"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Ycwinva]

I'm in the NoVA area but decided to post this here because I've been so inspired by this thread and the great work you guys are doing in the UTR SB scene. We don't have much if any active discussion up our way.

About a month ago I had a need to use a commercial laundromat to wash some big-ass stuff that wouldn't fit in my little apartment machines. I picked one at random in my neighborhood. To my pleasant surprise, the customer demographic was at least 95% female and at least 95% latino and mostly on the younger side of 35.

While waiting for my stuff, I sat and watched them folding piles of stuff from the dryers and noticed several piles which did contain kids clothes, did not contain any mens clothing and were being folded by woman not wearing rings.

I scared the first one off with a little bit too much of a pervy approach. I settled down and got my lines straight. The jist of what finally worked for me (after going back on separate occasions and to different laundromats) :

- I remember when my kids were that age.

- Mine are all grown up now. I miss them. I'm all alone now and very lonely.

- How old are yours?

- I was a single father who raised two boys. I know how tearably expensive that can be.

- I wish there was some way I could help you out.

Lots of other stuff mixed in to get past the language barrier but those are the key points of the progression that makes them understand the opportunity without running for the door.

- Offer to help carry baskets out as an opportunity to get their phone number without their friends watching them.

So far, I've got two phone numbers. Progressed only one so far to a car date with BBBJ for. 35. Supposed to meet again soon.

Why oh why did I take French in High School instead of Spanish. Oh, I remember, the French teacher was the 30 year old with the DD and tight tops. Damn.

[Graham111]

Personally I do not care but it does tend to make scheduling more of a problem. Can they stay out late (I prefer overnites) , certain times are out, etc. But it would not stop me from dating a woman.

[TravelinSD]

You are correct that kids have the potential to cause scheduling issues. My ATF has multiple kids, including one who is too young for school, so we're always working around the times when she has the kids. That said, she is willing to get a sitter from time to time and has never asked me to pay for that.

As far as drama, there's often the potential for that, especially if the estranged baby-daddy is in the picture. So far, that hasn't been too much of a problem for me, though. Knock on wood.

I say if you like the girl and think she has potential, give her a try for a while, kids or not. I'm interested to hear other perspectives, though.

When discussing scheduling she did say she had an armada of baby sitters ready on call as long as I gave her advanced not.

Notice.

[JoesParty]

So I had a very nice M&G a couple of days ago with a very nice, attractive 25yo college student. We hit it off really well. Early on in the conversation she did mention that she has two kids. I have always appreciated SBs that have put in their profile if they had kids or not. I also have generally avoided those profiles. I guess I figured kids mean potential for both scheduling problems as well as additional drama to the relationship. I really liked this woman and we did decide to meet this week to see if we have a physical match. I'm obviously looking forward to that! My question for the group is,"Do kids matter to you?"

Thanks in advance for your responses.

Drummer

You are correct that kids have the potential to cause scheduling issues. My ATF has multiple kids, including one who is too young for school, so we're always working around the times when she has the kids. That said, she is willing to get a sitter from time to time and has never asked me to pay for that.

As far as drama, there's often the potential for that, especially if the estranged baby-daddy is in the picture. So far, that hasn't been too much of a problem for me, though. Knock on wood.

I say if you like the girl and think she has potential, give her a try for a while, kids or not. I'm interested to hear other perspectives, though.

[ChiGuy606]

I personally am ok with kids, but then again I have kids myself so I am less freaked out I guess.

It also gives us something in common to talk about which is nice.

[TravelinSD]

So I had a very nice M&G a couple of days ago with a very nice, attractive 25yo college student. We hit it off really well. Early on in the conversation she did mention that she has two kids. I have always appreciated SBs that have put in their profile if they had kids or not. I also have generally avoided those profiles. I guess I figured kids mean potential for both scheduling problems as well as additional drama to the relationship. I really liked this woman and we did decide to meet this week to see if we have a physical match. I'm obviously looking forward to that! My question for the group is,"Do kids matter to you?"

Thanks in advance for your responses.

Drummer

[JoesParty]

Okay forum. How do you handle this one?

I am early with an SB. No monthly allowance yet, pay as you go as only one date so far. So date #2 she texts me in the afternoon "I am down for maintenance, how do you want to proceed". Not a nando 1 but likely the extra money is helpful which I understand. Do you:

1) Still provide full allowance for reduced or no service rendered.

2) Prorate allowance or.

3) Cancel appointment.

Curious how this works. LTF is different but what's the strategy? Let me know.

Bondo

As the Cmdr says, there are other ways for her to ensure you are satisfied. I might approach it a little differently than he, but he illustrates the different point. I would not provide full allowance for a date where NO service is rendered. The SB knows the drill; allowance for sexual attention. So, have a talk with her and find out just how much she needs the allowance. If she's not desperate, then maybe you take a week off. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, as they say. Or, if she does need the cash, talk about what you'd like to do with her. Make it a fun, sexy, and / or flirty conversation. Then, suggest allowance accordingly.

[AliasSM]

I enjoy reading about the different SB types that we all seem to have run across, but the ones that seem the most interesting to me are the Nando1s. I agree that they are a dangerous breed, and I do try to steer clear, but some are not as obvious as others when you first meet them, then POW, they seem to turn on you and turn from sweet to wacky in minutes.

Since I seriously started into this version of the hobby back in Feb, I have probably met personally with 12 potentials, been to the FC with 7 of them, and am still in touch with 5 on an irregular basis. 2 of the 4 that I am still in contact with fall marginally into the Nando1 category. These 2 both have some means of employment, but rely on sugar for part of their daily needs. Both are over an hour drive for me and both hit me up this week for an "advance" on their allowance. This is the first time request of this type from either of them, but I thought it interesting that I get 2 requests out of the blue in the same week.

Of course, neither of them got the money they were looking for, but I did find it hard to come up with any real reason for not coming to the rescue. Both know that I have the resources to help them out. One needed money to stay the night in a hotel (I'm pretty sure she is in an abusive relationship) , and the other just got kicked out of her parents house (she is 21 and jobless right now).

Without the advice from this board, I might have caved and sent cash to both of them. Who knows where that would have led.

The other 3 SBs that I keep in the stable are all pretty well grounded with either a decent job or living the college life, so I have enough backup talent (for now anyway) in case any one goes "down for maintenance" (I love that term. Hadn't heard that one before). So life is still good.

Keep up the great posts.

Alias

[SubCmdr]

Okay forum. How do you handle this one?

I am early with an SB. No monthly allowance yet, pay as you go as only one date so far. So date #2 she texts me in the afternoon "I am down for maintenance, how do you want to proceed". Not a nando 1 but likely the extra money is helpful which I understand. Do you:

1) Still provide full allowance for reduced or no service rendered.

2) Prorate allowance or.

3) Cancel appointment.

Curious how this works. LTF is different but what's the strategy? Let me know.

Bondo

My Man!

I'd make and inquiry to see if there were any serious pending expenses. Let her know that you would have to make a special trip just to get some sugar to her. Let her know that there are other ways to take care of you. If she refuses, then she did not need the sugar.

Have her give you some head in the car or other discreet place. Make sure your put your hand firmly behind her head and thrust deep into her throat when you are about to cum. Don't worry about he gaging noises and the tears, she'll get over it. If she gets upset afterwards, claim you just lost yourself in the moment. If she is not smiling then maybe that will provide incentive to her to either improve her money management skills or to work on her deep throat technique. If she is smiling, then you just discovered a new natural ability. Either way, slip her the needed sugar. Be on your way.

This is a prime example of a mutually beneficial relationship. You have satisfied her need. And you have established a quickie mode of operation for any future testicular emergencies that you may have. Or additional impromptu sugar requests that she may have.

Chief of the boat prepare to dive!

SubCmdr Our. Running silent, running deep

[Graham111]

Okay forum. How do you handle this one???

I am early with an SB. No monthly allowance yet, pay as you go as only one date so far. So date #2 she texts me in the afternoon "I am down for maintenance, how do you want to proceed". Not a nando 1 but likely the extra money is helpful which I understand. Do you:

1) Still provide full allowance for reduced or no service rendered.

2) Prorate allowance or.

3) Cancel appointment.

Curious how this works. LTF is different but what's the strategy? Let me know.

Bondo

[SbabyBlog]

You basically just upload your image & it returns results of where else those images are found on the internet.

Fantastic tip, thank you!

Mandy

[ChiGuy606]

I had been making arrangements with a HYB on SA this week, and she really had me going for a while. I was head over heels for her & ready to drive a few hours away from town to meet up with her.

I finally wound up doing a reverse image search on some of the pics she sent to me and was able to locate her real name, her facebook, twitter page etc.

Anyway, I was able to debunk her entire story, and found out she lives in Canada, and not even where she was claiming to be. She may have been either getting ready to start asking me to front her money, or she could have just been getting her jollies off having me drive cross country for a no-show meeting.

Either way, you guys should familiarize yourself with these tools, they were very helpful in my case.

http://www.tineye.com/

http://www.google.com/imghp <I've had better luck with this one.

You basically just upload your image & it returns results of where else those images are found on the internet.

Be safe!

-Chi

[GeorgeRichmond]

Well, I had 3 dates so far and all were wonderful with my SB. Finally, a good entry though travel is painful to see her. So trying to see if something can be within less than hour. So fishing is on.

But about fair play.

I almost think this should be legal to look for SB if one is not getting enough of play time. In my case, my wife turns me off whenever we want to have good time. I get may be once a week (if I am lucky). But even after discussions with her, she is not willing to think about man's need. I guess, reasons like I am tired, I slept early, didn't think about this, don't want today! Anyway. May be that is why I am looking for SB and it is fair?

[ChiGuy606]

Sounds incredible Joe. Spice in life is all about variety. And Variety is all about sampling all those delicious flavors out there in the world!

Turning Flakey into Stable is fantastic as well Drummer!

It sounds like you guys really have something great going into the summer. I'm happy it's working out so well for you. Please keep us posted!

[JoesParty]

I'm guessing none of you really care, but I've never been a big chocolate fan. I'll eat some of the semi-sweet or dark from time to time, but ever since I ate too many Hershey's kisses in one sitting in the seventh grade, I've always avoided more than the occasional bite. So I had to laugh last night when, shortly after I finished a particularly vigorous round of DATY on my sexy little black / Puerto Rican SB23, she asked if I was enjoying my chocolate buffet. I guess you could say I've been reformed.

I'm happy to report that we are starting to develop a nice rhythm. I enjoy our time together, and I think she is starting to get more comfortable with me too. The requests for additional money (always indirect) have stopped, and she seems satisfied with the arrangement we have. I don't claim to be an expert in anything, but she clearly is having fun in the FC. Last night's round two ended with a back-arching, leg cramping, near-squirting orgasm for her--one of those that is very difficult (IMHO) for a girl to fake. We went out to a late dinner after and are already making plans for next week.

A big plus: This girl apparently enjoys giving oral as much as receiving, something that ATF never really excelled at. That's not to say ATF is in any danger of being replaced (she has other skills as yet undiscovered during my time with SB23), but SB23 could be giving her a run for her money. It's unfortunate that I don't have the time or finances to maintain a long-term relationship with both, so I'll have to choose soon, unless something changes.

Here's to hoping others are enjoying similar successes.

Regards,

Joe