"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**John G Smith** · 06-26-12 06:01

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

A quick aside: She likes the TV or radio on during sex. I guess she prefers a little background noise. Tonight, it was the TV. Family Guy, in fact, which is not the most romantic choice, but it's better than, say Law and Order SVU (the one with all the creepy sex offenders). Anyway, on tonight's Family Guy, Ollie Williams the black weather guy made an appearance. Just as my baby is deep throating my cock, Ollie lets out one of his "IT'S GONNA RAIN!" forecasts, and she almost starts choking she's laughing so hard. So, we had a little fun, too, and I'll never watch Ollie Williams the same.

I'm from the West coast but I was reading this forum since I'm into the SD / SB scene and we don't have a proper Sugarbabies forum over there.

Anyway, this part of your post made me laugh because I also was banging my SB last night while Family Guy was on and had a similar experience, haha. Just thought it was hilarious that 3, 000 miles away another sugar daddy was banging his sugar baby to Family Guy in a hotel room. I wonder how many others were out there, ha.

Well again, I'm glad to see a proper sugarbaby forum on USG. I can relate to the experience of a lot of you guys. I also had to notify "landlord" when I left. I sent the notification after my SB left, but I got delayed because I couldn't find the night-time hotel manager to check out and they didn't have a key-drop off, so I was delayed leaving the hotel by 15-20 minutes just right there. Thankfully the landlord never confirmed the ETA and was too busy watching TV, so the delay was never noticed. But now I know I'm not going to send the notification until I'm actually ready to pull out of the hotel parking lot.

**AliasSM** · 06-26-12 04:53

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

Well, I am happy to report that those of us (myself included) who thought she wouldn't show, or would show but would give less than 100% effort, were wrong. Very wrong. We both knew it was our last evening, so perhaps there was no pressure to perform. We had a lovely dinner, followed by absolutely mind-blowing sex back at the hotel. I am hopeful my earlier concerns were unfounded and will remain so.

A quick aside: She likes the TV or radio on during sex. I guess she prefers a little background noise. Tonight, it was the TV. Family Guy, in fact, which is not the most romantic choice, but it's better than, say Law and Order SVU (the one with all the creepy sex offenders). Anyway, on tonight's Family Guy, Ollie Williams the black weather guy made an appearance. Just as my baby is deep throating my cock, Ollie lets out one of his "IT'S going to RAIN!" forecasts, and she almost starts choking she's laughing so hard. So, we had a little fun, too, and I'll never watch Ollie Williams the same.

I am sorry to let this girl go; she's turned out to be a real gem. It is unfortunate that I have neither the time nor the cash flow to keep her on the payroll long term, but she wasn't shy about telling me to get in touch from time to time, should the mood strike.

I'm glad it all ended on good terms for the both of you Joe. Now I'm going to make a prediction of my own. With sex that good, you will be back. Maybe not soon, depending on your other commitments, but if your brain (both little and big one) thinks like mine does, you will not be able to stay away for long. The smart SB is the one that always leaves you with a smile on your face. That way, odds are the little brain will take over and eventually bring you back like a boomerang.

I don't have the strength to stay away from the good ones. The only thing that finally does it for me is a string of bad or lackluster performances.

Alias

**JoesParty** · 06-25-12 22:23

Originally Posted by Varoom [View Original Post]

My guess is the odds would be significantly less than 50/50 that she shows tomorrow and goes balls to the wall in the FC. Moreover, I would look for a no-show, or maybe an appearance so that she can inform you of some reason why you shouldn't cast her to the wind, or beg for continuance of the allowance because she is destitute, et al. Can't imagine since you are basically cutting her off at the knees that all will function as normal, so I would be prepared for anything and highly surprised or even shocked if it turns out to be a robust bang-a-rama.

Well, I am happy to report that those of us (myself included) who thought she wouldn't show, or would show but would give less than 100% effort, were wrong. Very wrong. We both knew it was our last evening, so perhaps there was no pressure to perform. We had a lovely dinner, followed by absolutely mind-blowing sex back at the hotel. I am hopeful my earlier concerns were unfounded and will remain so.

A quick aside: She likes the TV or radio on during sex. I guess she prefers a little background noise. Tonight, it was the TV. Family Guy, in fact, which is not the most romantic choice, but it's better than, say Law and Order SVU (the one with all the creepy sex offenders). Anyway, on tonight's Family Guy, Ollie Williams the black weather guy made an appearance. Just as my baby is deep throating my cock, Ollie lets out one of his "IT'S GONNA RAIN!" forecasts, and she almost starts choking she's laughing so hard. So, we had a little fun, too, and I'll never watch Ollie Williams the same.

I am sorry to let this girl go; she's turned out to be a real gem. It is unfortunate that I have neither the time nor the cash flow to keep her on the payroll long term, but she wasn't shy about telling me to get in touch from time to time, should the mood strike.

**Varoom** · 06-24-12 18:31

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

Exactly the encouragement I needed to hear, Cmdr! I plan on doing just this tomorrow afternoon.

My guess is the odds would be significantly less than 50/50 that she shows tomorrow and goes balls to the wall in the FC. Moreover, I would look for a no-show, or maybe an appearance so that she can inform you of some reason why you shouldn't cast her to the wind, or beg for continuance of the allowance because she is destitute, et al. Can't imagine since you are basically cutting her off at the knees that all will function as normal, so I would be prepared for anything and highly surprised or even shocked if it turns out to be a robust bang-a-rama.

**JoesParty** · 06-24-12 12:48

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

I don't see a reason to skip your final meeting. If she wanted the information she has it. If she plays that card you are prepared to fight back. Enjoy that last visit and make sure you hit the bottom of her pussy hole! Pound that nasty thing thru the mattress!

SubCmdr Out.

Exactly the encouragement I needed to hear, Cmdr! I plan on doing just this tomorrow afternoon.

**SubCmdr** · 06-23-12 10:57

Joe,

Since you have already acknowledged that it was a bad call I'm not going to ride you for that. You have a legitimate concern about revealing intelligence on yourself. You would not have put yourself into this situation if you had of just gone 'cold turkey' on the pussy and simply never bothered to inform your SB that it was over. Sometimes is it best to have her wonder what is going on. A unexpected interruption of cash flow keeps her off balance and gives you the tactical advantage when you wish to reengage.

The real issue is all of the bad things that can happen when you leave someone else in a hotel room that has your name attached to it. The worst case scenario: A crime of ANY type occurs in the room. Now my friend you are between a rock and a hard place. Local law enforcement rolls up on you. If you give yourself up, it is on the record. If you invoke your constitutional rights, further investigation by 5-O is going drag your name through the mud. You see you name in the paper. Friends, work colleagues, and clients start looking at you funny. You are forced to have one or more uncomfortable conversations with your landlord that at best overdraws your trust account and at worse results in an eviction.

Now what I just presented is called absolute risk. Relative risk is the type you took. You were with a known quantity. You looked at all of the risk factors and decided it was a risk you were willing to take. We all make those types of decisions each day.

In the future my suggestion would be to wait until you have left the building before establishing your ETA with the Warden (oops I mean landlord) when returning from your work release pass. I don't see a reason to skip your final meeting. If she wanted the information she has it. If she plays that card you are prepared to fight back. Enjoy that last visit and make sure you hit the bottom of her pussy hole! Pound that nasty thing thru the mattress!

SubCmdr Out.

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

While I was getting dressed to leave, I texted the landlord to let her know that I would be "leaving work" momentarily. She confirmed my ETA in response. I'm putting on my shoes, and I look over at the bed, and SB23 has crawled in. I must have given her a quizzical look, because she replied that she was feeling nauseated and needed to rest a few minutes. Alarm bells went off immediately. I was screwed. I was due home by a certain time (although traffic can be unpredictable, especially with the construction going on) , and SB23 was basically refusing to leave. She said she wasn't sure what the problem was, but that I could go and she would leave a few minutes after me, when she felt better. Um, hell no. Does anyone else see her potential endgame here?

I figured she wanted me to leave so she could use the hotel TV system to look up my "guest folio" and figure out my real name. Now, maybe she did have an upset stomach, but what better way for an enterprising young baby to keep the cash coming in-when she's been told it's going to dry up-than to find out my real name to set up a blackmail scheme? Someone please tell me I'm crazy or overreacting, but I need to be cautious here.

In the end, she forced my hand. In the heat of the moment, I couldn't come up with another excuse to delay my ETA home, and I'm not the kind of guy to forcibly evict a SB from my room. Maybe I should be, but I'm not. So I left. I left her there. Alone. In my room, with access to my real name.

**JoesParty** · 06-23-12 08:51

I still maintain that this is the best sub-forum on USASG, so I feel a little guilty for being absent lately. But something happened this week that I must report, as I know we have discussed it in general terms before, and the specifics of my situation may help other gents in their SB pursuits.

With the warm Midwestern summer upon us, I've frankly found myself more interested in pursuits other than SBs. Golf, swimming, jogging, and other outdoor activities are high on my priority list right now, and work is absolutely killing me. Plus, I have incurred some unexpected expenses at home. So taking even one or two evenings a week to visit the FC is a challenge. I therefore decided I needed to adjust my approximately six-week-old arrangement with SB23. I decided to call her, hoping that she would suggest a less-frequent, less-allowance arrangement, but I suspected she would demur and bow out altogether. Well, that's more or less what she did. She suggested one last two-week allowance for two final meetings, after which we will move on. I knew paying upfront for two "final" meetings was risky, but I also knew that (1) she would have to show to meeting #1 to collect, and (2) even if she bolted on meeting #2, I'd at least be done. I like the girl, so I basically decided why not roll the dice on two more quality fucks.

We met last week for final #1. The sex was good, and she was enthusiastic and creative, but honestly, my heart just wasn't into it. But that is neither here nor there. It was what occurred after that is important.

While I was getting dressed to leave, I texted the landlord to let her know that I would be "leaving work" momentarily. She confirmed my ETA in response. I'm putting on my shoes, and I look over at the bed, and SB23 has crawled in. I must have given her a quizzical look, because she replied that she was feeling nauseated and needed to rest a few minutes. Alarm bells went off immediately. I was screwed. I was due home by a certain time (although traffic can be unpredictable, especially with the construction going on), and SB23 was basically refusing to leave. She said she wasn't sure what the problem was, but that I could go and she would leave a few minutes after me, when she felt better. Um, hell no. Does anyone else see her potential endgame here?

I figured she wanted me to leave so she could use the hotel TV system to look up my "guest folio" and figure out my real name. Now, maybe she did have an upset stomach, but what better way for an enterprising young baby to keep the cash coming in--when she's been told it's going to dry up--than to find out my real name to set up a blackmail scheme? Someone please tell me I'm crazy or overreacting, but I need to be cautious here.

In the end, she forced my hand. In the heat of the moment, I couldn't come up with another excuse to delay my ETA home, and I'm not the kind of guy to forcibly evict a SB from my room. Maybe I should be, but I'm not. So I left. I left her there. Alone. In my room, with access to my real name.

I heard from her the next day, with her thanking me for being "such a gentleman" for sitting with her for as long as I could. She said she rested maybe 30 minutes more, talked with her sister on the phone, and then left. We've made plans for our final visit next week.

Now before you all descend on me, I acknowledge what I did wrong here. And I won't repeat the mistakes. And I say all of this so that maybe someone else doesn't repeat the mistakes either. But all hope is not lost. See, I've done my homework on her, too. She doesn't know it, but I know virtually EVERYTHING about her: real name (interesting aside: she uses her real last name, but not her real first name), home address, real phone number, DL number, etc, etc, etc. I can't go into details about how I acquired this information, though it is all available. So, I have ammunition to fight back should things get ugly.

OK, now on to my question: Given all of this, do I meet with her our last time next week and play it off like nothing's wrong? For all I know, she really was feeling sick, and she never thought to check the TV. Or, she figured out my name, but was merely curious and doesn't plan to do anything with it. Or do I just cancel the meeting and call the unused allowance a parting gift?

As always, thanks for your thoughts and enjoy the beautiful weekend.

Joe

**F Scott** · 06-21-12 17:52

Magic, Droo, Fix, Drummer, Joe, Nando, Sub, JoyD, Mandy and all my other brothers who have chimed in to offer their words of support - THANK YOU!

I had a really good day today, and am in a really great head space. Each of you contributed something to helping me get there, so, though I hope the time never comes for you, please let me repay you by being your sounding board should life in The Bowl get just a little too intense.

Once again, I feel the need to lay low for a bit, (am I bi-polar?) but I will continue to enjoy your exploits. I never expected to fall so fucking hard for my ATF, but all in all, I would not trade what we had for a lessening of the heartache I have felt. It took me four months to find her, so when I am back to full game again, I won't try to make every shiny new baby into her. No matter what happens with us in the future, no one can take away the thing we had, and the really fantastic memories I will take with me to the Old Folks Home.

Signing off before I start quoting Barry Manilow,

Scott

**Fixinit** · 06-20-12 14:03

Scott,

Sorry to hear about your ATF but as much as it hurts now let her have her space and keep the lines of communication open for the future. If the time comes where she wants to get physical again I wouldn't let it get serious again just make it a friends with benefits relationship. You can trust each other it seems and this would give you some fun with someone you are attracted and can trust at the same time. Sometimes that is hard to find.

Fix

**F Scott** · 06-19-12 19:38

Originally Posted by Magic Rat [View Original Post]

At least she had the guts to tell you to your face instead of doing the young 'uns chicken shit thing of just deleting you from her contact list. Speaking for others, we feel for you my friend as we're just a phone call / text / email away from being there ourselves.

Magic,

Thank you for your support, public and private. I really did appreciate her having the grace to tell me in person, and I told her so. It is offering me a sense of closure that I did not have before, and something to think about, in hindsight, that is helpful in the healing process. Maybe this guy will turn out to be a douche, (75% likely) and we will be on again in a month or so; maybe not. In any case, I am proud of how I handled things, and appreciative of how she handled things, so now it's just a question for me of healing my wounds. It was nine great months, which Mandy tells us is two more than I should have expected, so I count myself lucky.

I am looking forward to laying low for a bit; Polo and my British baby have suddenly lost their luster, and my 18 yo goth seems childish to me now. I'm sure things will change; nothing is constant but change, so they say, but for a bit I am looking forward to floating along, and not rowing so hard.

Peace, my friends. There is a bottle of pinot that is calling to me, and I am frankly unable to resist at this moment.

Yours,

Scott

**JoesParty** · 06-18-12 22:18

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Unless it really, really fucking sucks!

It's over, my friends. I knew it the minute I saw her face. A guy her age that was in her circle of friends has suddenly become significant, and she wants to see where it will go. She says she also wants to keep me in her life, but I think that was just being nice. We shall see.

I am strangely calm, but it may just be shock. Can't process much more than this at the moment.

Scott

My condolences, Scott. As Magic said, at least she was kind enough to do it face to face, though I realize that doesn't really make it suck any less. I, too, am struggling with some distance (both emotional and physical) issues with my ATF, and it isn't any fun at all.

But I can say this: She might not be "just being nice." If she feels for you even a fraction of what you feel for her, you can bet you will be one of her first calls if / when the new guy becomes old news. I urge you to be open to that possibility, because being the guy who's always there for her definitely has its perks.

**Magic Rat** · 06-18-12 15:31

Scott, you know I feel your pain. I know it's just a matter of time until I hear those same words. At least she had the guts to tell you to your face instead of doing the young 'uns chicken shit thing of just deleting you from her contact list. You have been preparing for this so just absorb the grief until the anger kicks in. I'm guessing it won't take as long as you think. Speaking for others, we feel for you my friend as we're just a phone call / text / email away from being there ourselves.

**Graham111** · 06-18-12 15:20

Yes after 6 weeks my ATF says let's get together. So I travel to see her and. She has a "commited relationship" but wants to keep seeing each other on the sly. Assuming I buy her a car. And he keeps calling every few hours as looks like he is a control freak. No can do. This is the guy who convinced her I was the anti-christ because I am married. What a strange world. Hurt yes but hanging on would hurt more. Oh well. More fishies in the sea.

**F Scott** · 06-18-12 15:01

Unless it really, really fucking sucks!

It's over, my friends. I knew it the minute I saw her face. A guy her age that was in her circle of friends has suddenly become significant, and she wants to see where it will go. She says she also wants to keep me in her life, but I think that was just being nice. We shall see.

I am strangely calm, but it may just be shock. Can't process much more than this at the moment.

Scott

**F Scott** · 06-18-12 10:52

My brothers,

I am about to head out to see my ATF after more than a month of comparative radio silence, and no meet-ups, casual or otherwise. I have a bad feeling that I am going to learn something that I don't want to learn, whether it is that she wants to break it off, or the magic is gone for me. I am seriously contemplating cancelling, but I won't.

Think good thoughts for me: that what needs to happen will happen.

We shall see,

Scott