"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[John G Smith]

Thanks guys for the advice and tips for M&Gs!

So I actually met with a potential 22 year-old SB this week for a quasi-M&G. I'll refer to her as Yoga SB. We did our M&G at a local park that doesn't have too much activity and we went for a short hike together. If anybody saw us, I'd just say she was my exercise partner. Anyway we had some pretty good email exchanges early in the week. She wrote nice detailed emails, which was a welcome change from the usual one-liners. When I eventually brought up the per visit amount ($) , initially she balked at it. She didn't really have any good pictures, so it was hard for me to know what she really looked like. Also I was still in the glow of Chastity SB, so I felt I didn't really need to try too hard with Yoga SB.

So even though she balked at the initial offer, I gave her this whole long "Connection" speech (which I actually meant every word) about how I wanted to be with someone I had some kind of connection with, and not have everything be 100% about the money. This speech usually works pretty well with girls who don't want to feel like prostitutes even if they're asking for a lot of money initially. I then explain how the "help" or "allowance" will increase as our friendship grows. This doesn't work on NSA girls who want money quick, but it can work for girls who are looking for friends with benefits but somewhere along the line got their financial expectations warped unrealistically.

Anyway, so she agreed for $ per meet and as mentioned planned for a quasi-M&G / date at the park. When I got to the park, I was met by this 5'2" blonde hottie who was in great shape and had a nice rack! I thought to myself,"I'm getting an absolute steal!" So we walked / hiked around the park area for a little over a hour and had some excellent conversations. So I liked her personality and she was hot, only downside was that she had quite a few tattoos. I'm not big on tattoos, but at least they were coverable.

So at the end of it, I ended up giving her the sugar even though I didn't get any lovin'. I'm not sure if this was wise or not, but it was only $ and I did have a good time. I'm just a little worried that I might have put the arrangement on a platonic track since she said she might bring her dog to our next meetup at the park.

Chastity SB.

As many of you predicted, it's not really going anywhere. She hasn't had another moral freakout yet (though tomorrow is Sunday) , but things have definitely cooled down a bit. Though it's partly because my attention has been elsewhere and I stopped putting as much effort into her. I somewhat pushed for a meet and she just kept giving me a non-committal,"we'll meet soon". So I started to lose hope and began focusing on other prospects.

SB5.

I've been seeing this sugar baby for the past couple of months. She's 19 and lives at home, and it's purely NSA. We basically do a car date every other week. I could definitely see her becoming an escort in a year or two if she can't stay in school. She's pretty much the only SB thus far I've had where the allowance per visit is based on the specific playtime activities we'll do. We don't have much of a connection, but she's nearby and convenient, and has a tight petite body. Basically it's like seeing an escort, but getting much more mileage. Though this past week, she asked to see me a second time right after I saw her the previous night. This gave me "Nando1" warning signs, so I low-balled her and basically discouraged the consecutive nightly meet. If we had more of a connection, I probably wouldn't have minded, but I want to keep her at 1-2 week intervals.

I've also been talking to a potential SB who responded to my CL ad, which was about to expire. Things were going pretty well for a couple of days because she seemed like a nice normal girl and someone who would have realistic / modest expectations for an allowance. But then last night she mentioned she actually met with another SD earlier in the day who offered her 3000 per month for just a few hotel meetups. She said she turned him down because "she wasn't a prostitute", but if she supposedly met with an SD who offered her that much money, then I don't want to enter an arrangement with her with that in the shadows. Then again like the previous poster said, it could probably be a bluff and even if it is, it means she has unrealistic expectations and is trying to game me. There's too many other SBs out there for the picking to get caught up in this. So I think I'm going to move on.

So my SB stock portfolio isn't looking as good as it was a couple of weeks ago. Yoga SB has potential, but I don't really have a primary SB at the moment. SB5 is just a backup / hookup SB who gave me a "nando1" scare this week. The rest are just work in progress.

Oh the roller coaster ride of the SB scene. I'm tempted to post a new CL ad, but I'm going to wait and see how things play out with Yoga SB first.

[Donwhite]

Hi,

Longtime lurker first time poster. I'm in Nashville not very far away from you and I have to say there is not much talent in Tennessee on SeekingArrangement. I've had no luck in TN, but I've had a few successes in Alabama, Virginia, and Florida. I've had to fly the girls from Florida and Virginia up, but the girls from Alabama drove up to me willingly. It's a hard, frustrating process. I've been flaked on and scammed countless times. I'm 4 for 4 in meets to FC ratio, but I'm 28 and younger than most guys on the site and that probably works to my advantages in some ways and it's a disadvantage in other ways. The babies are always very skeptical in why I'm 28 and on the site, but I'm a single workaholic who lives alone and my crazy work schedule makes it hard for me to have normal relationships and I have to say I've enjoyed wading through the sugar pool so far.

Gentlemen.

I have been following this forum religiously and practicing the lessons in Knoxville, Tennessee. I have even posted some of my results here previously. Recently I have had a real WTF moment. Some of this Scott knows, as I sought his advice; the real WTF is new, however.

My most recent SB candidate has been a 21-year old college student. Bright, but seemingly a reserved personality. Wanted to take it slow, so I did. Suddenly got bored cause I was going slow, and hit me with negotiations. Her "best deal for both of us" boiled down to $500 / month allowance, sliding scale for FC visits: $100 for above the waist, $300 for oral, $500 for intercourse;"obviously" the lesser steps are included oh the higher, and I understand the full Monty to be pretty much whatever I want, multiple hours / pops. Needless to say, I was stunned. The economy isn't great, and this is Knoxville, for God's sake, not NYC or LA! I was horrified, shocked. And, admittedly, a little crushed as I had already put in time, money and effort with nothing to to show at that point.

Anyway, I tried it once last weekend instead of running like hell. I know, fool and his money, right? So I'm in for 1/2 of the monthly plus a full visit. It was "meh", so I wrote her, told her so, said we needed to talk, figure out if we were going to continue, cause the whole youth-texting, lack of conversation, uninterested attitude wasn't worth it to me.

So she emails me back last night, and I said WTF. She says if I really wanted unlimited time with her, everything, no pay as you go, she would expect. Are you ready. $5000 / month! I've never seen any that gold-plated!

Here's another one that really pisses me off. She said some guy, and I assume he's either in Knoxville or close, offered her $1500 for the first visit, drinks and lots of sex, $1200 per visit after that, at least twice a week!

It's one thing to have and use money. Its another to totally ruin the economic scale for everyone else in the area! If I had money to burn I would use it. I use what I have, but this is ridiculous!

Any suggests how to get the word out to whomever is fucking things up in Knoxville? I'm posting something similar to this in the final board, but I don't have any idea if this guy will see it.

[Zman429]

Gentlemen.

I have been following this forum religiously and practicing the lessons in Knoxville, Tennessee. I have even posted some of my results here previously. Recently I have had a real WTF moment. Some of this Scott knows, as I sought his advice; the real WTF is new, however.

It was meh. .

Dude you need to learn something real fast and that's the word "Next" you aren't going to change her or attitude to your liking all you can do is say I want a mind blowing experience and I'm willing to do $xxx then she makes her decision if it's no you move on if the experience isn't good move on, note sometimes the baby is nervous and next time might be better

[F Scott]

She could be bullshitting you about the other guy.

Hugh,

Are you a lurker with intel to contribute? If so, welcome to the Bowl. Wherever you are from, your insights, experience and wisdom are appreciated. Please post up.

Best,

Scott.

PS. Funny name!

[F Scott]

RR,

The beauty of the internet is that we can say whatever we want, and not have to prove a word of it. This little fish is nothing but bad news. She can say what she likes about other offers, but my question would then be,"why are you even continuing to talk to me?" When they get better offers, they just disappear, with nary a backwards glance. I believe she is trying to play you, my brother, and if it were me, I would disappear on her.

Let her go politely but unequivocaly, and move on. There will be more babies coming along soon. Maybe you might need to look at widening your horizons. I have had great luck in Lexington and especially Atlanta, which I believe are not far from you, if memory serves. This may have been your first baby, but I promise you it won't be your last. Have faith in yourself, polish your game, and understand this is nowhere near the same as picking up your cell and calling an escort. It takes effort, there are more dead ends, false hopes, and arrangements that fall through at the last minute, but when you finally score, you score big.

Keep at it, my friend, but my sense is that she is a stripper or someone else on the perifery of the business, and she is just trying to milk you for all the bennies she can. Not the kind of relationship that the Sugar Bowl is about.

Move on, and tell us all about your next, real, sweet, genuine baby!

Scott

[Rrguy]

She could be bullshitting you about the other guy.

I work in the criminal law field, however, so I deal with liars every day and feel like I'm pretty good at spotting them. If she's making this up, she's pathological. Really seems too young / not worldly enough to be this convincing. The analytical part of me wants to dig deeper to find out; I sense there's something in her past, but nothing like this (think there are some family issues). The cheap part of me is bailing, however, as I'm not sure finding out is worth what it might cost me financially to get to that point.

[Hugh Jardon]

She could be bullshitting you about the other guy.

[ChiGuy606]

Brother rGuy,

I think maybe the important words here are that she was 'offered' 1500. That doesn't mean she ever received it.

She could have been lying to you, or the guy could have been lying to her.

A few Bengarmins in the hand are worth more in the Bush? (or something like that).

Offer her a set amount you are comfortable with and tell her take it or leave it.

She may even say no but come back to you later once she cannot get the 1500 daddy to actually pay.

This is the classic symptom of GPS by the way.

Good luck

[Rrguy]

Gentlemen.

I have been following this forum religiously and practicing the lessons in Knoxville, Tennessee. I have even posted some of my results here previously. Recently I have had a real WTF moment. Some of this Scott knows, as I sought his advice; the real WTF is new, however.

My most recent SB candidate has been a 21-year old college student. Bright, but seemingly a reserved personality. Wanted to take it slow, so I did. Suddenly got bored cause I was going slow, and hit me with negotiations. Her "best deal for both of us" boiled down to $500 / month allowance, sliding scale for FC visits: $100 for above the waist, $300 for oral, $500 for intercourse;"obviously" the lesser steps are included oh the higher, and I understand the full Monty to be pretty much whatever I want, multiple hours / pops. Needless to say, I was stunned. The economy isn't great, and this is Knoxville, for God's sake, not NYC or LA! I was horrified, shocked. And, admittedly, a little crushed as I had already put in time, money and effort with nothing to to show at that point.

Anyway, I tried it once last weekend instead of running like hell. I know, fool and his money, right? So I'm in for 1/2 of the monthly plus a full visit. It was "meh", so I wrote her, told her so, said we needed to talk, figure out if we were going to continue, cause the whole youth-texting, lack of conversation, uninterested attitude wasn't worth it to me.

So she emails me back last night, and I said WTF. She says if I really wanted unlimited time with her, everything, no pay as you go, she would expect. Are you ready?. $5000 / month! I've never seen any that gold-plated!

Here's another one that really pisses me off. She said some guy, and I assume he's either in Knoxville or close, offered her $1500 for the first visit, drinks and lots of sex, $1200 per visit after that, at least twice a week!

It's one thing to have and use money. Its another to totally ruin the economic scale for everyone else in the area! If I had money to burn I would use it. I use what I have, but this is ridiculous!

Any suggests how to get the word out to whomever is fucking things up in Knoxville? I'm posting something similar to this in the final board, but I don't have any idea if this guy will see it.

[Golfcart]

I want to caution all of you who need to protect your anonymity that Google reverse image search is a frighteningly powerful tool. All you need to do is drag and drop an image into the search bar, and it will find it, if it exists anywhere else on the web, in under ten seconds.

The search that Google performs is not a search of the internet at that moment. Google "crawls" the internet and builds an inventory of text and images. It is this inventory that Google is searching at that moment.

The rate items are added to the internet is what it is and the rate Google crawls is less. Google is good but it is behind. So I am told.

As has been discussed in the past, pipl dot com is useful for finding other instances of an email address use. I can't remember if it works with phone numbers or not.

For phone numbers try Caller ID Lookup, http://www.cidlookup.com. It is pretty good.

[ChiGuy606]

I've been quiet lately due to my vacation and travels, but am back in town now and had an overwhelming urge to try out something new.

I've been working on a particular candidate for quite a while off and on. She had a rather. Graphic. Description of what she was into and looking for. Of course this meant she would typically be flooded with messages from guys, the vast majority of which were crude and 'descriptive' but not articulate.

I decided to differentiate myself by being extremely respectful (hey, I'm always respectful) yet suave in my writings to her. Finally it worked, and we started corresponding a few times a day via email. She sent me pictures of a gorgeous blonde hair, blue eyed beauty with an AMAZING chest. Honestly like Christina Hendricks size. 38DDD. Every photo she sent me (all clothed) had this overriding 'feature' of her that you just could not keep your eyes away from. So going into this week, I took a page from Mr Scott's book and tried to move the communication to SMS. That really sped up the process. Here is how fast things went after we started texting:

July 4- We started texting later in the evening & got very flirty. Soon after we agreed to meet for only a quick drink after work (she works very close to my office) on the 5th. About an hour of texting later, the potential drink evolved into (at her suggestion) that maybe I should have a room ready to go as well.

July 5- Lots (and lots) of flirtations texts during the day, but by the afternoon, she started to tell me she was getting nervous. She wanted me to assure her that she wasn't going to be paid to have sex with me, even though it was assumed that if I did give her an agreed to amount of sugar, panties would certainly be on the floor. My simple reply of "I am not going to pay you to have sex with me" was enough to calm her fears and get her relaxed enough to meet me, the logic of that exchange still escapes me, but I've never claimed to be able to understand what goes in inside the head of a woman. She then texted back to tell me that we probably shouldn't even meet at the resturaunt, and instead I should get some bottles of vodka and tonic, and she'll just meet me right in the room after 5:00 (the hotel was literally about 2 blocks away from where both of us work). I let her know that that seems like a spectacular idea!

It's now 3:00pm and she started telling me that she is once again nervous and I am now starting to worry that this is going to turn out to be a bust. I was able to diffuse the situation by (honestly) just letting her know that I had absolutely no expectations of her at all, and that I would only have fun myself if she were 100% comfortable. I told her that if I do not make her comfortable, she can leave at any time and I would not be upset. I told her that the only thing I really was expecting going into the day would be to meet for a quick drink in a public place, we can forget about sugar & hotel rooms, etc & just have a simple and innocent M&G. That really was the truth, I had no expectations of getting laid when the day started, and as long as I got a chance to meet her and let her know I was not a weirdo, I'd be happy.

Well that apparently worked fabulously because she immediately calmed down and the next 2 hours were nothing but texts of what she'd like to do to me, what she'd like done to her, and what I'd like done to myself by her (?).

I left the office early to get the room arranged, sent her the room number at 4:45 and there was a knock on the door at 5:10.

In walks this tall stately blonde with beautiful blue eyes and those enormous features of hers. She works in a law firm, and was dressed pretty sexy for where she works, a black short dress with plunging neckline to show off the goods. Granted, it is about 130F today in the city, and most women are walking around wearing a lot less than normal. She was a little bigger than I expected. Not fat big, but just large everything, in a good way. It's a bit hard to explain, but her body really does match her 38DDD's. She rigorously works out 2 hours a day and she is very toned. Nice shapely ass, flat stomach, great legs, really not an ounce of fat anywhere but where it counts.

She was texting on her phone to her cousin when she walked into the room. Apparently her cousin is also involved on the SA site, and she was keeping in close contact with her and coaching her on what to do initially. It was sort of odd, and I'm sure she was just letting her know she was safe, etc. Literally within about 30 seconds she lost all her apprehension with me, and then even let me see what she was writing. Basically "He's very cute" and "Not creepy" and "I'm fine don't' worry". I made her a drink and we talked for about 10 minutes. We are both from the same general area and share a lot of the same background. All nervousness and apprehension washed away and things just naturally flowed into the action when she unzipped my pants and started an extraordinary JB. We had multiple opportunities to enjoy each other and she was incredibly accommodating to me. Open to pretty much anything, and she is very much focused on her breasts (as am I!). Biting her nipples during the main event (she begged for it) seems to be a sure-fire way to get her to cum, and she loves LOTS of breast play. Considering the fact that I couldn't keep my eyes, mouth or hands off of them for practically the whole evening, we made quite a team!

Overall very good times, and on the way out she turns around and tells me that she thinks we're going to be best friends.

Anyone else have any fireworks this week?

[ChiGuy606]

Another concern about your photos you should have is to not put a very descriptive picture of yourself on the SA site directly. I always put an obscure photo on there and then send more descriptive ones via email. The reason being these sites get hacked all the time. Believe me, I deal with this for a living. Most of the time they are compromised very quietly, and then the perpetrators (usually E. European criminal organizations) will blackmail the owners of the site that if they pay a relatively small amount ($10K is pretty typical) , then they will not do anything bad with the data. Unfortunately 8 or 9 times out of 10 the companies will usually pay these guys off, so they continue to do it and make a decent living off of their work.

In the case of SA, doing something bad with the data could mean publicly posting photos of married men looking for extra action.

Also regarding SA's finances.

I believe only the guys are the ones who have to pay, so their revenue is actually more like

(1. 5mil *.10) * 50 / month.

Still a very respectable income!

[F Scott]

Gentlemen,

As stated below, I am currently stretching out the old muscles in an attempt to land a sweet baby or two, and things are going along fairly well. Nothing in the creel yet, but lots of action.

I want to caution all of you who need to protect your anonymity that Google reverse image search is a frighteningly powerful tool. All you need to do is drag and drop an image into the search bar, and it will find it, if it exists anywhere else on the web, in under ten seconds.

The URL is images dot google dot com, simple as that. The only photos I use are ones taken specifically for my Sugar activities, but this is not always the case for these little babies, and it can be a useful way of ferreting out the masquerading pros, or determining that who you are communicating with is in fact a real baby.

As has been discussed in the past, pipl dot com is useful for finding other instances of an email address use. I can't remember if it works with phone numbers or not.

Just some observations to the married brothers out there to be careful. If possible, create a self-referencing loop of Sugar profile, Sugar email, and, as I have done, Sugar facebook page. That way, if they pipl you, all they get is what you want them to get.

Keep safe, and don't forget to write.

Scott

PS - on the SA site there is a video clip of a Nightline piece on the Sugar Bowl which features SA, and there is an astonishing statistic that is presented: of the 1.5 million members of SA, 90% are guys. So that means, if my math is correct, that for any baby, there are at potentially hundreds of guys contacting her. A little depressing, but makes me think that waiting a week or so and sending a follow up might help a fella stand out. The other equation to run is $50, average monthly membership cost, x 1.5 million! Anybody want to start a competing site with me?

[F Scott]

Gentlemen,

I'm certain none of you was holding your breath to find out what has been happening with Scottie and me, but I feel compelled to share nonetheless. In a word, not much. As much as I try to jump into the deep end of the pool, I keep bouncing off the surface!

After my wonderful back-seat Oral Festival with Goth Baby, many of you know I got the news we all dread from my ATF, which really sent me into a tailspin, I have to be honest. Be careful out there, my friends - an old heart apparently breaks into many more shards than a young one. But enough of that.

I have been actively casting to fish in my home pool, initially as therapy rather than any really-committed pursuit, and have managed to set up a few m&gs, not all of which have gone according to plan. My first one was with an adorable neuroscience major, I kid you not. I am unaccountably drawn to nerdy, science-oriented babies, as well as the artistic, creative types, both of which reflect aspects of my own personality and interests. It turns out that this particular baby was originally interested in being an art history major, which was what I pursued, so she was my ideal! We met for lunch and had a fantastic time, spending almost three hours laughing, talking, touching lightly, and basically flirting like mad.

As I was driving back to work, we texted like 'tweeners, and I thought it would be the work of but a moment to get her panties on the floor the next time we met. My brothers, I have been at this a while, and have netted quite a few babies, so my instincts are rarely wrong, except in this case. In the intervening week, she has remained stubbornly uncooperative, resisting all attempts to ink in a date for our next playtime. WTF, one has to wonder. I continue to cast in her direction, however, and receive intermittent assurances that she has not lost interest, is as into me as I am her, but so far Air Scottie has not been cleared for landing. Fuck, fuck and double fuck!

In the interim, I have communicated on SA with a totally, totally hot MILF who has admitted that she is between a rock and a hard place, (do we have an acronym for Hot Single Mom? I believe we do: HSM) , and would love some relief. "I'm your man," I tell her with assurance, and so hopefully we will get together next week when my SO is out of town. We are still in the flirting stage, and before my experience with Dr. Baby, above, I would have put my panty-removal odds at 3 to 1 in my favor, but now I'm just not sure anymore.

Lastly, I had an m&g set up this morning with another baby, a theater major and struggling (I hope) actress who loves to cook. Again, just my type. And it was a total no-show. And this despite the fact that we texted all day Friday as I was driving out of town, and all day yesterday as I was coming back. Lots of "LOL" and "OMG" and "hahaha" and smiley faces and winky faces and so forth. In days gone by, right now I would be relating to you all how enjoyable it was to have spent the afternoon fucking her, but instead I slouched back to work and opened mail, by myself! I am hoping that nothing awful has happened to her, but also kind of secretly hoping for at least apendicitis at 3 am. I don't want to give up on what I am certain would be an enjoyable relationship, but a man has his pride, does he not?

In any event, as stated I will be unsupervised for most of next week, and have lined up playdates with Goth Baby and Brit, so I have that to look forward to, but I still have two open days to fill. Polo, I'm afraid, has lost interest in me, or it could in truth be that her kids are now out of school and she doesn't have the flexibility in her schedule she once had, which is what she tells me. In that case, I can look forward to a resumption of my riding lessons come Fall. Giddyup!

I'm happy to see so many brothers weighing in; please keep at it. I may (God willing) have something interesting to add in the next few days; at least there will be Goth Baby and her enourmous rack. I have spent many a pleasureable minute texting to her just what Scottie and I will do to her when next we meet, and I believe she is eager to have me make good. At least I think so; you never know.

Keep up the good work out there, my brothers, and don't forget to write.

Scott

[Magic Rat]

Well I just had a new for me experience re: a meet and greet. The SB required an allowance just to meet. Repeat "required." I passed and told her it sounded to much like an escort situation. Should it really be that difficult to get a woman who has already decided to be compensated for sexual favors to take our $$$? Color me confused.