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[Forth Ryte]

Back around the early part of the Summer, there was discussion here that the 24/25th Precints were getting tougher for mongers that the 26th. Or was it that the 26th was getting tougher for mongers that the 24th/25th?

Who can enlighten me whiich side of the line is to be avoided?

PM OK.

Forth Ryte

[Miami Boy]

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[Roadtrip2011]

If you want to see what she looks like here is a link:

Http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/at...3&d=1316987073

She looks pretty good. Got to love the ones that help the (mentally challenged) guys like me!

My boy got me a smart phone and it was probably one of the dumbest things he coulda done fer me. A for the effort though.

Again, seriously, thanks.

Be safe out there!

[Sam Iam]

Getting confirmation that I really am part idiot!

Thanks

If you want to see what she looks like here is a link:

Http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/at...3&d=1316987073

[Roadtrip2011]

Take a look at the date of that post. That'll tell you why it's not up anymore.

Getting confirmation that I really am part idiot!

Thanks

[Old Delinquent]

Trying to check out the attachment. But I'm part, mostly maybe, idiot on my dads side. And can't get it to work! A little help for the puter illiterate please!

Thanks and be safe

Take a look at the date of that post. That'll tell you why it's not up anymore.

[Roadtrip2011]

Anybody wishing to contact Melissa USASexGuide. Info / forum / attachment. Php? Attachmentid=146973&the=1316987073.

She has asked me to give you her phone digits. Just PM me and I'll send them.

Trying to check out the attachment. But I'm part, mostly maybe, idiot on my dads side. And can't get it to work! A little help for the puter illiterate please!

Thanks and be safe

[Member #4318]

I have a few new UTR girls that I found in various places the past few months. If someone has some UTR girls I willing to trade info.

[Gator145]

Anybody wishing to contact Melissa USASexGuide. Info / forum / attachment. Php? Attachmentid=146973&the=1316987073.

She has asked me to give you her phone digits. Just PM me and I'll send them.

[CookyJar]

Oh come on now! SAY IT AIN'T SO! LOL I think we all know better here: no one is soliciting acts of prostitution. Nah, we are all amateur photogs who take pictures of the girls, and THEN, if consenting adults happen to decide to play, "after the film is in the can," well then who is to say something untold occurred? Best I can tell there is no crime in hiring a woman to dance for you, pose, strip or clean yer windows. But I must say, my charm and looks must be the deciding factor as to why so many of these girls end up playing with me? Er, right? VBG!

No one should assume that just because we discuss prostitution or any act, that we are actual participants in prostitution or said acts. Being a law abiding American citizen, I would in no way promote prostitution or solicitation. I totally agree with you, good looks, with, charm and an persuasive personality goes a long way in getting women to play the game.

In all seriousness. You are welcome. Glad to be able to pay back, in some miniscule way, all that you have done and do here!

Every so often I am amazed by the fact that even after over 5 years of posting here, there are still things that I can learn as a member of this forum. Thanks again.

Well, not exactly a GF or a wife. That is where the understanding falls apart

Maybe the misunderstanding lay in what we define as a girlfriend or wife. LOL.

Most SWers welcome sugar daddies and regulars, to support their habits, but they are not looking for husbands or boyfriends. Most UTR may be advertising for one thing, but, underneath it all, they want what most regular type women want – a man. The UTR may claim otherwise, but I say; if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and wants to be treated like a duck – it's a duck. She has a regular job; like a girlfriend would have, she has a nice home; like a girlfriend would have, She wants help feeding her kids; like a girlfriend would want, she needs help paying her rent; like a girlfriend would need and she takes your money like a girlfriend would – sounds like a duck to me.

Men and women see things from their own strange prospective. You may see her as an UTR girl. Does she see you as an UTR guy? In order for her to think of you as a client, she'd first have to admit that she is a provider, a sex worker. No! She is not telling her friends about the guy she got by advertizing on CraigsList. You are her secret lover. In all likelihood, in her mind you are someone who could potentially be a number one boyfriend (if she already has a number one, you are second or third in line for the throne).

A Case in Study: A few years back a group of co-workers went out to celebrate. At the end of the night, Mr. X and Miss. X ended up spending the night together. They both agreed that they had enjoyed each other's company. They agreed that it would be nice having someone to have a few drinks with, maybe attend the occasional function with, without formal ties or commitments. They also agreed that neither one wanted to be in a relationship beyond friendship. In short, Mr X and Mrs X agreed that neither wanted a girlfriend and boyfriend relationship.

Shortly after that first night Miss. X called Mr. X to see how he was doing. They'd sometimes have lunch together on the job. Miss. X Called on Mr. X to take her grocery shopping. Then Miss. X asked Mr. X to purchase tickets to and attend her daughter's recital. Mr. X gets a late night call to rescue Miss. X whose car had a flat tire. Mr. X helps Miss X move some furniture. Then, Miss X's daughter gets sick at school and Mr. X is called by Miss X and asked if he would mind picking up her sick daughter. When Mr. X arrives at the daughter's school he has no problem picking her up because to his surprise he is listed as an emergency contact.

Two months after the original conversation Mr. X reminds Miss X of that conversation and how they had both agreed that neither of them wanted to be in a boyfriend / girlfriend relationship and how it seems as if he is now performing all of the duties / things a boyfriend normally does and is therefore a boyfriend and that this is not the type of relationship he had suggested or thought he was entering. Miss. X is highly insulted, breaks off their friendship (whatever it was) and stops speaking to Mr. X altogether.

What Mr. X wanted was a girl he could take to the movies when he didn't want to go alone. What Mr. X wanted was someone to have on his arm when going out with other friends and their wives. Mr. X wanted (and thought he was getting) a female friend without the duties of a boyfriend. What he got was a Bytch I ended-up having to fire. Men and women see things differently. What you see as under the radar, she sees as potential.

Actually, the benefit of the UTR girl is that worrying about her kids, meeting her parents or or other things that get into her personal life are off limits. They don't want you in their business.

Yeah! That's what they all say, at first. If the right catch comes along and the situation is right, you'll be sitting at this year's Thanksgiving Day table.

I would think that what makes a girl a true UTR girl is her method of advertizing. That; and her availability to the general public. Girls flying about the radar are easy to spot and easy to pick-up. They are available to the average monger. Girls like Chela And Jewels, although they are known participants, are pretty near impossible for the average guy to find – because they do not show-up on the average guys ho-dar. Even after seeing their pictures and even if they saw either girl in person, I would doubt whether the average monger could get a date with either Chela And Jewels – they don't date without references. Furthermore, as far as quality goes, I would put both Chela And Jewels up against any UTR girl when it comes to looks or service.

CookyJar

[Chopper269]

To me, it is all in the hunt to find something new. Reminds me of Christmas when you reach for the present (SW) and eagerly unwrap it so you can play with what is inside. It's fun because it is new and it is yours LOL at least for the new few minutes it is yours LOL. I do try to stay with some of the fine finds however they all seem to share one of two problems. One is that they seem to lose cell phones and or minutes like it's cool. Two they go and visit with uncle Leo and stay at his place for awhile. Plus I do car dates since I am too cheap for hotel or nice pad like cookyjar. So I do not get pics plus my dates are not up for the pic thing and I am too far for you guys to take advantage since I am in Reading. But thanks for all the great pics and info you guys give. I think I may have to come to Philly and try hunting there soon.

Be safe,

Chopper

[Cephlapod Love]

Too my mind, prostitution is defined as the providing of sexual favors for money. Any girl who accepts money for a sexual act is dealing in prostitution and is hence; a prostitute (a pro). Whether she does it part-time, under the radar or just for rent does not matter.

Oh come on now! SAY IT AIN'T SO! LOL I think we all know better here: no one is soliciting acts of prostitution. Nah, we are all amateur photogs who take pictures of the girls, and THEN, if consenting adults happen to decide to play, "after the film is in the can," well then who is to say something untold occurred? Best I can tell there is no crime in hiring a woman to dance for you, pose, strip or clean yer windows. But I must say, my charm and looks must be the deciding factor as to why so many of these girls end up playing with me? Er, right? VBG!

Having said the above, I want to thank both "Cephlapod Love" and "Sam I Am" for helping to clear up the UTR girl concept for me.

In all seriousness. You are welcome. Glad to be able to pay back, in some miniscule way, all that you have done and do here!

UTR girl (if I understand you correctly) is basically the same as a "Real Girlfriend," without the commitment. It does not matter where you find her, in a local bar, a chat room, the supermarket, strip club, family reunion, your sister's wedding, craigslists, or if she is passed to you in a sex forum. She provides what you want and you provide the amount she needs. There is no love lost. You can take her to dinner, watch her kids and meet her parents. She'll wash your car, paint your house and walk the dog. You can come and go as you please and she fucks others as needed. Everything is done in private, discreetly and under the radar.

Now you are getting it! I just got to work on getting them to paint the house or walk the dog. Er, I'd never watch her kids or meet her parents. Don't want that level of "attachment" or what that would imply.

Darn it! If a UTR girl doesn't sound a lot like what some guys would call a wife or girlfriend after being together for awhile.

ROFLMBAO.

CookyJar

Well, not exactly a GF or a wife. That is where the understanding falls apart. Actually, the benefit of the UTR girl is that worrying about her kids, meeting her parents or or other things that get into her personal life are off limits. They don't want you in their business. While I know a few guys get sucked in and cross the line {Rule # XXX: Never fall in love with a sexworker}, anything personal is off limits. I mean think back to your encounter with Jewles. She sounds like the perfect UTR girl. Other than it would be hard to debate she is still UTR since appearing on the CJ Photo pages.

I guess a key difference is the quality tends to be better- highest end of SW scale or higher. In addition, drugs and what goes with it are not usually a factor. The girl often has a very nice place and hosts so the hassles of getting a room or dealing with the joys of le Hotel Carlyle are off the table. Maybe from your perspective it is more akin to what you think of as an escort?

That said, your response triggers something I have been wondering about, since the difference in style became apparent through this discussion. I am kind or curious about why you do what your do? Is there a joy in the hunt for finding new girls all of the time? Is it a drive to find 'strange? ' A motivation of opportunity? Why when one finds a true gem on a SW scale. Why not hang on to her? [ all of the flakiness of the street aside. ] Aren't repeat dates better as some comfort is established on both sides? Isn't it better not having the hassle of negotiations and possible rip-offs or whackos?

Maybe there is no real difference here, just different sides of the same coin? Can't say anyone style or approach is better than another. Just each finds his own comfort zone / style.

Doesn't have to be CJ only who responds. Just looking to better understand a different approach.

[CookyJar]

…Most of the utr girls I have found or developed are not interested in being "pro" or out there. They will see only a very few guys, if any other than you. If they need more than one guy can give, they usually prefer to develop their own contacts.

Too my mind, prostitution is defined as the providing of sexual favors for money. Any girl who accepts money for a sexual act is dealing in prostitution and is hence; a prostitute (a pro). Whether she does it part-time, under the radar or just for rent does not matter.

Having said the above, I want to thank both "Cephlapod Love" and "Sam I Am" for helping to clear up the UTR girl concept for me.

… UTR women generally live fairly normal lives whether or not they have a SO. Most have normal jobs and are like the gal next door. They chose who they want to see and want guys who will see them on a consistent basis. They don't want the world to know what they are doing. It is normally a very discreet encounter.

A UTR girl (if I understand you correctly) is basically the same as a "Real Girlfriend," without the commitment. It does not matter where you find her, in a local bar, a chat room, the supermarket, strip club, family reunion, your sister's wedding, craigslists, or if she is passed to you in a sex forum. She provides what you want and you provide the amount she needs. There is no love lost. You can take her to dinner, watch her kids and meet her parents. She'll wash your car, paint your house and walk the dog. You can come and go as you please and she fucks others as needed. Everything is done in private, discreetly and under the radar.

Darn it! If a UTR girl doesn't sound a lot like what some guys would call a wife or girlfriend after being together for awhile.

ROFLMBAO.

CookyJar

[Sam Iam]

Tradable commodity? LOL! Got a kick out of one's terminology.

Most of the utr girls I have found or developed are not interested in being "pro" or out there. They will see only a very few guys, if any other than you. If they need more than one guy can give, they usually prefer to develop their own contacts. I have had several utr girls that I knew needed more help and tried to help them out with referrals, but alas, [as you well know] fellow mongers can be a bit flakey and often let you down. I'm not about to jeopardize a good thing on a whim. Only a few will cross the line from UTR to "pro." But, I prefer a low mileage girl who is far from the drug scene and more careful about her business.

I have seen many discussion on various threads about what is the proper definition of an utr girl. Certainly anyone who walks the street does not qualify. Certainly anyone with a picture out there on CL, BP or other escort sites does not qualify. Generally, I think there is a line there somewhere, and it is a bit fuzzy as to when a girl is "out there" and thus considered pro: It has to do with advertising and at what regularity. Look, if a girl supports herself by "flat backing" or supports a habit, IMHO she ain't no utr girl. But as I said, this definition is one of much opinion and debate!

UTR girls come to this through a number of channels and methods. Usually it is needing funds for their kids, but a few I have met were doing it just for the kicks. Think the power it gives them, the ego boost that comes from getting paid. Those kind are looking for good sex, and as such are A LOT of work. Many think the money is easy, but aren't able to handle the guilt or scars to their conscience and soon wash out.

Also the utr game is more like a "real date" than just an pick up on the street. While the out come might be the same, the utr girl usually wants to be treated like a short-term GF, than a pick up "date." More towards an escort encounter than a SW. These girls, in many cases want to use the illusion of "dating" as a way to deny to themselves that they are escorting. One never talks about money, it is more about 'help."

I think what appeals to those in the SW realm is filling a need, as it arises. Also the primal hunt when the game is so dangerous certainly is some of the appeal? But treat a true utr girl like a SW and you'll have a one-off date. They want a nice time while getting some "help!" These girls come from all walks of life! Oh the stories I could tell!

So the hunt for utr is different and the rewards are different. Also, the pricing is usually more in line with escorts than SWs.

Different strokes for different folks.

Excellent description, UTR women generally live fairly normal lives whether or not they have a SO. Most have normal jobs and are like the gal next door. They chose who they want to see and want guys who will see them on a consistent basis. They don't want the world to know what they are doing. It is normally a very discreet encounter.

UTR: Advantanges- Good steady sex, safer woman, safer situation, less drama (definitely less than a real girlfriend) , less bs (definitely less than many SWs) and pricing can be good. My pricing experience is that they want more than a SW, but look for less than an escort. If a UTR wants escort prices move on, its not worth it. In this economy there are many fish in the sea.

UTR Disadvantages- The same woman might get boring, you might miss the hunt and she might not have all the skills a pro has.

In my honest opinion: The UTR is a good in the right situation and for the right person.

[Cephlapod Love]

Just a few discrete shots of some of my utr play list.