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**Cephlapod Love** · 07-20-12 09:14

Originally Posted by CookyJar [View Original Post]

I have been doing this for awhile. I have learned to be skeptical.

I don't do dates from Backpage, CriagsList, Strip Clubs, or massage parlors. Maybe that is why my list of UTR girls is so short. In fact of all the girls I have known, only two come to mind, who might qualify as flying under the radar. Chela And Jewels (aka Brittany) Are two girls who it may be rather hard for the average guy to find. So I understand the basic concept.

After giving it more thought, I now can conceive of how one might accumulate a group of UTR girls from chat lines, CraigLists and other sources. My only remaining question is: How does a UTR girl become a tradable commodity?

IMHO a better term would be,"Part Timer." It would not be my first choice but I would even prefer the term,"Non-Pro." Again! This is just my own personal opinion.

CookyJar

Tradable commodity? LOL! Got a kick out of one's terminology.

Most of the utr girls I have found or developed are not interested in being "pro" or out there. They will see only a very few guys, if any other than you. If they need more than one guy can give, they usually prefer to develop their own contacts. I have had several utr girls that I knew needed more help and tried to help them out with referrals, but alas, [as you well know] fellow mongers can be a bit flakey and often let you down. I'm not about to jeopardize a good thing on a whim. Only a few will cross the line from UTR to "pro." But, I prefer a low mileage girl who is far from the drug scene and more careful about her business.

I have seen many discussion on various threads about what is the proper definition of an utr girl. Certainly anyone who walks the street does not qualify. Certainly anyone with a picture out there on CL, BP or other escort sites does not qualify. Generally, I think there is a line there somewhere, and it is a bit fuzzy as to when a girl is "out there" and thus considered pro: It has to do with advertising and at what regularity. Look, if a girl supports herself by "flat backing" or supports a habit, IMHO she ain't no utr girl. But as I said, this definition is one of much opinion and debate!

UTR girls come to this through a number of channels and methods. Usually it is needing funds for their kids, but a few I have met were doing it just for the kicks. Think the power it gives them, the ego boost that comes from getting paid. Those kind are looking for good sex, and as such are A LOT of work. Many think the money is easy, but aren't able to handle the guilt or scars to their conscience and soon wash out.

Also the utr game is more like a "real date" than just an pick up on the street. While the out come might be the same, the utr girl usually wants to be treated like a short-term GF, than a pick up "date." More towards an escort encounter than a SW. These girls, in many cases want to use the illusion of "dating" as a way to deny to themselves that they are escorting. One never talks about money, it is more about 'help."

I think what appeals to those in the SW realm is filling a need, as it arises. Also the primal hunt when the game is so dangerous certainly is some of the appeal? But treat a true utr girl like a SW and you'll have a one-off date. They want a nice time while getting some "help!" These girls come from all walks of life! Oh the stories I could tell!

So the hunt for utr is different and the rewards are different. Also, the pricing is usually more in line with escorts than SWs.

Different strokes for different folks.

**Cephlapod Love** · 07-20-12 08:43

Originally Posted by JCM2767 [View Original Post]

I heard a lot about this UTRs from guys who are patrons of strip clubs. Some reports claim about stripping business being slow and these women are in need of extra cash to pay their bills, rents, etc. And so they decided to hook up with these guys to make the ends meet or whatever. But these women would only see people that they already know from previous encounter and or have already established a rapport with them. So my guess is if you're not in crowd then you're out and there's no way in with these girls unless they know you.

Just my opinion.

Er, not necessarily. As enveed pointed out there are other avenues for finding UTR girls than just strip clubs. On line is probably the most common [many different avenues], but if one has game, they can find them in line at the convenience store and elsewhere. But if one behaves appropriately at a strip club, there is no reason one can't get added to "the list" for takeout. Sure, it ain't likely to happen with one visit, but a good hunt dosen't end with the first sighting of that trophy buck either. It takes some stalking and positioning.

For me, part of the fun of utr girls is the hunt. Nothing like finding a low mileage, non-pro girl who often has a BF or SO and as such is discreet, clean and not interested in drama. Sure tough economic situations are the primary motivators for utr girls, and those don't change with the cash from one meeting. Thus finding a good one can mean months of play with a fun, safe and motivated girl. Also, if one finds the right girl, who is trustworthy, honest and safe there is a lot more available on the menu.

So look around, the utr girls are out there! Hope you find some and get to enjoy the pleasures!

**CookyJar** · 07-20-12 08:23

Originally Posted by CookyJar [View Original Post]

Chela doesn't do hard drugs. I know that is hard to believe, but it is true. I continue to warn her to stay away from main stream providers, pimps and hustlers. She continues to fly under the radar, accepting referrals only. What she really needs is a real job.

CookyJar

I have been doing this for awhile. I have learned to be skeptical.

I don't do dates from Backpage, CriagsList, Strip Clubs, or massage parlors. Maybe that is why my list of UTR girls is so short. In fact of all the girls I have known, only two come to mind, who might qualify as flying under the radar. Chela And Jewels (aka Brittany) Are two girls who it may be rather hard for the average guy to find. So I understand the basic concept.

After giving it more thought, I now can conceive of how one might accumulate a group of UTR girls from chat lines, CraigLists and other sources. My only remaining question is: How does a UTR girl become a tradable commodity?

IMHO a better term would be, "Part Timer." It would not be my first choice but I would even prefer the term, "Non-Pro." Again! This is just my own personal opinion.

CookyJar

**CookyJar** · 07-20-12 07:33

Jody, reviewd by Supereloquent (posted 10-20-10 in the Escort Classified Ads –Posted by Escorts. Section)

Originally Posted by Youknowwho [View Original Post]

My girl Jody needs a few dates this week. If you are interested in her, contact me through her and I will provide you with her info. If you want to see more of her, check her out on Supers post pages. She is well worth it!

My friend coming to town. BEST EVER (posted 06-03-08 in the Escort Classified Ads. Member Discussions – section)

Originally Posted by Youknowwho [View Original Post]

My good friend is coming to town June 22 to June 24. Shes shy but the best ever! She wanted me to put out a feeler for her on how her schedule would be. Shes a MILF who has a great head on her shoulder. Blonde, dds and an ass to die for. Shes just the best escort I've ever met. If you are interested and want to learn more, PM me. I'll get you in contact with her and send you a link to her pictures. Thanks

To: YouKnowwho,

If you are actually a monger, I apologize. I have enough enemies. I am not trying to make more. But! You've been around since 2008, posted 25 times and the only real review was on a girl standing on a corner in Florida.

I find your interest in UTR girls very interesting. You've posted a lot of information in the Escort Classified sections. Are you seeking women, flying under the radar, to add to your stable? Are you a pimp?

Again! If you are a monger, I apologize.

CookyJar

**JCM2767** · 07-19-12 20:31

Originally Posted by Lemmesee [View Original Post]

Most of the time UTR girls are not full time sex workers, it is not that she wouldn't be able to work the street, backpage, etc, she just doesn't want to, at least at the moment; I have a UTR she lives a normal life with a job an a steady boyfriend but here and there she needs extra $$ and I am willing to help her, nothing wrong with that BTW a true UTR doesn't want her info shared lightly, if she wanted more exposure she can do it herself.

I heard a lot about this UTRs from guys who are patrons of strip clubs. Some reports claim about stripping business being slow and these women are in need of extra cash to pay their bills, rents, etc. And so they decided to hook up with these guys to make the ends meet or whatever. But these women would only see people that they already know from previous encounter and or have already established a rapport with them. So my guess is if you're not in crowd then you're out and there's no way in with these girls unless they know you.

Just my opinion.

**Enveed05** · 07-19-12 17:07

Originally Posted by Lemmesee [View Original Post]

Most of the time UTR girls are not full time sex workers, it is not that she wouldn't be able to work the street, backpage, etc, she just doesn't want to, at least at the moment; I have a UTR she lives a normal life with a job an a steady boyfriend but here and there she needs extra $$ and I am willing to help her, nothing wrong with that BTW a true UTR doesn't want her info shared lightly, if she wanted more exposure she can do it herself.

I agree, UTRs usually only see a few "regulars" so to speak. I've found a couple on craigslist, however, there is a ton of spam there as well. It can be great while it lasts, working phone numbers and email addys, but the have been known to flake out on occasion (nothing new there). My experience is that they usually are just trying to make ends meet as Lemmesee suggested. Of course YMMV.

**Lemmesee** · 07-19-12 16:58

Originally Posted by CookyJar [View Original Post]

Thanks Saltydawg,

Now if someone could explain how a girls travels under the radar. Am I to assume that she isn't a street worker, does not advertise on BackPage, does not work in a strip club or in a massage parlor? I am making these assumptions because I am assuming that I would not be able to acquire this girl on my own because she is traveling under the radar.

I realize that this is a lot to assume. But! By making these assumptions, wouldn't I be right in concluding that she might not be able to make it on the streets, on Backpage, in a strip club or in a massage parlor. Might there be a reason she's traveling under the radar? Might it be a reason I may not be comfortable with?

Does the fact that she travels in some unknown dimension mean that I should assume that she has positive reviews which dwell beneath the radar in limbo.

CookyJar

Most of the time UTR girls are not full time sex workers, it is not that she wouldn't be able to work the street, backpage, etc, she just doesn't want to, at least at the moment; I have a UTR she lives a normal life with a job an a steady boyfriend but here and there she needs extra $$ and I am willing to help her, nothing wrong with that BTW a true UTR doesn't want her info shared lightly, if she wanted more exposure she can do it herself.

**Pkgman** · 07-19-12 16:28

Originally Posted by Pkgman [View Original Post]

Under the Radar.

Low profile.

Not many clients

No such thing as under the radar, if they are sucking one dick they are sucking more.

I love it when they tell me that they "don't do this full or part time and that they only do it for a select few.

That's why I love the achieve photos, like the old saying goes "a picture tells a 1000 words" or in the SW case 1000 encounters.

**Old Delinquent** · 07-19-12 09:09

Originally Posted by CookyJar [View Original Post]

Thanks Saltydawg,

This helps me a lot as far as knowing what the abbreviation stands for. Thanks!

Now if someone could explain how a girls travels under the radar. Am I to assume that she isn't a street worker, does not advertise on BackPage, does not work in a strip club or in a massage parlor? I am making these assumptions because I am assuming that I would not be able to acquire this girl on my own because she is traveling under the radar.

I realize that this is a lot to assume. But! By making these assumptions, wouldn't I be right in concluding that she might not be able to make it on the streets, on Backpage, in a strip club or in a massage parlor. Might there be a reason she's traveling under the radar? Might it be a reason I may not be comfortable with?

Does the fact that she travels in some unknown dimension mean that I should assume that she has positive reviews which dwell beneath the radar in limbo.

Should I just assume that the person making the trade offer has the same taste in woman as I?

UTR, is an ambiguous term at best. More often than not, the monger wishing to trade an UTR is asking for information on a specific girl of known qualities.

IMHO, UTR is just another way of saying – I am not sharing.

JMHO.

I don't know who,"YouKnowwho," is; but, after reading a few of his past post, I have decided against trading.

CookyJar

Heh, heh, heh. Touché on that one! Actually, though, it isn't usually that strong a classification. "UTR" usually just means "you don't hear much about her"

**CookyJar** · 07-18-12 22:32

Originally Posted by Saltydawg [View Original Post]

Hope this helps!

Actually, I first saw this used on this site, but more applicable, perhaps, under strip clubs.

Cheers SD

Thanks Saltydawg,

This helps me a lot as far as knowing what the abbreviation stands for. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Youknowwho [View Original Post]

I have lost a few of my UTR girls and I'm looking for new. I am willing to trade info of my UTR girls for yours.

Now if someone could explain how a girls travels under the radar. Am I to assume that she isn't a street worker, does not advertise on BackPage, does not work in a strip club or in a massage parlor? I am making these assumptions because I am assuming that I would not be able to acquire this girl on my own because she is traveling under the radar.

I realize that this is a lot to assume. But! By making these assumptions, wouldn't I be right in concluding that she might not be able to make it on the streets, on Backpage, in a strip club or in a massage parlor. Might there be a reason she's traveling under the radar? Might it be a reason I may not be comfortable with?

Does the fact that she travels in some unknown dimension mean that I should assume that she has positive reviews which dwell beneath the radar in limbo.

Should I just assume that the person making the trade offer has the same taste in woman as I?

UTR, is an ambiguous term at best. More often than not, the monger wishing to trade an UTR is asking for information on a specific girl of known qualities.

IMHO, UTR is just another way of saying – I am not sharing.

JMHO.

Originally Posted by Youknowwho [View Original Post]

My friend is here at an airport location and she is now booking appointments today and tomorrow for some soft massages and long sweet wet kisses. She's a delicious 51 years young! Here is a link to her pics. Or e mail her to schedule. Just put usasexguide in the subject line.

http://www.indys.com/forum/album_cat.php?cat_id=694

I don't know who, "YouKnowwho," is; but, after reading a few of his past post, I have decided against trading.

CookyJar

**Pkgman** · 07-18-12 20:11

Originally Posted by CookyJar [View Original Post]

Once again I am amiss. I know it's used a lot. In the past I've ignored it because I knew it meant something good. I cannot find it in the list of abbreviations. In the future it would be nice if guys would check the abbreviations list and not assume that we are all in tune.

What the hell is UTR? Ultra-Thin Rookie? Untrained Romancer? You Tell Me the Reason I should want to trade?

I did a google search and came up with, "Up The Rams" .

CookyJar

Under the Radar.

Low profile.

Not many clients

**Saltydawg** · 07-18-12 19:02

Originally Posted by CookyJar [View Original Post]

Once again I am amiss. I know it's used a lot. In the past I've ignored it because I knew it meant something good. I cannot find it in the list of abbreviations. In the future it would be nice if guys would check the abbreviations list and not assume that we are all in tune.

What the hell is UTR? Ultra-Thin Rookie? Untrained Romancer? You Tell Me the Reason I should want to trade?

I did a google search and came up with, "Up The Rams" .

CookyJar

Hope this helps!

Actually, I first saw this used on this site, but more applicable, perhaps, under strip clubs.

Cheers SD

**CookyJar** · 07-18-12 18:23

Originally Posted by Youknowwho [View Original Post]

I have lost a few of my UTR girls and I'm looking for new. I am willing to trade info of my UTR girls for yours.

Once again I am amiss. I know it's used a lot. In the past I've ignored it because I knew it meant something good. I cannot find it in the list of abbreviations. In the future it would be nice if guys would check the abbreviations list and not assume that we are all in tune.

What the hell is UTR? Ultra-Thin Rookie? Untrained Romancer? You Tell me the Reason I should want to trade?

I did a google search and came up with, "Up The Rams" .

CookyJar