"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Hernando]

That would be me, haha, not really. It is easy to feel powerful with the ladies when you are speaking with dollars, which makes perfect cents! (Sorry, that was a poor attempt at a bon mot ). Seriously, we all have different motivations and styles and it is instructive to learn from our brothers and sister. WHen hot girls (HCB, HYB) act like they love us most of the time they are loving our Sugar, but as Mandy attests, there is a fondness, perhaps even love for one's Sugars. Each of us has to make the decision what works for our style and life circumstances. I personally need and want love, or the appearance of love in my sugar relationship, and have it! I am going to ride this wave as long as it lasts. I am not ready to offer to permanently go off the reservation with my SB, even if she would consider an IRL relationship which I doubt. How could a 20 something truly love IRL a 60 yr old? I agree with The Commander that emotional connection adds a great deal to an affair. I went through a multifucking phase for a few years and felt an emtyness after each encounter. Physically it was heady to bed a different girl frequently, but in the end I wanted more.

Scott seems to have the most success with HYBs and apparently a very liberal Sugar program (at least since Literal semiretired Welcome back Lit! I hope little Lit gets his mojo back) There is a true fondness that his SBs must have for him to donate their services as generously as they do. Perhaps he is younger and more appealing to the ladies as an IRL type BF. Young girls do have FWBs and affairs all the time without a negotiated fee for service. I am too old to attract a 20 yr old for free I guess.

Golf is correct in keeping these SBs at arm's length to strictly maintain a separation of one's RL and SL (real life and sugar life) We E-types take a risk getting E involved. And from a safety POV withholding info about yourself helps keep that separation particularly when dealing with Nando 1s.

But in the end, as long as we are in the game life is good! And I am "in love "

[AliasSM]

Good to hear from you Lit. Yes, this is a strong and active forum and there are a number of regulars. I can attest that Mandy is as close to "one of the guys" as you will find in someone without a penis. She has been a good contributor and, I think, understands the multi-fucking goings-on as well most since she is herself a participant.

Hope to hear soon that you are back in the game with all cylinders cranking.

Alias

[SubCmdr]

Scott may have gone off the reservation in a good way. I'm not so sure the girls he describes qualify as SBs. It sounds more like Scott may be simply dating or just plain running around because he's buying presents and paying bills more than playing in the Sugar Bowl. If Scott is pulling this off it's because he's confident, he can keep up with them, and when things are vertical he is treating them more like guy-friends. This is a cocktail that can be a real babe magnet to girls not really in need. The downside risk is a girl not driven by the sugar is hard to get rid of when the time comes. She doesn't afford the safety of a true sugar babe that can be counted on to leave when the sugar is stopped.

I'm glad to see Lit back and the sanity he brings. Maybe I'll start speaking up more.

We have the same unresolved issues when he left last time plus a twist. We still have guys getting emotionally involved like that's a fact without serious consequences, guys not protecting their personal identities, and guys thinking the girls are really into the senior citizen crowd. The latest twist is we can renegotiate the sugar using a smoke and mirror approach on girls who clip coupons and buy when things are on sale. Renegotiating the sugar doesn't work. It is the other side of the golden pussy syndrome.

Welcome back Lit.

Sounds like someone's GolfCart has a flat tire. Look who's hating as Scott's pimp mobile rolls by!

Oh, and we are revisiting the definition of a "true sugar baby". Hold just a minute while I take some notes.

Some of the girls just may actually be into older men. There are a lot of fetishes out there.

What is wrong with emotional involvement? All forms of human interaction involve emotion. If you don't believe me, just try to get good service from someone IRL who is in a bad mood or is having a bad day.

If you are messing around with Nando 1 types, I agree you better keep your game tight. But if the young lady has as much to loose as you do, I don't think it is as important to keep your cover airtight.

Finally, all contracts and arrangements are open to renegotiation. Especially ones that have fairly fluid terms and conditions to start with.

Help me out if I'm missing something here.

SubCmdr Out

[Golfcart]

Scott may have gone off the reservation in a good way. I'm not so sure the girls he describes qualify as SBs. It sounds more like Scott may be simply dating or just plain running around because he's buying presents and paying bills more than playing in the Sugar Bowl. If Scott is pulling this off it's because he's confident, he can keep up with them, and when things are vertical he is treating them more like guy-friends. This is a cocktail that can be a real babe magnet to girls not really in need. The downside risk is a girl not driven by the sugar is hard to get rid of when the time comes. She doesn't afford the safety of a true sugar babe that can be counted on to leave when the sugar is stopped.

I'm glad to see Lit back and the sanity he brings. Maybe I'll start speaking up more.

We have the same unresolved issues when he left last time plus a twist. We still have guys getting emotionally involved like that's a fact without serious consequences, guys not protecting their personal identities, and guys thinking the girls are really into the senior citizen crowd. The latest twist is we can renegotiate the sugar using a smoke and mirror approach on girls who clip coupons and buy when things are on sale. Renegotiating the sugar doesn't work. It is the other side of the golden pussy syndrome.

Welcome back Lit.

[SbabyBlog]

Hopefully she has a sense of humor.

Yes, I have a sense of humor and it takes A LOT to offend me. But you can't be offended by my stories of having two SD's and a husband. As I've written in previous posts. I'm just as bad as you guys are.

Oh. And I might be interviewed again! I received an email through my blog today from a writer. I'll keep you all posted on how that one turns out.

Night!

Mandy

[Literal2]

The activity here is amazing. Well done, you guys!

The posts are getting more and more literate, which is unusual indeed for a sex forum. I'm not sure how the new disatff member feels about daddies bragging about sucking on sugarbaby pussy and multifucking. Hopefully she has a sense of humor.

I wonder why nobody uploads photos. I think it would be a plus. Scott set a standard some months ago with his Latina's milk bags, butt and sweet vagina shots but a quick scan of the posts didn't reveal if he was ever able to make a semen deposit therein. I sure hope so. That girl was voluptuous.

As for me, I haven't done anything since my pathetic attempt to rekindle my interest in an old list of 12 sbs. As I reported I fucked sb4 again but didn't like it much. I let the other girls go, although I still dream about my sweet college student who would sit next to me and stroke my dick for hours if I wanted her to and let me cum in her mouth or any where else on or in her that I felt like. She hasn't returned my last few emails. Maybe she's got a real job.

I think I may need to chase fresh pussy just to get hard these days. I've had a minor issue with Mr Johnson but the meds now seem to be working and I still hope to inveigle a few babies into opening their pussies for me before he retires for good.

My goal remains to have my dick in a 22 year old girl at the moment I cross The River.

FYI, I gave the SD4me website a blast for their fucked up cancellation process. They told me the most effective way is to send a cancellation email as soon as you sign up. I don't know if this works or not, I had to cancel my credit card to get out of their automatic billing last year and I haven't rejoined. They sure have a lot of females online though.

Keep up the good work, mongers. Rock on.

[SbabyBlog]

It's probably infatuation.

Hi guys! I thought I would take a break from my paper that is going terribly to chime in on this topic. In the poly world they refer to this as NRE. New Relationship Energy. It's all those exciting, fun butterfly emotions that are running around in you after meeting that person you click with. I do think it is possible for there to be a loving relationship that forms between an SB and SD but I don't think that happens right off the bat. If you manage to make it past the 6-10 month typical life span of a sugar relationship, then you just might be moving in that direction. But, if it's within the first month, well it's simply NRE.

While I'm here I thought I would report that The Doctor happily agreed to pay the cost for the unlimited membership at the exercise studio I started going to. I asked for that and he volunteer more so I can have a couple of massages and get my nails done too this month! Later in the evening our plans included dinner and a trip to the mall where I got to have fun in Sephora.

Ok, back to homework. And to any of you who studied strategy as part of an MBA. I officially hate strategy and Mintzberg! Thanks Joe, Nando and everyone else for the well wishes with my homework. 3 more weeks left till the end of year one in grad school!

Night!

Mandy

[JoesParty]

I would throw out a word of caution here. I'm not saying that it's not possible to have a great SB who's a dancer. I hope you have found one. Just be aware that in all the aspects of the paid adult world from SBs, to escorts, to strippers, none is more skilled or trained at deceiving and extracting $$$ from a guy for very little return than a stripper. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions, but just don't let your emotions get ahead of your pocketbook.

A good site from years ago (still live) which serves as an example is.

www.ihatestippers.com

This site has a series of voicemails between a stripper and her target that are both hilarious and scary. I'm sure you're nothing like the guy who is duped by this woman, but it still shows the mentality of many dancers.

Don't mean to be such a bummer with my last two posts.

One of my new SBs is over for dinner tonight and I have M&Gs Mon and Tue evenings. Hopefully more positive reports will come out of those.

Happy hunting!

Drummer

My ATF is a stripper, so I know to tread carefully here. I'd like to think that I can tell the difference between BS (or, more appropriately, SS (stripper shit) and reality, but it can be difficult sometimes, especially with the best SSers.

Back on the love issue again for a minute, thought. I think maybe, just maybe, most of the time it isn't true love. It's probably infatuation. It feels like love, it looks like love, and it may be in part based on love, but the emotions get carried away. We get ahead of ourselves. We start thinking in terms of dreams instead of reality. This is not to say that true love isn't possible, but it helps to take a step back and try to take an objective look at the situation. Sometimes that helps recalibrate the thinking and emotions.

[GeorgeRichmond]

George, we have hashed this over multiple times but it is always fun to reiterate without rewriting the book.

Joe is absolutely correct and the review of this entire blog would be entertaining as well as informative. I have been on since the beginning and it is interesting to see how it has evolved. The direction most of us are going seems to be towards a higher quality Baby and away from the Nando 1 type girls who are desperately poor, substance addicted, and frequently active or semi pros who have often done time. I can't stress enough how important it is to date as " nice " a girl as possible who has ethics and a decent moral structure and upbringing. I know sugar dating and ethics could be an oxymoron, but times are changing. This is important because you are essentially putting control of your future in her hands and other anatomical parts. This is more so if you are married or have a sensitive job where going public could harm you.

Ah / falling in love / lust is so fine and I am "in love" with my SB as are many of our brothers here. We tend to confuse true love with true lust I believe. The lustful passionate part of any relationship lasts from 1 to 2 years where all reason tends to go out the door and we men are blithering idiots around a hot girl who (seems to) adores us (our money ). The operative word is "seem " and " money " The girls are mostly here for Sugar and in return they will treat us to the fantasy that we are seeking. The really smart, experienced, and mature SBs are fabulous actors and know where their bread is buttered, so they will perpetuate the fantasy. The not so smart ones will let their cover slip and it will be harder to "love " them. Now I personally believe that SDs and SBs can experience true love and even go on to an IRL relationship, but I would guess that it is a small minority. The rest of us experience the appearance and feeling of love, but our Sugars will ultimately go on with their real lives. Most want "the dream " a husband, good career. 2.2 kids, the white picket fence, BWW in the paved driveway, Beach cottage, you get the picture.

So the bottom line is to enjoy the ride but don't bet your future on your sexy SB making you her life's work. And guess what? What is the best way to ruin a good friendship? You got it! Marry her.

Thanks. This was a good lesson for me. My first time in SA world. And first month and I was getting too excited. Thinking that I am falling in love. But. I need to do reality check. I will follow the advice and just keep the SD-SB relation at arrangement level. Sure. It won't go to the level above that.

Great advice.

[Hernando]

George, we have hashed this over multiple times but it is always fun to reiterate without rewriting the book.

Joe is absolutely correct and the review of this entire blog would be entertaining as well as informative. I have been on since the beginning and it is interesting to see how it has evolved. The direction most of us are going seems to be towards a higher quality Baby and away from the Nando 1 type girls who are desperately poor, substance addicted, and frequently active or semi pros who have often done time. I can't stress enough how important it is to date as " nice " a girl as possible who has ethics and a decent moral structure and upbringing. I know sugar dating and ethics could be an oxymoron, but times are changing. This is important because you are essentially putting control of your future in her hands and other anatomical parts. This is more so if you are married or have a sensitive job where going public could harm you.

Ah / falling in love / lust is so fine and I am "in love" with my SB as are many of our brothers here. We tend to confuse true love with true lust I believe. The lustful passionate part of any relationship lasts from 1 to 2 years where all reason tends to go out the door and we men are blithering idiots around a hot girl who (seems to) adores us (our money ). The operative word is "seem " and " money " The girls are mostly here for Sugar and in return they will treat us to the fantasy that we are seeking. The really smart, experienced, and mature SBs are fabulous actors and know where their bread is buttered, so they will perpetuate the fantasy. The not so smart ones will let their cover slip and it will be harder to "love " them. Now I personally believe that SDs and SBs can experience true love and even go on to an IRL relationship, but I would guess that it is a small minority. The rest of us experience the appearance and feeling of love, but our Sugars will ultimately go on with their real lives. Most want "the dream " a husband, good career. 2.2 kids, the white picket fence, BWW in the paved driveway, Beach cottage, you get the picture.

So the bottom line is to enjoy the ride but don't bet your future on your sexy SB making you her life's work. And guess what? What is the best way to ruin a good friendship? You got it! Marry her.

[TravelinSD]

I would throw out a word of caution here. I'm not saying that it's not possible to have a great SB who's a dancer. I hope you have found one. Just be aware that in all the aspects of the paid adult world from SBs, to escorts, to strippers, none is more skilled or trained at deceiving and extracting $$$ from a guy for very little return than a stripper. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions, but just don't let your emotions get ahead of your pocketbook.

A good site from years ago (still live) which serves as an example is www.ihatestippers.com This site has a series of voicemails between a stripper and her target that are both hilarious and scary. I'm sure you're nothing like the guy who is duped by this woman, but it still shows the mentality of many dancers.

Don't mean to be such a bummer with my last two posts.

One of my new SBs is over for dinner tonight and I have M&Gs Mon and Tue evenings. Hopefully more positive reports will come out of those.

Happy hunting!

Drummer

Well, not really, but M&G #3 with SB23 went very well last night.

But first, before I delve into the details, let me wish you, Mandy, all the best as you finish up your schoolwork for the semester. I've very much enjoyed your contributions here, and if this sounds like ass kissing, it probably is, because you sound like one awesome girl.

Now back to the topic at hand. M&G #2 with SB23, just last Wednesday, went so well that she suggested I stop by her strip club after work last night to meet again. Seeing as how it's not far from my office, who am I to refuse? Plus, I like to be able to window shop before I make a major purchase, and this seemed like the ideal situation in which to sample the goods before making any decisions.

I arrived a little before she was ready, as she had acquired a "surprise" for me and was making sure everything was perfect. When she emerged from the dressing room, I had to pick up my jaw off the floor. Oh. My. God. I knew she was attractive, but she obviously doesn't dress like this in public. She has the most perfectly-toned and tight little 23-year-old spinner body I've ever seen. Ever. And she's recently added some aftermarket see-cups for nice effect. Well done, SB23, well done. Oh, and the surprise (and I don't remember my telling her that this is one of my biggest turn-ons) was a sexy garter belt-cum-stockings outfit that showed off everything nicely.

We had a drink and a nice chat, and I watched her excellent moves during her stage set. She came back to chat for a while longer, and then we headed to the VIP for some private time. It was all good, clean fun, but the talk did turn sexy for a little while (favorite positions and so on). *She* brought up the subject of seeing each other again in a more, ahem, intimate location, which I consider a good sign. And we were able to reach a good compromise on sugar. Apropos of our recent discussions here, I proposed a bi-weekly allowance, to which she happily agreed. She is not comfortable with case-by-case P4P, saying that it would make her feel like a hooker. Not to rehash that discussion here again, but, at this point, I don't see her skipping out of town with my money, so we'll try the bi-weekly pay period plan for a while.

All in all, it was a great night, and, unless I am totally clueless, there are good times ahead. This is not to say that all is perfect in the sugar bowl, as I still have to figure out what to do with USB (unemployed SB). I am hoping that her impending start at a new job will make my decision for me, in that she'll have less time to play.

OK, that's enough for now. Enjoy the weekend, wherever it takes you, my friends.

Regards,

Joe

[TravelinSD]

I'll throw in my two cents on SB love. I was in love with mine and I truly still believe she was with me. The thing you need to realize and accept is you will get burned eventually. I'm still trying to evaluate if it was worth it. I think it was. I spent a year with a hot 23 yo HCB who I had a ton of fun with. The thing is this. If she is 20-something and in college, she has an entirely different life apart from your relationship including other friends and possibly RLBF or at least casual relationships. You will never be part of this world. Eventually she will move on.

I'm not saying it's not ok to fall in love with your SB. The nature of the relationships make it difficult for it not to happen. Just realize that it's not forever and be prepared for the inevitable pain that will follow.

Enjoy it while you can though!

Drummer

[JoesParty]

Joe: good to hear that you are getting a good start with SB. God Luck with it.

I had a date yesterday, nice day to spend with SB. Dinner, movie, etc. She was rushing for the date and god pulled over (ticket) so little bad start. But. In all. Dinner was very nice, romantic. She opened up. But it kept me wondering. As she is genuine and honest. Am I falling in love with this SB? How real is this world? Am I creating a separate world here to fulfill my dreams? Anyway, at dinner place, there was live band. And some of the songs got us excited, attracted to each other more. It kept me bugging all day today. Why am I thinking about my SB so much?

Will see. But qns to my friends, how much emotionally are you getting attached to SBs? I am new and it is killing me as I am texting with her almost hourly.

George, this is a common discussion item here, and trust me, you're not alone. I assume you've read some of the recent (I'm thinking the last couple of months here) posts?

My post yesterday was somewhat tongue in cheek, but I've been in your shoes. IMHO, if you had as close to a "real" date as possible and you two clicked on an emotional level, it is only natural to be having these butterflies. I don't mean to put a damper on things, though, when I say that you need to be careful. It could happen in any relationship, of course, but when there's sugar involved, you don't want to be in a situation where you could be taken advantage of.

If you haven't already, go back and read these threads for a couple hours. There is invaluable information on getting too attached, IRL GFE situations, love, and protecting yourself (and your family, if you have one at home).

My advice: enjoy the ride, but try to take it slow. Easier said than done, I realize.

[GeorgeRichmond]

Well, not really, but M&G #3 with SB23 went very well last night.

But first, before I delve into the details, let me wish you, Mandy, all the best as you finish up your schoolwork for the semester. I've very much enjoyed your contributions here, and if this sounds like ass kissing, it probably is, because you sound like one awesome girl.

Now back to the topic at hand. M&G #2 with SB23, just last Wednesday, went so well that she suggested I stop by her strip club after work last night to meet again. Seeing as how it's not far from my office, who am I to refuse? Plus, I like to be able to window shop before I make a major purchase, and this seemed like the ideal situation in which to sample the goods before making any decisions.

I arrived a little before she was ready, as she had acquired a "surprise" for me and was making sure everything was perfect. When she emerged from the dressing room, I had to pick up my jaw off the floor. Oh. My. God. I knew she was attractive, but she obviously doesn't dress like this in public. She has the most perfectly-toned and tight little 23-year-old spinner body I've ever seen. Ever. And she's recently added some aftermarket see-cups for nice effect. Well done, SB23, well done. Oh, and the surprise (and I don't remember my telling her that this is one of my biggest turn-ons) was a sexy garter belt-cum-stockings outfit that showed off everything nicely.

We had a drink and a nice chat, and I watched her excellent moves during her stage set. She came back to chat for a while longer, and then we headed to the VIP for some private time. It was all good, clean fun, but the talk did turn sexy for a little while (favorite positions and so on). *She* brought up the subject of seeing each other again in a more, ahem, intimate location, which I consider a good sign. And we were able to reach a good compromise on sugar. Apropos of our recent discussions here, I proposed a bi-weekly allowance, to which she happily agreed. She is not comfortable with case-by-case P4P, saying that it would make her feel like a hooker. Not to rehash that discussion here again, but, at this point, I don't see her skipping out of town with my money, so we'll try the bi-weekly pay period plan for a while.

All in all, it was a great night, and, unless I am totally clueless, there are good times ahead. This is not to say that all is perfect in the sugar bowl, as I still have to figure out what to do with USB (unemployed SB). I am hoping that her impending start at a new job will make my decision for me, in that she'll have less time to play.

OK, that's enough for now. Enjoy the weekend, wherever it takes you, my friends.

Regards,

Joe

Joe: good to hear that you are getting a good start with SB. God Luck with it.

I had a date yesterday, nice day to spend with SB. Dinner, movie, etc. She was rushing for the date and god pulled over (ticket) so little bad start. But. In all. Dinner was very nice, romantic. She opened up. But it kept me wondering. As she is genuine and honest. Am I falling in love with this SB? How real is this world? Am I creating a separate world here to fulfill my dreams? Anyway, at dinner place, there was live band. And some of the songs got us excited, attracted to each other more. It kept me bugging all day today. Why am I thinking about my SB so much?

Will see. But qns to my friends, how much emotionally are you getting attached to SBs? I am new and it is killing me as I am texting with her almost hourly.

[JoesParty]

Well, not really, but M&G #3 with SB23 went very well last night.

But first, before I delve into the details, let me wish you, Mandy, all the best as you finish up your schoolwork for the semester. I've very much enjoyed your contributions here, and if this sounds like ass kissing, it probably is, because you sound like one awesome girl.

Now back to the topic at hand. M&G #2 with SB23, just last Wednesday, went so well that she suggested I stop by her strip club after work last night to meet again. Seeing as how it's not far from my office, who am I to refuse? Plus, I like to be able to window shop before I make a major purchase, and this seemed like the ideal situation in which to sample the goods before making any decisions.

I arrived a little before she was ready, as she had acquired a "surprise" for me and was making sure everything was perfect. When she emerged from the dressing room, I had to pick up my jaw off the floor. Oh. My. God. I knew she was attractive, but she obviously doesn't dress like this in public. She has the most perfectly-toned and tight little 23-year-old spinner body I've ever seen. Ever. And she's recently added some aftermarket c-cups for nice effect. Well done, SB23, well done. Oh, and the surprise (and I don't remember my telling her that this is one of my biggest turn-ons) was a sexy garter belt-cum-stockings outfit that showed off everything nicely.

We had a drink and a nice chat, and I watched her excellent moves during her stage set. She came back to chat for a while longer, and then we headed to the VIP for some private time. It was all good, clean fun, but the talk did turn sexy for a little while (favorite positions and so on). *She* brought up the subject of seeing each other again in a more, ahem, intimate location, which I consider a good sign. And we were able to reach a good compromise on sugar. Apropos of our recent discussions here, I proposed a bi-weekly allowance, to which she happily agreed. She is not comfortable with case-by-case P4P, saying that it would make her feel like a hooker. Not to rehash that discussion here again, but, at this point, I don't see her skipping out of town with my money, so we'll try the bi-weekly pay period plan for a while.

All in all, it was a great night, and, unless I am totally clueless, there are good times ahead. This is not to say that all is perfect in the sugar bowl, as I still have to figure out what to do with USB (unemployed SB). I am hoping that her impending start at a new job will make my decision for me, in that she'll have less time to play.

OK, that's enough for now. Enjoy the weekend, wherever it takes you, my friends.

Regards,

Joe