"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Hernando** · 11-11-11 14:28

Good luck Scott.

I spent 24 hours with my Sweetheart and have lost the desire to carouse. Why seek something you already have? I'll tell you how bad I've got it. I even started imagining having a baby with her. And I don't even like babies LOL. Now that is insane. Who is it that mentioned the 12 step treatment for addiction? Maybe you and I need to sign up.

I forget, are you married Scott? This presents an issue over and above the age discrepancy. Your baby might like it because the relationship can't go anywhere or she might start wanting you to make a move. The former is tough because you know she will meet someone who is available since all girls want that mom and apple pie dream to come true. The latter will stress you unmercifully since you don't want to lose her but don't want to upset your applecart. If you are single then go for it!

You know what they call a girl who marries a guy 20-30-40 yrs her senior? Nurse.

**F Scott** · 11-11-11 10:24

Golf,

You are certainly right, nothing lasts forever, but for now at least, I'm happy pretending that it will.

Keep up the good work, and see you when I see you.

Scott

**Golfcart** · 11-11-11 02:16

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Farewell, my brothers, at least for now

Gentlemen,

I am just back from spending the afternoon with my 21 year-old college ATF and I am now well-resolved. It was so fun, and so natural, easy and satisfying, in all areas, that I think I am done with all other babies. Today was such a contrast from my previous experience being bored to death by Bo Derek's granddaughter on Tuesday that I can't ignore what clearly is a sign. Plus, what with winter acomin' on and all, I think I'm just going to focus on her and give myself some peace from all this running around, coffee drinking, and disappointment.

Thus, my postings will probably drop off precipitously, as I really don't feel good sharing details about her, frankly, but I am happy to assist anyone out there who wants to pm me for general approach details, tactics etc. Several of you have already, and I enjoy the discourse. Nando and Tigger, add my name to yours in the Big Book of Monogamous SDs. I'm already looking forward to getting her something special for Christmas! I'm a goner!

Keep up the good work, my brothers, and don't let this excellent thread slowly die. We owe it to Lit to keep it active. Hobby, maybe it's your turn to step up to the podium.

Scott

Nothing lasts in this business, Scott, and this is a P4P business. It's a function of the SB's age and our's (Father Time and nature). We can't push on a string and we can't push on nature. Have a good time while it lasts. See Ya soon. Ye 'Ol Party Pooper, Golfcart whose been there and done that.

P. S. Lit has been AWOL long enough.

**Spitfire** · 11-10-11 23:50

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

I am just back from spending the afternoon with my 21 year-old college ATF and I am now well-resolved. It was so fun, and so natural, easy and satisfying, in all areas, that I think I am done with all other babies. Today was such a contrast from my previous experience being bored to death by Bo Derek's granddaughter on Tuesday that I can't ignore what clearly is a sign. Plus, what with winter acomin' on and all, I think I'm just going to focus on her and give myself some peace from all this running around, coffee drinking, and disappointment.

Thus, my postings will probably drop off precipitously, as I really don't feel good sharing details about her, frankly, but I am happy to assist anyone out there who wants to pm me for general approach details, tactics etc. Several of you have already, and I enjoy the discourse. Nando and Tigger, add my name to yours in the Big Book of Monogamous SDs. I'm already looking forward to getting her something special for Christmas! I'm a goner!

Keep up the good work, my brothers, and don't let this excellent thread slowly die. We owe it to Lit to keep it active. Hobby, maybe it's your turn to step up to the podium.

Scott

Good luck and enjoy your time together with her!

**F Scott** · 11-10-11 18:29

Gentlemen,

I am just back from spending the afternoon with my 21 year-old college ATF and I am now well-resolved. It was so fun, and so natural, easy and satisfying, in all areas, that I think I am done with all other babies. Today was such a contrast from my previous experience being bored to death by Bo Derek's granddaughter on Tuesday that I can't ignore what clearly is a sign. Plus, what with winter acomin' on and all, I think I'm just going to focus on her and give myself some peace from all this running around, coffee drinking, and disappointment.

Thus, my postings will probably drop off precipitously, as I really don't feel good sharing details about her, frankly, but I am happy to assist anyone out there who wants to pm me for general approach details, tactics etc. Several of you have already, and I enjoy the discourse. Nando and Tigger, add my name to yours in the Big Book of Monogamous SDs. I'm already looking forward to getting her something special for Christmas! I'm a goner!

Keep up the good work, my brothers, and don't let this excellent thread slowly die. We owe it to Lit to keep it active. Hobby, maybe it's your turn to step up to the podium.

Scott

**MyHobby** · 11-10-11 10:14

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Spit,

These are words of wisdom which explain all sorts of seemingly aberrant behavior. Who in their right mind would cheat on Sandra Bullock? And yet

You know the old saying."For every hot chic out there I'll show you some guy sick of banging her".

**MyHobby** · 11-10-11 10:13

Google her email address. Seen some pretty interesting hits.

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

In the interest of upping the posts, I submit this topic: "How to know your SB is really a pro" I submit, as a starter, that she addresses you as "Hun".

Contributions are welcome.

Scott

**F Scott** · 11-09-11 17:28

How about if all her profile photos are clearly taken in the dressing room of a strip club, or if they contain her phone number in glowing neon numerals?

**F Scott** · 11-09-11 16:40

How about when they contact you to say they have a hotel room for the next couple of days, and were wondering if you'd like to stop by as your first meeting? This really happened to me. I declined.

In a similar vein, I had one "baby" email me about getting together, and I did my usual "let's meet someplace public for coffee and see if we have any chemistry" spiel, and she emailed back "oh that's right, you guys are all about 'chemistry'." Also declined.

Or if they list their occupation as "entertainer" and you know they're not doing stand-up.

More?

Scott

**Hernando** · 11-09-11 12:41

Well Scott, you are demonstrating the difference between a random fuckfest vs emotional attatchment.

When you have found your own "gold standard " then all others pale next to what she provides. It just goes to show that emotional engagement is necessary for us to be truely happy but is fraught with hazards. After all, the reason most of us are Mongers is because we are not satisfied at home. No es la verdad? I am essentially a one girl type of guy run wild.

My HYB SO SB totally rings all my bells and I no longer have the need to get a random piece of action. I will ride that wave as long as she is there for me. I think as a Daddy I am keeping her happy and in enough $$. The problem is the usual when I am into someone emotionally I get sad when we don't communicate and begin to wonder what is going on. I want her to feel as engaged with me as I am with her. And so it goes. Someone said that he knows he is in love when he uses condoms with the other chicks he goes to bed with.

Pro or not? 1) and 2) sweet nothings (hun and babe are the top two I heard) and google hits have been mentioned by others. 3) Hourly bias suggests that mentality. Hookers do not want to hang out. They are used to hit and run; 4) GPS-high dollar attitude; 5) definite dollar amount (usually hourly) is suggestive but not a sure thing. Hookers know the score although my SB threw out a number but said she wasn't sure that was reasonable and what did I think? Monthly goals are less hookerish. 6) infrequent availability-pros usually have clients and rarely have all night to spend with one guy. Now time depends on the SB-she could be married, have kids, have a demanding job, etc, and thus may not be available for extended times, so you have to take that into account.

Recommendations:

1) request a date-dinner and / or drinks plus "play time" If you hit it off and she says that she would like to see you upstairs now or later then discuss the following items.

2) ask if they are pros."no offence, just asking, not judging. But, etc" Amateurs may feel that you are not a player if you prefer a non pro. If she is a pro then sign her up and enjoy her if that is what you want at the moment.

3) overnights / trips. Make it clear that you expect long dates sometimes. SB' s should not be hourly workers.

4) don't offer to pay a SB by the hour-ever. This is the hallmark of a pro. One of the advantages of a SB is "one allowance fits all " If she gives a price list then she is pro.

5) discuss allowance. Some of us recommend getting that straight before hand, others don't discuss it at all and drop an envelope in their bag after the date. I think that it's best to get the business done before so there won't be hurt feelings or you won't over tip her the first time in the flush of post coital elation.

6) emotional investment. Get it straight in your mind what you are really looking for. Some want none and don't want to have any personal contact. I want and got a SB with all of the sweetness without the clinginess. Be careful what you ask for. You could fall for her.

Good hunting! Nando

**Varoom** · 11-08-11 21:57

When you google that phone number and the computer leaps off the table from all the hits. WOW!

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

In the interest of upping the posts, I submit this topic: "How to know your SB is really a pro" I submit, as a starter, that she addresses you as "Hun".

Contributions are welcome.

Scott

**F Scott** · 11-08-11 20:39

Gentlemen,

In the interest of upping the posts, I submit this topic: "How to know your SB is really a pro" I submit, as a starter, that she addresses you as "Hun".

Contributions are welcome.

Scott

**F Scott** · 11-08-11 19:54

Originally Posted by Spitfire [View Original Post]

Even the hottest girl loses her appeal if you don't feel the chemistry.

Spit,

These are words of wisdom which explain all sorts of seemingly aberrant behavior. Who in their right mind would cheat on Sandra Bullock? And yet

**F Scott** · 11-08-11 19:48

Tigg,

Thanks for the support. It's funny you mention scheduling too much time. I had originally been resentful that with the rain and all we would only have three hours, but I was counting the minutes at the end. I think I may just pull in my horns for a bit and concentrate on my ATF. She is so sweet, smart, funny, pretty and sexy, and seems to really like our time together. Plus, the sex is off the charts, and she is inventive, creative and an active participant. What is my fixation on multi-fucking?

Not to get too scientific at this moment, but I read an article in The New Yorker many years ago that described a study which correlated the ratio of testicle size to body mass in various vertebrates with the drive for sexual promiscuity. Apparently whales have huge testicles compared to their mass because whale mating is a giant sperm bath, with multiple males mating with every female they can swim next to. On the other hand, the dominant male in a troop of gorillas has very small testicles compared to his mass, since he doesn't have to worry about other, lesser males banging his babes as long as he is on watch. We humans are right on the edge. Testicles neither big enough to make us whales, so to speak, nor small enough to make us the dominant silverback. Hence, I am sure, the conflicting desires to fuck around as much as we can, and to seek stability. Perhaps we are the quixotic ones, not the babies.

Scott

**Spitfire** · 11-08-11 19:38

Scott and Tigg,

You've touched on the appeal of the SD / SB experience. If all you're after is a quick physical thing, you're better off with an escort. If you want more such as conversation and companionship, then the SD / SB thing is the way to go. Even the hottest girl loses her appeal if you don't feel the chemistry. For me anyway.