a shit what two people, even if they are just "professional" friends, decide to do with each other, as long as it is both of their "choices", not one made unilaterally. That sir, was totally out of line, fair warning. You have dishonored yourself and those who you supposedly serve with and for.

**Southernbred** · 08-24-12 22:12

I had a recent encounter with one of our local favorite providers. She was very casual and made me feel very comfortable and relaxed. I had a very good time and will repeat. To keep her UTR, I won't go into any more details right now. Senior members can PM for details.

**B Beall** · 08-24-12 08:57

What a broke-down, swaybacked nag that horse has become (not here in this thread so much as the culture at large, where "freedom" and "unfettered license" have become synonymous, and good luck getting through your next intersection because the guy turning left from the opposite direction has made the "choice" to pay attention to his phone, not his driving).

You're free to consider every physical possibility a possible "choice"; you're even free, apparently, to imagine that science is amenable to your emotional needs. But unless you're barebacking yourself you're not free to make that decision on your own, and that would include gaining consent via coercion, or from someone who isn't competent to grant consent. In Indiana you could be subject to civil or criminal penalties, including serious felonies, as a result of unprotected sex, consensual or no.

The point is not that you can't be sensibly fluid-bonded to another person. The point is that sensibility requires clear-headed thinking, and at least as much concern for safety as condom use does. And no one argues that you can't play Russian Roulette with STDs, assuming you find someone willing to share the barrel. But that's different from coming here and demanding that everyone else share your logic, and hold it in artificial esteem as a "choice". It's Safe and Sane and Consensual, and like the man said,"Consential" is not the most important leg of a three-legged stool.

By the way, I know it's seen better days, but this is the Escort forum; surely there are better places to argue for, and seek out, women who will take complete leave of their senses, assuming they had any to begin with.

**BigMack** · 08-24-12 07:57

Originally Posted by Freckle Freak [View Original Post]

Choice: Mack does come with references (but I don't see him).

Choice: Your menu does not accomodate what he has in mind.

Choice: I certainly would have no problem giving him the time of day if I were a different type of person.

All of these are your choices. My choice is not to see you just like your choice is not to see him. His choice is to look for what he wants on the menu. This is ok because it is his choice. All of these are choices. But since you don't know the facts into how Mickey D goes about searching for his choices then how can you attack me. My point was everyone has a choice, until someone takes the choice away. Providers have a hard enough time dealing with everything in the business, so I have a tough time with hobbyists trying to take choice away from them. If you don't like the menu then move on to the next restaurant. Don't keep going into Mickey D's and harassing them into becoming Taco Bell.

What is even more amazing is what you said in the post just before this one. Please read what you type before you write about others.

I guess it's time for this rude, dipshit, Lord of the Flies in the jungle to go jerk off and find the new board named "School For Retarded Wayward Boys".

FF.

PS. I hope this School has some freckled female teachers, because I don't like boys. Unless of course they are doing a freckled teacher and I'm hiding in the closet.

You would be wrong sir. First I don't understand how I get involved in a thread about someone else. I have made no secret about my play likes and I express those when I contact a lady who asks me what I like. My responses are varies like so many on here. I have times when I seek out skilled French lady, or a lady who loves to speak Russian or other activities. If my likes are not her skills, I don't harrass anyone. I do revist a lady at times to see if her menu is changed however I NEVER harrass her if she doesn't like my Mickey D's philosophy of have it your way. Most of my hobbying is and has been of the standard type but if a lady wishes to accommodate me I won't turn her down provided she is a well known and respected lady in the hobby with good vouches from other clients or has sterling reviews. I don't force my beliefs on anyone, never have and don't plan to start now. What I really don't understand is how I got dragged into this thread about someone elses actions and activities. If I have offended ladies my sincere apologies. If they became offended because of my likes, not much I can do about that. I have a wide and diverse menu with the exceptions of the trip to Athens. Not my thing. There are too many ways to get what is needed to get stuck or fixated on one. I don't criticize others choices of activities, never have and never will, and would ask the same respect from the community. If someone wants to become judge and jury over others activities I guess that is their prerogative. I chose to let well enough alone and meet my needs. Thanks for reading and have a "happy" weekend.