"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Spitfire** · 11-10-11 23:50

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

I am just back from spending the afternoon with my 21 year-old college ATF and I am now well-resolved. It was so fun, and so natural, easy and satisfying, in all areas, that I think I am done with all other babies. Today was such a contrast from my previous experience being bored to death by Bo Derek's granddaughter on Tuesday that I can't ignore what clearly is a sign. Plus, what with winter acomin' on and all, I think I'm just going to focus on her and give myself some peace from all this running around, coffee drinking, and disappointment.

Thus, my postings will probably drop off precipitously, as I really don't feel good sharing details about her, frankly, but I am happy to assist anyone out there who wants to pm me for general approach details, tactics etc. Several of you have already, and I enjoy the discourse. Nando and Tigger, add my name to yours in the Big Book of Monogamous SDs. I'm already looking forward to getting her something special for Christmas! I'm a goner!

Keep up the good work, my brothers, and don't let this excellent thread slowly die. We owe it to Lit to keep it active. Hobby, maybe it's your turn to step up to the podium.

Scott

Good luck and enjoy your time together with her!

**F Scott** · 11-10-11 18:29

Gentlemen,

I am just back from spending the afternoon with my 21 year-old college ATF and I am now well-resolved. It was so fun, and so natural, easy and satisfying, in all areas, that I think I am done with all other babies. Today was such a contrast from my previous experience being bored to death by Bo Derek's granddaughter on Tuesday that I can't ignore what clearly is a sign. Plus, what with winter acomin' on and all, I think I'm just going to focus on her and give myself some peace from all this running around, coffee drinking, and disappointment.

Thus, my postings will probably drop off precipitously, as I really don't feel good sharing details about her, frankly, but I am happy to assist anyone out there who wants to pm me for general approach details, tactics etc. Several of you have already, and I enjoy the discourse. Nando and Tigger, add my name to yours in the Big Book of Monogamous SDs. I'm already looking forward to getting her something special for Christmas! I'm a goner!

Keep up the good work, my brothers, and don't let this excellent thread slowly die. We owe it to Lit to keep it active. Hobby, maybe it's your turn to step up to the podium.

Scott

**MyHobby** · 11-10-11 10:14

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Spit,

These are words of wisdom which explain all sorts of seemingly aberrant behavior. Who in their right mind would cheat on Sandra Bullock? And yet

You know the old saying."For every hot chic out there I'll show you some guy sick of banging her".

**MyHobby** · 11-10-11 10:13

Google her email address. Seen some pretty interesting hits.

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

In the interest of upping the posts, I submit this topic: "How to know your SB is really a pro" I submit, as a starter, that she addresses you as "Hun".

Contributions are welcome.

Scott

**F Scott** · 11-09-11 17:28

How about if all her profile photos are clearly taken in the dressing room of a strip club, or if they contain her phone number in glowing neon numerals?

**F Scott** · 11-09-11 16:40

How about when they contact you to say they have a hotel room for the next couple of days, and were wondering if you'd like to stop by as your first meeting? This really happened to me. I declined.

In a similar vein, I had one "baby" email me about getting together, and I did my usual "let's meet someplace public for coffee and see if we have any chemistry" spiel, and she emailed back "oh that's right, you guys are all about 'chemistry'." Also declined.

Or if they list their occupation as "entertainer" and you know they're not doing stand-up.

More?

Scott

**Hernando** · 11-09-11 12:41

Well Scott, you are demonstrating the difference between a random fuckfest vs emotional attatchment.

When you have found your own "gold standard " then all others pale next to what she provides. It just goes to show that emotional engagement is necessary for us to be truely happy but is fraught with hazards. After all, the reason most of us are Mongers is because we are not satisfied at home. No es la verdad? I am essentially a one girl type of guy run wild.

My HYB SO SB totally rings all my bells and I no longer have the need to get a random piece of action. I will ride that wave as long as she is there for me. I think as a Daddy I am keeping her happy and in enough $$. The problem is the usual when I am into someone emotionally I get sad when we don't communicate and begin to wonder what is going on. I want her to feel as engaged with me as I am with her. And so it goes. Someone said that he knows he is in love when he uses condoms with the other chicks he goes to bed with.

Pro or not? 1) and 2) sweet nothings (hun and babe are the top two I heard) and google hits have been mentioned by others. 3) Hourly bias suggests that mentality. Hookers do not want to hang out. They are used to hit and run; 4) GPS-high dollar attitude; 5) definite dollar amount (usually hourly) is suggestive but not a sure thing. Hookers know the score although my SB threw out a number but said she wasn't sure that was reasonable and what did I think? Monthly goals are less hookerish. 6) infrequent availability-pros usually have clients and rarely have all night to spend with one guy. Now time depends on the SB-she could be married, have kids, have a demanding job, etc, and thus may not be available for extended times, so you have to take that into account.

Recommendations:

1) request a date-dinner and / or drinks plus "play time" If you hit it off and she says that she would like to see you upstairs now or later then discuss the following items.

2) ask if they are pros."no offence, just asking, not judging. But, etc" Amateurs may feel that you are not a player if you prefer a non pro. If she is a pro then sign her up and enjoy her if that is what you want at the moment.

3) overnights / trips. Make it clear that you expect long dates sometimes. SB' s should not be hourly workers.

4) don't offer to pay a SB by the hour-ever. This is the hallmark of a pro. One of the advantages of a SB is "one allowance fits all " If she gives a price list then she is pro.

5) discuss allowance. Some of us recommend getting that straight before hand, others don't discuss it at all and drop an envelope in their bag after the date. I think that it's best to get the business done before so there won't be hurt feelings or you won't over tip her the first time in the flush of post coital elation.

6) emotional investment. Get it straight in your mind what you are really looking for. Some want none and don't want to have any personal contact. I want and got a SB with all of the sweetness without the clinginess. Be careful what you ask for. You could fall for her.

Good hunting! Nando

**Varoom** · 11-08-11 21:57

When you google that phone number and the computer leaps off the table from all the hits. WOW!

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

In the interest of upping the posts, I submit this topic: "How to know your SB is really a pro" I submit, as a starter, that she addresses you as "Hun".

Contributions are welcome.

Scott

**F Scott** · 11-08-11 20:39

Gentlemen,

In the interest of upping the posts, I submit this topic: "How to know your SB is really a pro" I submit, as a starter, that she addresses you as "Hun".

Contributions are welcome.

Scott

**F Scott** · 11-08-11 19:54

Originally Posted by Spitfire [View Original Post]

Even the hottest girl loses her appeal if you don't feel the chemistry.

Spit,

These are words of wisdom which explain all sorts of seemingly aberrant behavior. Who in their right mind would cheat on Sandra Bullock? And yet

**F Scott** · 11-08-11 19:48

Tigg,

Thanks for the support. It's funny you mention scheduling too much time. I had originally been resentful that with the rain and all we would only have three hours, but I was counting the minutes at the end. I think I may just pull in my horns for a bit and concentrate on my ATF. She is so sweet, smart, funny, pretty and sexy, and seems to really like our time together. Plus, the sex is off the charts, and she is inventive, creative and an active participant. What is my fixation on multi-fucking?

Not to get too scientific at this moment, but I read an article in The New Yorker many years ago that described a study which correlated the ratio of testicle size to body mass in various vertebrates with the drive for sexual promiscuity. Apparently whales have huge testicles compared to their mass because whale mating is a giant sperm bath, with multiple males mating with every female they can swim next to. On the other hand, the dominant male in a troop of gorillas has very small testicles compared to his mass, since he doesn't have to worry about other, lesser males banging his babes as long as he is on watch. We humans are right on the edge. Testicles neither big enough to make us whales, so to speak, nor small enough to make us the dominant silverback. Hence, I am sure, the conflicting desires to fuck around as much as we can, and to seek stability. Perhaps we are the quixotic ones, not the babies.

Scott

**Spitfire** · 11-08-11 19:38

Scott and Tigg,

You've touched on the appeal of the SD / SB experience. If all you're after is a quick physical thing, you're better off with an escort. If you want more such as conversation and companionship, then the SD / SB thing is the way to go. Even the hottest girl loses her appeal if you don't feel the chemistry. For me anyway.

**BigTigger** · 11-08-11 19:20

Wow I had a similar experience. Mine was older, close to my age, but had a very young acting personality and a body that was out of this world. My first mistake was planning a long date for the first date that included sex (had two prior dates). Bad move, it provided way too much time to interact and get a feel for idiosyncrasies, personality flaws or other things that were weird, that bothered me.

Again, like Scott I'm there for the goodies, but by the time we actually got to the goodies, I had challenges that I don't usually have with others. I expect that the second time would be much better. However I was trying to step out from the norm and comfort of my Latina HYB and it just didn't work. Not only did I have to pay more, I just wasn't as interested emotionally, which affected me physically.

She wants to meet again, but I've already put a hold on that. I'm going back to comfort.

Scott, I can't give you any advice, but I can say, that I realized that I need more than banging body. I'm looking for an all around experience that meets my needs.

BigTigg.

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

When I first saw the above movie, I was much younger, and thought Dudley Moore was an idiot. Who in his right mind would not want to bang Bo Derek senseless?

Well, my brothers, I am at present older, arguably wiser, and after this morning have a more sympathetic understanding of where Dudley's head was at.

Scott

**F Scott** · 11-08-11 18:46

Gentlemen,

When I first saw the above movie, I was much younger, and thought Dudley Moore was an idiot. Who in his right mind would not want to bang Bo Derek senseless?

Well, my brothers, I am at present older, arguably wiser, and after this morning have a more sympathetic understanding of where Dudley's head was at.

I met up with my hot model / artist this morning, and despite a torrential downpour that paralyzed the city, by 10:12 we were safely tucked away in our hotel room, clothes were coming obediently off, and all signs seemed to point to an enjoyable two hours or so of aerobic fucking.

As predicted by Scottie and me, she was stunning. Legs for days, hips smaller than mine, perfect breasts, gorgeous face, killer lips, and a few tats which were useful as landmarks. We got the first round mutually out of the way, and I was settling in for a good, long session, hoping to make my way through her list before we had to give up the room. She was making appreciative noises, kissing me forcefully, and bucking gently, just like a naughty pony should. What's not to love, right?

And yet, and yet. About ten minutes into it, I found my mind wandering. And even more frightening, Scotties little mind seemed to be wandering as well. Normally he is able to keep his one eye firmly fixed on the activity at hand, focusing with laser-like attention and fueled by generic Viagra. But not today. I had to silently chide him to straighten up and get his head back into the game. Once more into the breach and all that.

It's not that she was doing anything wrong, or that she was not gorgeous, but there was no 'there' there. I made the mistake of trying to make small talk with her for a few minutes or so before we got down to business, and we are just not on the same planet, much less same page. She said the oddest things, and while I don't think there is any kind of cognitive impairment issues, she was just a little – flaky is the only word I can come up with.

Now I know some of you will say, 'Come on, Scott. If you want a great discussion, go date your college English professor. These are HYBs were talking about here. ' To which I would answer that I'm pretty sure my college English professor is enjoying his Eternal Reward at this point, and would resent my asking him out on a date, and add that I can't help it if I want both an HYB and some sort of intellectual involvement as well. Honestly, I kept thinking of my ATF college baby that I spent some time with last week, and who is on my dance card for this coming Thursday. Comparatively nowhere near as hot, but far more completely satisfying, and thus far more erotic.

Long story short, I couldn't wait to get her out of the room, jump in my car, and dash away into the safety of the afternoon's work load. Luckily, housekeeping knocked on the door, even though I put the 'Do Not Disturb' hanger facing out, and the mood, such as it was, was broken.

Now here's the kicker: I got four texts from her, until I had to turn my phone off, saying how much fun it was, how great in bed I was (thank you) , how much she is looking forward to getting together again when she gets back from her photo shoot (London, not the far east, sorry) , and suggesting possible days and times. I think I'm going to have to fake my own death. Am I an idiot? What is wrong with me? I'm fucking Bo Derek's granddaughter, and I can't keep my attention where it's supposed to be because I'm thinking about someone else. Lit, if you're out there, help me. Is Dudley Moore still alive? Does anyone have his phone number? Nando, what have you done to me?

If any of you have helpful advice, please post. I have three weeks to figure this out before she is back stateside.

As always, keep up the good work.

Scott

**F Scott** · 11-07-11 12:38

Hang in there, Smoke. Keep working on your profile, initial contact and follow up texts and techniques, and soon you'll be in your groove.

Best of luck,

Scott