"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**AliasSM** · 07-10-12 19:55

I've been meeting up with Nurse SB for a while now (5 meetings so far) and have been to the FC with her steadily since the second date. I meet with her again this Thursday when the warden lets me out of the house. (She has a girls night out to see that new guy stripper movie that night.) I'm really starting to look forward to seeing this SB, even though the sex has not been the knock your socks off variety as of yet. I'm hoping I can still train her to get better and more aggressive with time. I think she is around 26. My question to all of you experts is: Can you teach a SB of that age to be better in the sack? It's in her best interests because if she doesn't improve soon I will eventually start to fish again for another SB.

So what do you guys think. Is she trainable at the age or should I cut my loses and run away at this point?

Alias

**John G Smith** · 07-10-12 06:17

Originally Posted by AliasSM [View Original Post]

But there is a definite difference in the type of girl responding to SA versus CL, and to tell you the truth, I kind of miss the CL type. They are a little more down on their luck, a little more accomodating, and definitely easier on the pocketbook from my experience.

Glad its working for you. I think I will post an add today to see what comes from it.

Alias

Agreed, there is definitely a difference between SA and CL girls. In my brief of experience (just the last 9-10 months) , SA girls tend to be a little more committed to the idea of a SD / SB relationship. It's usually just the dollar amount that is the deciding factor. You got quite a few who are wannabe models and such, so you tend to run into more GSPs. Whereas with CL girls, tend to be a little more down in their luck and as you said can be a little more accommodating. However in my experience they also tend to be more flaky. Since the barrier to responding / posting to an Ad on CL is so low, you got a lot of girls who respond to ads on a lark or out of curiosity. I've had a lot of girls get cold feet on me at the last minute because they're just not ready to cross over into the land of "mutual (compensated) benefits". Add that with all the spam you'll incur, posting a CL is a TON more work than sending messages on SA. For example, I've received way more responses, photos, and exchanged txts / phone numbers with CL girls. But I've still have actually met up with more girls in person from SA. Granted I've been doing SA longer than CL ads, but if you're working with a somewhat decent budget you'll probably score at a higher percentage on SA. Still. The appeal for me lately for CL is that you can find a few girls who are appreciative if you just cover some of their basic bills. They haven't yet read all the sugarbaby blogs and the stories of SBs getting a $5, 000 allowance, new cars, and flying across the world.

Quick Update.

Officially gave up on Chastity SB. She had another moral freakout, so there's no more point in forcing the issue. In hindsight, I should have had a greater sense of urgency when she wanted to meet within the first couple of days of us corresponding. But my schedule was pretty tight that day and I figured it would be easy to reschedule another day. But the iron cooled and she just started self-doubting the whole thing. So remember to try to strike while the iron is hot.

For now, I think I'm just going to focus on Yoga SB and SB5. I really don't have the time or budget for too much else anyway.

**Magic Rat** · 07-09-12 12:10

Hello fellow Daddies,

Just a few random thoughts for another hot summer day.

CL. I've tried it with some success. Most are going to be Nando 1's, but I did hit upon a very pretty. 23 yo spinner several months ago. Unfortunately, after a couple of meetings she found a RL BF and wouldn't cheat for love nor money.

GSP girl. Let her walk! No good can come from trying to talk her down or negotiate with her. Remember the pushing on a string philosophy one of our astute members introduced. I know it's more work, but eventually it will pay off.

I had forgotten how much work this actually is. I've been removed from new baby fishing pools for a good while until recently and evidently I've either forgotten what I thought I knew, or the babies seem to have a different attitude. Almost 100% of Pots want to know upfront the amount of $ugar, and then there was the one who wanted $ugar just for a M&G. I am a persistent s. O. Be. Though and I've actually had a couple of nibbles this morning and a tentatively scheduled M&G with a HYB this afternoon. Hopefully there will be juicy details to follow.

Have a great week in the sugar bowl guys (and Mandy).

Happy trails

**AliasSM** · 07-08-12 07:27

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

I don't really have a particular form letter or post I use because depending on the day my posts just get randomly flagged and deleted. I just to mix it up and post at different times trying to avoid overzealous moderators.

A few tips though:

- Posts in the CE section will obviously have a far less chance of getting deleted. But you'll also get more spam and replies from pros / UTRs too.

- The dating sections of CL will get you more legit responses, but it may be tough keeping your ad there. Just keep trying submitting at different times if your ad keeps getting flagged. Moderators usually have routines. If your ads are getting through on Monday mornings, then release your ads those mornings.

- This is up to debate, but you don't have to renew your ad every 24 hours or so. As long as you throw in some keywords like "sugar daddy" and "generous', girls will search for those terms (at least in my area). I actually got 5 legit responses to my ad the last day before it was to expire. This tells me girls looking for sugar daddies tend to search for those terms, since browsing is just so overcrowded in the M4W sections.

Thanks John for the helpful hints. It's been 8 or 9 months since I last tried the CL approach. I think I have a pretty convincing post, but it was so hit and miss and there is so much spam to wade through that I switched to the SD / SB route earlier this year. But there is a definite difference in the type of girl responding to SA versus CL, and to tell you the truth, I kind of miss the CL type. They are a little more down on their luck, a little more accomodating, and definitely easier on the pocketbook from my experience.

Glad its working for you. I think I will post an add today to see what comes from it.

Alias

**John G Smith** · 07-07-12 22:21

Originally Posted by ChiGuy606 [View Original Post]

In the case of SA, doing something bad with the data could mean publicly posting photos of married men looking for extra action.

Also regarding SA's finances.

I believe only the guys are the ones who have to pay, so their revenue is actually more like

(1. 5mil. 10) * 50 / month.

Still a very respectable income!

I just let my membership expire on SA and immediately I got 6-7 messages and 2-3 winks. LOL.

But I don't think they were fake accounts. Instead I think SA puts profiles of recently expired members in the "featured" sections or top of the search lists briefly. This way those members get a surge of responses from real women right after their membership expired, so they're tempted to renew. Brilliant tactic.

**John G Smith** · 07-07-12 22:16

Originally Posted by AliasSM [View Original Post]

I read your recent post about your potential Chastity SB. While I think it's highly doubtful that you will ever penetrate this little religious virgin, what fun you will have trying. Keep us informed on how all of this goes. I had almost given up on the CL approach, but you now have me rethinking that strategy. We fish in much different waters being over 3000 miles apart, so you don't have to worry about competition from me. If you care to share one of your more successful CL posts with me, I'd love to see how it works in the South. PM me with any information you feel comfortable with sharing.

I don't really have a particular form letter or post I use because depending on the day my posts just get randomly flagged and deleted. I just to mix it up and post at different times trying to avoid overzealous moderators.

A few tips though:

- Posts in the CE section will obviously have a far less chance of getting deleted. But you'll also get more spam and replies from pros / UTRs too.

- The dating sections of CL will get you more legit responses, but it may be tough keeping your ad there. Just keep trying submitting at different times if your ad keeps getting flagged. Moderators usually have routines. If your ads are getting through on Monday mornings, then release your ads those mornings.

- This is up to debate, but you don't have to renew your ad every 24 hours or so. As long as you throw in some keywords like "sugar daddy" and "generous', girls will search for those terms (at least in my area). I actually got 5 legit responses to my ad the last day before it was to expire. This tells me girls looking for sugar daddies tend to search for those terms, since browsing is just so overcrowded in the M4W sections.

**Bonner** · 07-07-12 22:06

How does a guy get into the SB business. It sounds more my line and BP escorts not my style.

**Golfcart** · 07-07-12 22:02

Originally Posted by Rrguy [View Original Post]

(Edit Delete) Her "best deal for both of us" boiled down to (Edit Delete)

When a girl opens too high I firmly believe the only thing to do is get off the line and have no further conversation with her. We don't want her in the sack if she is unhappy with our number and we certainly don't want in the sack unhappy with her number. Reasoning is never an option. Women feel, they do not reason. Walk away with mouth shut is the only thing to do. Anything else is drama.

She'll figure it out.

**John G Smith** · 07-07-12 21:55

Thanks guys for the advice and tips for M&Gs!

So I actually met with a potential 22 year-old SB this week for a quasi-M&G. I'll refer to her as Yoga SB. We did our M&G at a local park that doesn't have too much activity and we went for a short hike together. If anybody saw us, I'd just say she was my exercise partner. Anyway we had some pretty good email exchanges early in the week. She wrote nice detailed emails, which was a welcome change from the usual one-liners. When I eventually brought up the per visit amount ($) , initially she balked at it. She didn't really have any good pictures, so it was hard for me to know what she really looked like. Also I was still in the glow of Chastity SB, so I felt I didn't really need to try too hard with Yoga SB.

So even though she balked at the initial offer, I gave her this whole long "Connection" speech (which I actually meant every word) about how I wanted to be with someone I had some kind of connection with, and not have everything be 100% about the money. This speech usually works pretty well with girls who don't want to feel like prostitutes even if they're asking for a lot of money initially. I then explain how the "help" or "allowance" will increase as our friendship grows. This doesn't work on NSA girls who want money quick, but it can work for girls who are looking for friends with benefits but somewhere along the line got their financial expectations warped unrealistically.

Anyway, so she agreed for $ per meet and as mentioned planned for a quasi-M&G / date at the park. When I got to the park, I was met by this 5'2" blonde hottie who was in great shape and had a nice rack! I thought to myself,"I'm getting an absolute steal!" So we walked / hiked around the park area for a little over a hour and had some excellent conversations. So I liked her personality and she was hot, only downside was that she had quite a few tattoos. I'm not big on tattoos, but at least they were coverable.

So at the end of it, I ended up giving her the sugar even though I didn't get any lovin'. I'm not sure if this was wise or not, but it was only $ and I did have a good time. I'm just a little worried that I might have put the arrangement on a platonic track since she said she might bring her dog to our next meetup at the park.

Chastity SB.

As many of you predicted, it's not really going anywhere. She hasn't had another moral freakout yet (though tomorrow is Sunday) , but things have definitely cooled down a bit. Though it's partly because my attention has been elsewhere and I stopped putting as much effort into her. I somewhat pushed for a meet and she just kept giving me a non-committal,"we'll meet soon". So I started to lose hope and began focusing on other prospects.

SB5.

I've been seeing this sugar baby for the past couple of months. She's 19 and lives at home, and it's purely NSA. We basically do a car date every other week. I could definitely see her becoming an escort in a year or two if she can't stay in school. She's pretty much the only SB thus far I've had where the allowance per visit is based on the specific playtime activities we'll do. We don't have much of a connection, but she's nearby and convenient, and has a tight petite body. Basically it's like seeing an escort, but getting much more mileage. Though this past week, she asked to see me a second time right after I saw her the previous night. This gave me "Nando1" warning signs, so I low-balled her and basically discouraged the consecutive nightly meet. If we had more of a connection, I probably wouldn't have minded, but I want to keep her at 1-2 week intervals.

I've also been talking to a potential SB who responded to my CL ad, which was about to expire. Things were going pretty well for a couple of days because she seemed like a nice normal girl and someone who would have realistic / modest expectations for an allowance. But then last night she mentioned she actually met with another SD earlier in the day who offered her 3000 per month for just a few hotel meetups. She said she turned him down because "she wasn't a prostitute", but if she supposedly met with an SD who offered her that much money, then I don't want to enter an arrangement with her with that in the shadows. Then again like the previous poster said, it could probably be a bluff and even if it is, it means she has unrealistic expectations and is trying to game me. There's too many other SBs out there for the picking to get caught up in this. So I think I'm going to move on.

So my SB stock portfolio isn't looking as good as it was a couple of weeks ago. Yoga SB has potential, but I don't really have a primary SB at the moment. SB5 is just a backup / hookup SB who gave me a "nando1" scare this week. The rest are just work in progress.

Oh the roller coaster ride of the SB scene. I'm tempted to post a new CL ad, but I'm going to wait and see how things play out with Yoga SB first.

**Donwhite** · 07-07-12 19:23

Hi,

Longtime lurker first time poster. I'm in Nashville not very far away from you and I have to say there is not much talent in Tennessee on SeekingArrangement. I've had no luck in TN, but I've had a few successes in Alabama, Virginia, and Florida. I've had to fly the girls from Florida and Virginia up, but the girls from Alabama drove up to me willingly. It's a hard, frustrating process. I've been flaked on and scammed countless times. I'm 4 for 4 in meets to FC ratio, but I'm 28 and younger than most guys on the site and that probably works to my advantages in some ways and it's a disadvantage in other ways. The babies are always very skeptical in why I'm 28 and on the site, but I'm a single workaholic who lives alone and my crazy work schedule makes it hard for me to have normal relationships and I have to say I've enjoyed wading through the sugar pool so far.

Originally Posted by Rrguy [View Original Post]

Gentlemen.

I have been following this forum religiously and practicing the lessons in Knoxville, Tennessee. I have even posted some of my results here previously. Recently I have had a real WTF moment. Some of this Scott knows, as I sought his advice; the real WTF is new, however.

My most recent SB candidate has been a 21-year old college student. Bright, but seemingly a reserved personality. Wanted to take it slow, so I did. Suddenly got bored cause I was going slow, and hit me with negotiations. Her "best deal for both of us" boiled down to $500 / month allowance, sliding scale for FC visits: $100 for above the waist, $300 for oral, $500 for intercourse;"obviously" the lesser steps are included oh the higher, and I understand the full Monty to be pretty much whatever I want, multiple hours / pops. Needless to say, I was stunned. The economy isn't great, and this is Knoxville, for God's sake, not NYC or LA! I was horrified, shocked. And, admittedly, a little crushed as I had already put in time, money and effort with nothing to to show at that point.

Anyway, I tried it once last weekend instead of running like hell. I know, fool and his money, right? So I'm in for 1/2 of the monthly plus a full visit. It was "meh", so I wrote her, told her so, said we needed to talk, figure out if we were going to continue, cause the whole youth-texting, lack of conversation, uninterested attitude wasn't worth it to me.

So she emails me back last night, and I said WTF. She says if I really wanted unlimited time with her, everything, no pay as you go, she would expect. Are you ready. $5000 / month! I've never seen any that gold-plated!

Here's another one that really pisses me off. She said some guy, and I assume he's either in Knoxville or close, offered her $1500 for the first visit, drinks and lots of sex, $1200 per visit after that, at least twice a week!

It's one thing to have and use money. Its another to totally ruin the economic scale for everyone else in the area! If I had money to burn I would use it. I use what I have, but this is ridiculous!

Any suggests how to get the word out to whomever is fucking things up in Knoxville? I'm posting something similar to this in the final board, but I don't have any idea if this guy will see it.

**Zman429** · 07-07-12 19:13

Originally Posted by Rrguy [View Original Post]

Gentlemen.

I have been following this forum religiously and practicing the lessons in Knoxville, Tennessee. I have even posted some of my results here previously. Recently I have had a real WTF moment. Some of this Scott knows, as I sought his advice; the real WTF is new, however.

It was meh. .

Dude you need to learn something real fast and that's the word "Next" you aren't going to change her or attitude to your liking all you can do is say I want a mind blowing experience and I'm willing to do $xxx then she makes her decision if it's no you move on if the experience isn't good move on, note sometimes the baby is nervous and next time might be better

**F Scott** · 07-07-12 18:46

Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon [View Original Post]

She could be bullshitting you about the other guy.

Hugh,

Are you a lurker with intel to contribute? If so, welcome to the Bowl. Wherever you are from, your insights, experience and wisdom are appreciated. Please post up.

Best,

Scott.

PS. Funny name!

**F Scott** · 07-07-12 18:41

RR,

The beauty of the internet is that we can say whatever we want, and not have to prove a word of it. This little fish is nothing but bad news. She can say what she likes about other offers, but my question would then be,"why are you even continuing to talk to me?" When they get better offers, they just disappear, with nary a backwards glance. I believe she is trying to play you, my brother, and if it were me, I would disappear on her.

Let her go politely but unequivocaly, and move on. There will be more babies coming along soon. Maybe you might need to look at widening your horizons. I have had great luck in Lexington and especially Atlanta, which I believe are not far from you, if memory serves. This may have been your first baby, but I promise you it won't be your last. Have faith in yourself, polish your game, and understand this is nowhere near the same as picking up your cell and calling an escort. It takes effort, there are more dead ends, false hopes, and arrangements that fall through at the last minute, but when you finally score, you score big.

Keep at it, my friend, but my sense is that she is a stripper or someone else on the perifery of the business, and she is just trying to milk you for all the bennies she can. Not the kind of relationship that the Sugar Bowl is about.

Move on, and tell us all about your next, real, sweet, genuine baby!

Scott

**Rrguy** · 07-07-12 16:48

Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon [View Original Post]

She could be bullshitting you about the other guy.

I work in the criminal law field, however, so I deal with liars every day and feel like I'm pretty good at spotting them. If she's making this up, she's pathological. Really seems too young / not worldly enough to be this convincing. The analytical part of me wants to dig deeper to find out; I sense there's something in her past, but nothing like this (think there are some family issues). The cheap part of me is bailing, however, as I'm not sure finding out is worth what it might cost me financially to get to that point.