"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**EuroInCincy** · 06-02-12 06:33

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

This attractive alternative would take some doing to arrange in Sex Prison, aka the US of A, although I know a few rich Chinese who manage it in their country. It would be great though.

Literal. The easiest to arrange this is before you get in prison, or find a warden like Mandy has, who accepts it and believes in weekend furloughs, but both solutions are done before prison is entered. Once in prison it wile hard. BUT perhaps some logic explanation might do the trick. Honey. I can use a #2 when I am pissed off. Like when I had a bad day at work. Would you rather see me happy coming home, after I blow of steam with my #2. Just one example. Or Honey you know I like position #37 and I know you hate it, would you not rather see me happy and not ask you that position when I can use a surrogate?

There are some funny situations where #2 takes her role too serious, as one time I am buying her a piece ofclothing, find out I did not had my plastic with me but I had a backup plastic in the name of #1. The sales clerk runs the plastic, gets an approval and hands the slip to sign to #2. (because of the gender on the plastic). #2 takes her role serious and tells true sales clerk OH No I can't sign, that is a card of #1. I am #2. The sales clerk looks funny. So I throw in. Ok where what is your fax number. Ill call#1 and tell her to fax over an authorization that I can use her plastic for this purchase. Which actually happened, but she made me wait for 15 minutes.

Of course this did cost me a better outfit once back home for #1, who with a big grin showed me an email of #2, saying " I hope I did right by not signing your name"

NOW who is really in charge?

Euro

**Varoom** · 06-01-12 19:17

Damn, this has been deflating if not a depressing thread here lately. Nando and his baby being exposed by the discovery of the burner phone by the war dept. And the egg shells he must now be walking on. Then Lit and Mandy going at one another back and forth. Now Scott gets the hand writing from the wall, via the ATF. Geesh, I can't take any more of this news fellows.

My condolences to Nando and Scott on their recent emotional upheaval. No doubt this would be tough. But as the saying does go,"this too shall pass", although not always as soon or as easily as we would like.

Regarding the into of the female voice on the thread. I think Mandy has added some by her opinions and input, but I do think that it has changed the tenor of the thread as well. Having been one who attended an all male school before attending co-ed participation; there is just a difference when the opposite sex is involved in the discourse of the day. However, since I am not a major contributor on this thread I have no strong vote one way or the other, but just acknowledging that there is a difference.

**F Scott** · 06-01-12 18:56

Originally Posted by ChiGuy606 [View Original Post]

SERIOUSLY! Can you believe that didn't' work? Man, that was like my all time best stuff.

Carry on Gents!

Chi,

Very, very funny! Can't believe it didn't work either. I think she was fooling you about being a therapist LOL.

I guess I need to get into the habit of reading from the back forwards. This might have cheered me up a little so I didn't post as Debbie Downer.

Scott

**F Scott** · 06-01-12 18:52

Brothers,

I knew the time would come when it would be over with my ATF, and I believe that time is here. I have had minimal and what I would term "cordial" replies to my cheery texts, asking if we might meet on such and such a day for lunch and sex, which is not her normal operating procedure. Never verbose, she nonetheless manages to distill a great deal of enthusiasm into her replies. This, added to the fact that I think we have not been together for almost a month, and even a blind man could see the end near at hand.

I just don't understand how it could have gone from her offering me a key to her apartment to this, but as I have said many times, they are a quixotic breed, these little babies. I will miss her painfully, do in fact now miss her painfully, but I know I will get over it eventually. I know it had no real future, I just wanted it to go on a little longer.

In the silver lining department, I just spent the day moving my younger daughter and her roommate into a new apartment not more than four blocks from, wait for it, my ATF's new place. In fact, we drove the truck right by her building, and I saw her bike parked outside! Now I know this is a wrinkle that could have been ironed out so as to avoid any Dad-spotting by my daughter, but I might have been too jumpy when in the neighborhood to be able to enjoy my time there. Kinda would have defeated the whole point of being off the home radar if another airport picks you up instead.

Oh well, I still have Polo and my British baby, but in all truthfullness, I'm just feeling supremely bummed out right now. Scottie is far less emotional than I am, and even he is depressed.

My confidants, I may need you in the next week or so!

Peace,

Scott

**Fixinit** · 06-01-12 17:21

This is not intended towards Mandy personally but I don't like the presence of a female in this thread. I originally was reading what she posted but now just skip because I do not feel it adds anything or at least adds anything that interests me. Once again it is nothing personal against her, it just my opinion. Lit just had the balls to say something originally. I kept quiet but the more I see his posts the more I wanted to speak out as I agree with him.

This thread has evolved since she has joined but it is still a good thread with a lot of good information so keep it going.

Have fun and be safe everyone.

Fix

**Literal2** · 05-31-12 15:54

Originally Posted by ChiGuy606 [View Original Post]

So there always has been this monogamy, polygamy conflict between men & women, and it has everything to do with biology. Over time, society evolved to favor the woman's preference of a single partner, because simply successful women's reproduction = a successful species. But it doesn't change the way men deep down have been pre-programmed to behave. On a biological level, it is very difficult for us to live in the sex-prison, and (most) women cannot fathom why we have such a hard time with it, because they are programmed to build the sex-prison from a biological level.

This sounds about right to me.

**Literal2** · 05-31-12 15:52

Originally Posted by EuroInCincy [View Original Post]

See I disposed of that landline before I started. The wife #1 knows I have a #2, and as long as #1 stays #1 all is fine. I even had it in the past where #1 and #2 had dinner with me, one time even a trip to europe. Now this only works if you get this correctly vetted with #1. Explain the advantages she gets. It worked for me, and it does not lead to headaches, chest pain and sleepless nights. It does lead to some funny situations though (I'll share in private)

This attractive alternative would take some doing to arrange in Sex Prison, aka the US of A, although I know a few rich Chinese who manage it in their country. It would be great though.

**Magic Rat** · 05-31-12 15:11

Do you know any women that have the same sense of humor we do? I'll throw what I think is a real funny out at home and all I get is either a blank stare or the old eye roll. And this coming from a woman that does have a good sense of humor. Just different I guess.

**Literal2** · 05-31-12 13:28

Originally Posted by SbabyBlog [View Original Post]

I would like to highlight my caveat "you weren't with her that long." For those of you who like the long-term thing, I think you have to handle the break-up a little more gently. Mostly because the SB probably will have all of your information and well a woman scorned can be a really bad thing. For this case, in person and honesty would be my advice.

I don't think this is good advice in most cases, although quite predictable female provider advice. For sure, it's what every working girl wants. In fact it may be what everyone wants when someone they are involved with breaks up with them.

The fact is though that attempts to explain the truth in person to a long term SB you are leaving are very likely to lead to a demand for more details and ultimately for money and does little to reduce the chances of blackmail or revenge seeking. If you were married, at this point in the relationship, you'd both get lawyers or psychologists or both. Those alternatives are not attractive in the sb-sd context so dealing with the breakup of an LT relationship with an sb is like juggling a bomb.

Note that Mandy says,"the SB probably will have all of your information and well a woman scorned can be a really bad thing." Whether you use the "in person and honest" approach or the arm's length impersonal (but considerate) announcement, what happens if the long-term SB doesn't accept the end of the relationship? She may do really bad things to you is the lesson here. Why then would you let her have "all your information." Because that is part of "being close" in a satisfying LT relationship and the SB wants to have it?

I broke up a relationship with an SB of more than a year's duration early this year. At our last meeting, she sensed I was losing interest. When she called me and left a message afterwards asking if every thing was ok and when would we meet next, I didn't reply. She eventually texted she realized things had changed between us. I still didn't reply. Finally she sent me a goodbye. I replied goodbye and wished her well. That's the last I've heard from her. Of course, I was careful throughout to be sure she doesn't have "all of my information."

**SubCmdr** · 05-31-12 11:51

Originally Posted by EuroInCincy [View Original Post]

See I disposed of that landline before I started. The wife #1 knows I have a #2, and as long as #1 stays #1 all is fine. I even had it in the past where #1 and #2 had dinner with me, one time even a trip to europe. Now this only works if you get this correctly vetted with #1. Explain the advantages she gets. It worked for me, and it does not lead to headaches, chest pain and sleepless nights. It does lead to some funny situations though (I'll share in private)

Euro,

You the man!

SubCmdr out

**ChiGuy606** · 05-31-12 10:34

Group,

I posted this in a couple of PMs to some brothers lately & felt that it probably would be useful to share to you all.

I had been emailing back and forth a few days ago with a beautiful blonde 24 year old POT. She claimed to be a psychiatrist with a full MD & working at a very popular and flourishing practice.

Now, I never really did figure out why a successful MD was looking for a SD, but my secret hope was that she was just a little bit confused as to the nature of the SA site, and she was actually considering paying me.

Anyway, our discussions came around to the nature of why so many married men were active on SA, and she clued me into a little 'Evolutionary Psychology'. The jist of which is as follows:

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Evolutionary psychology.

The theory that most of our core behaviors of today come from what made our early ancestors successful in reproducing. We today are the product of successful 'hookups' 100's of millennia in the past right? The techniques of most successful Cave-Daddies from millennia ago banging the most beautiful Cave-babies have been carried down from the generations for the simple reason of successful Cave-Daddies = genetic transference.

So when a woman is pregnant / has a baby, she is unable to become pregnant with another man for a duration of at least 1 year. She has 9 months of pregnancy & at least a few months afterwards. It really does no good from a genetic transference standpoint for the woman to bang 100's of Cave-Daddies in a year, because she is still only going to get pregnant with one of them. After pregnancy, the most successful reproductive strategy she can take would be to get the Daddy to stick around for the duration & take care of her. That would ensure a healthy birth & rearing, and thus help spread her genes into the next generations.

For the prehistoric Cave-daddy, the most successful strategy for spreading his genes into future generations would have been to nail as many cave-babies as he possibly could, in as little time as possible.

So there always has been this monogamy, polygamy conflict between men & women, and it has everything to do with biology. Over time, society evolved to favor the woman's preference of a single partner, because simply successful women's reproduction = a successful species. But it doesn't change the way men deep down have been pre-programmed to behave. On a biological level, it is very difficult for us to live in the sex-prison, and (most) women cannot fathom why we have such a hard time with it, because they are programmed to build the sex-prison from a biological level.

*

Anyhow, this MD / SB really intrigued me obviously, but she eventually dropped off my contact radar without an explanation. Too bad, I really was looking forward to learning more about my primal ways with her.

Hey, I even broke out this GEM of a line. And can you believe I got absolutely no response? Wait for it.

Originally Posted by me

So my wife has been telling me for years that I really need to start seeing a psychiatrist. .

How about we meet for a drink? .

SERIOUSLY! Can you believe that didn't' work? Man, that was like my all time best stuff.

Carry on Gents!

**CantWinLosin** · 05-30-12 23:01

Joe, think about what she wrote back to you. It was a blatant attempt to prick your ego in order to get you to contact her back, because she believes she can lure you back as long as the comm channel is open. It's an old, old technique used by people the world over. Certain sales techniques use a similar idea: keep the mark talking, because as long as they're talking you have a chance to close; once they leave your chance is zero.

Do not let her suck you back in. You will regret it if you do. Clean break, every time.

**SbabyBlog** · 05-30-12 22:48

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

Case in point: I have a situation where I'd like input from both sides here. I'll even state the question up front: Am I being cruel here? Do I owe my baby more?

Maybe to some readers surprise, I actually agree with everything that's been posted in response to this. In person break-ups are challenging at best and with a Nando 1, you're really just begging for it to go badly. You weren't with her that long, so I think you did exactly what would be considered reasonable with the email. I also agree with not engaging in the back and forth email chain with her. It's just an opportunity for it to get messy.

I would like to highlight my caveat "you weren't with her that long." For those of you who like the long-term thing, I think you have to handle the break-up a little more gently. Mostly because the SB probably will have all of your information and well a woman scorned can be a really bad thing. For this case, in person and honesty would be my advice.

Joe, the thing I would like to commend you on is that you provided an ending. A lot of SD's and SB's (myself included) are prone to just disappearing which leaves all sides wondering and that's not cool. So, good job and don't feel bad. You did more than what a lot do.

Mandy

**Hernando** · 05-30-12 17:40

It is certainly easier to make an electronic break. I had a Nando 1 SB before my HCB SB / GF and I cared about her although she was a mess. She actually stopped all comm with me for about 1 year and I was pretty bummed since she didn't give any notice. When she resurfaced she blackmailed me. So the "dear Jane " letter was probably enough. If you had a significant attraction to her a face to face would probably have been nice for closure, but so much harder to see her shock, sobbing uncontrllably, and grabbing your ankles begging you not to go. Eh, Email / text works.

**EuroInCincy** · 05-30-12 17:33

Originally Posted by Magic Rat [View Original Post]

Begging to get caught indeed, plus I think we have discussed addiction to our SBs on here before as well. I know I have taken chances that I would not have even considered before this woman came into my life. I've even gotten a few "you did what!" responses from both online and real friends, although I have been more careful lately, or maybe not. I don't use a burner phone, my SB has my real number, knows my real first and last name (she even signed the room service bill last time) , knows where I live, where I work, where wife works. So she could royally fuck up my life. However, she is not a Nando 1 (she's a MILF who enjoys the sex) , lives a couple hours from me, and does not have the revenge gene in her body I don't think. Who mentioned addiction again?

Magicrat

See I disposed of that landline before I started. The wife #1 knows I have a #2, and as long as #1 stays #1 all is fine. I even had it in the past where #1 and #2 had dinner with me, one time even a trip to europe. Now this only works if you get this correctly vetted with #1. Explain the advantages she gets. It worked for me, and it does not lead to headaches, chest pain and sleepless nights. It does lead to some funny situations though (I'll share in private)