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**ArrowMaker** · 08-04-11 19:42

Had a dream about Mallori today, what more can be said. Dreamed I meet the coochie keeper dragon, that approved of me and allowed me to explore that wonderful cave. She is a total sweet girl and great person, felt I had known her forever, made me so comfortable from the moment she opened the door. Not going to go into great detail for any and all to see, but in no way was I disappointed, never rushed and had a great dream with Mallori, if you have ever had a dream with her you know what I'm talking about. If you haven't then you are missing a heck of a dream. Hope to see her again soon.

AM

**BigH407** · 08-04-11 17:36

http://www.localescortpages.com/38/p...HINGS-IN.html#

Please tell me she's real! She's on BP, too as "Riley".

Any info, please PM.

She's a dream cum true.

**Woodwhiz** · 08-03-11 18:47

Originally Posted by Lovely Bbw Lee [View Original Post]

Just because you don't pay for porn, doesn't mean that no one else does. I have my own personal site, (have for about 3 years now) I don't have sex on the site. Until now. And I get a check every month from the site. Yes it's not a million dollars, but for a site that I do hardly nothing. I make something.

And yes not all porn shoot do you only get paid up front, if your wanted and liked you'll still get a cut. Especially if the video was put on DVD. A lot of porn shoot you do only get paid up front though.

If it wasn't for all the pay porn sites there wouldn't be much of any free porn at least of any quality. Do you think the major producers do it for free, no, they do it for their own pay sites and members download and post it on tube sites etc.

I don't know much about mongering but I do have enough knowledge about producing to at least keep me out of trouble while making a little money. Truth is the vast majority of actresses are paid either a day rate or on a per scene basis and unless you're a really big star, usually under contract, it's rare to get any backend money. That's why so many develop their own pay sites and feature dance around the country. The truth is, with the economy and free porn, even their day rates are down to around the $900 range and there are some more fetish type models in the central Fl area that are down to the $500 for the day which equates to 6-7 hrs. Of course there are exceptions to the rule and some develop a following for certain types of content and can do well at it but when they stray from their proven niche things don't go so well.

The ladies I've known that seem to do the best dabble in both dating and acting. As the girl who introduced me to producing always told me, she was far better off shooting some foot fetish videos for $75 per hr than sitting at home waiting for a call for a $200 date that may or may not come and she ends up with nothing. So you know, in the end she developed a pretty good following as a Domme / beatdown mistress and mainly does private work even though she does produce her own vids now and has a high 5 figure yearly income.

**Steve Pope** · 08-03-11 18:10

Originally Posted by Aesder [View Original Post]

Any info on Miss Joan advertised on this site?

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...45#post1245145

She is my and my s / o ATF. Very hott, clean, no drugs, fun, classy, smart professional. A real "keeper". Low Volume, day-time only M-F. Located in NW Orlando. Eat your wheaties and take your vitamins before seeing her. She will wear you out and you won't be able to wipe that grin off your face. I'm still smiling ear to ear. Bring your g / f or wife if you dare!

SP

**Jay7005** · 08-03-11 17:45

Guys,

Please stop complaining about prices, and how much girls make etc. SW are available starting at $20. There are a dozen ads on BP in the $50 range, and then there are those who want $150-200.

Is this any different than real life? I drive a Ford, but I see some of you in your BMWs, Mercedes and Cadillacs. Some of us shop Neiman Marcus, some at Wal-Mart, some at Goodwill. We all pay what we feel is a worthy price for the object of our choice.

What we have is a free market, in which prices and wages are determined by unrestricted competition between businesses (thank you Mr. Webster). If you don't like the prices, stop shopping Nieman Marcus. There is a thrift shop just down the street. Might be a little worn, or a little used, but if you can't afford new, buy what you can afford.

As for me, I'll see you in the check out line at Target. LOL!

Jay

**Lovely Bbw Lee** · 08-03-11 14:29

Originally Posted by Plzd269 [View Original Post]

I can honestly say I don, t remember when the last time I paid for porn. With it being so prevalent on the internet there is no need to pay for it, so I would venture to say your three titles have stopped producing any cash flow, just a guess Jenna I have no personal knowledge of that however my understanding of porn is that you getaid for the shoot and unless you are a superstar there are no backside earning or points being paid to talent. Myself I go for girls with personality and it is hit and miss quite often that's the nature of this hobby, no one get out free from issue it to hard emotionally.

Just because you don't pay for porn, doesn't mean that no one else does. I have my own personal site, (have for about 3 years now) I don't have sex on the site. Until now. And I get a check every month from the site. Yes it's not a million dollars, but for a site that I do hardly nothing. I make something.

And yes not all porn shoot do you only get paid up front, if your wanted and liked you'll still get a cut. Especially if the video was put on DVD. A lot of porn shoot you do only get paid up front though.

**Orlando Sun** · 08-03-11 13:42

This report might sound a little strange but here it goes. April McKenzie, you can look her up online for her adult videos, is here today only. I actually know her outside of the biz but never had the opportunity to take those huge naturals for a test drive. Hoping some of you give her a shot and report back to me. She is definitely legit. If you don't take my word for it, check out her movies.

http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEs...ets-25/4952352

**EscortHobbyist** · 08-03-11 08:58

Just wanted to mention here that I had a dream of Jersey the other day and it was a spectacular dream. No sense hashing out the dream, you others know how fantastic she is. After I attain my goal for this "season" I am repeating with Jersey and a few others regularly.

**Aesder** · 08-03-11 00:06

Any info on Miss Joan advertised on this site?

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...45#post1245145

**Mojoworks** · 08-02-11 22:08

So I logged on to an escort message board and got an economics lesson. Here's some of my thoughts.

There will always be girls available, of all ranges of sexineess, performance, and affordability. It is the worlds oldest profession.

Few of the ladies in this business earn six figures and fewer still keep a signicant amount of what they earn.

There are a few that handle their business and do very well. I know a window girl in Amsterdam that buys a new house in her her hometown of Venice Italy about once a year and has been doing it fifteen years.

When you do find a good provider, treat her well, and tip her well. These two things will help insure that your calls are answered and will also often make your next session (s) better.

**VerySlowly** · 08-02-11 20:32

Originally Posted by Sillyolman [View Original Post]

Dude, you nailed it.

You guys are nuts if you think the average girl makes anywhere near that kind of money. If a girl were extremely focused and had no emotional issues with herself or the business, could in fact handle 3-4 dates a day for 5 days a week and she could command $200+ per session, then perhaps she could come close to those high figures.

I don't know nor have I ever known a woman who could sustain that kind of pace and I've known many, many ladies on more than a professional basis.

In a study by a famous economist it was estimated that only 2% of the ladies that enter the profession come out of the business with enough money to sustain themselves for the remainder of their lives.

That means 98% do not. Most of the money goes to Drugs, Alcohol, Pimps, hangers on and incredibly poor spending decisions, these decisions are usually made to boost their low self esteem. Unfortunately buying stuff is only a temporary fix exactly like a drug. It never works on a permanent basis.

There is one woman on here who talks a good game, constantly brags about being a porn star and is forever retiring and the truth is she is broke has never made a dime from her Porn work and can't pay her rent. These remarks are not to "Put anyone down" but only to illustrate the Personality Disorders that run rampant in this profession. Someone mentioned Heidi Fleiss, the last time I saw her she was fighting for her life in a re-hab program, sure there are people who score big, just as their are in any business, but odds are most guys don't know any, so before you start developing an attitude about your next date and how much money she's making, think about all the bitching there is about girls who flake on a date and don't respond on your second call, or who perform poorly, ask yourself why? No successful business person runs their successful business poorly.

So gents while there are a few very smart women, in fact most of you even know one (But you don't know it) who handle their life in a orderly manner but most do not. So fantisize all you want, run those big numbers and then look around when you go on your next date and ask yourself if she is making 70--400K why is she in such dis-array, I would say that there is no gentleman on this board who could trade places with any girl in the business and last 2-days, this is a testament to ALL WOMEN. Think this through, really think through what a provider goes through in her daily life and think if you could do it 6-8 times a day 5 days a week and for how long as someone on here pontificated as his assumption!

I personally wish this was not true, I wish every girl had her head on straight, I wish there were no wars that governments were not corrupt, but all my wishing changes not one fact. These ladies are not getting rich, if someone could show me a few I would be thrilled-VS

**PeterPiper52** · 08-02-11 12:49

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl [View Original Post]

I like your style Seminole John. Exactly! You get what you pay for!

Well Jerseygirl, not always. I'm willing to be that hobbyists on this forum have spent big bucks and had terrible service. I for one have experienced this. And, I've seen a provider here in Tampa who's fee is $1. 0, and is a sweetheart. As she told me, there aren't many jobs in this world that you can make a hundred bucks an hour. She's well respected here, and always looks like she just stepped out of a photo shoot. So, the statement "you get what you pay for" doesn't always hold water.

**SpecialOne8** · 08-02-11 03:23

While I usually agree with your posts here SM, truth is the business-minded ladies do in fact make 200 to 400K a year, NET. Even at the price of a C-note, if that young lady sees just 4 clients that day, her gross is 400; less the $39. 99 a day room, the crappy food she eats over the course of the day (another Hamilton) , throw in mostly inexpensive clothes which average less than $50. 00 an outfit x 4 outfits a month; cellphone; 5 bucks a day (and that's generous) for makeup, and her costs (less transportation) are around $70 to $75 bucks a day. Rounding-down, let's say she clears 3 bills; multiply that times 5 days a week (allowing for her cycle) and she's making $1500. 00 a week. Multiply that by 4 weeks, and she's clearing 6K a month; times 12 months and that's a cool 70K+ a year. And this is if she only sees 4 clients a day@a C-note each! We all know many of these girls see 6 to 8 clients a day, and charge upto 3 bills for an hour; so please, don't tell us how these ladies make far less than 200K a year. If they claim poverty, they are either lying to you or smoking their profits up a glass tube. How else can you explain "The Happy Hooker" "Mayflower Madam" or Heidi Fleiss? These madams only became wealthy because they made their ladies even wealthier with their money-makers. While the clientele they saw spent thousands on these girls, fact is, indies make a lot of mulah; A LOT OF MULAH!

I have had 5-star service from a car-date, and lousy service from. 3 / Hr girls. I have learned the hard way the fee required rarely justifies the service. If the ladies want to make serious cash, all they need to do is stand behind what they advertise. Those that do, have followings of clients that practically kiss their ass for months, if not years. I had one such experience with a UCF student years ago. Her GFE never went higher than. 13 for the hour, and she never once looked at the clock when I was in her arms. Since then, I've had good and poor experiences, paying more, and less; but none have ever met her performance. So paying more RARELY guarantees getting a higher-quality service.

Therefore, seeking FS for a Franklin for hour of her time is in fact reasonable, because let's face it; most "hours" rarely exceed 20 minutes with most clients on their lunch or dinner-hour. While many of our members here are not stereo-typical, most men ARE. So expecting basic FS for a Franklin is not asking too much at all. Now if you are more like me; you seek passion. Passion should and usually does cost more. If what is advertised is what I get, I have no problem meeting a higher (but still reasonable) fee.

Originally Posted by Seminole John [View Original Post]

I mostly agree with what you said but there is a floor to prices. Just like you can sell any car that runs for $500, below a certain point even a meth addict on OBT isn't going to do any thing for you.

Hey I'm all for low prices but just like we want the girls to be fair to us, we need to be fair to them. We also have to keep in mind what we pay them is gross income not net. Like any other buisness they have expenses. Clothing, make up, rent for incalls, heck even gas for outcalls isn't trivial today. Plus that hour she spends with you is more like an hour and a half or two hours work for her with prep and clean up.

Point is that even though we may pay a girl $200 per hour that doesn't mean she's taking home $400k a year. If we want to keep the good ones around we have to make it worthwhile for them.

**OldPumper** · 08-02-11 02:57

Originally Posted by Seminole John [View Original Post]

I mostly agree with what you said but there is a floor to prices. Just like you can sell any car that runs for $500, below a certain point even a meth addict on OBT isn't going to do any thing for you.

Hey I'm all for low prices but just like we want the girls to be fair to us, we need to be fair to them. We also have to keep in mind what we pay them is gross income not net. Like any other buisness they have expenses. Clothing, make up, rent for incalls, heck even gas for outcalls isn't trivial today. Plus that hour she spends with you is more like an hour and a half or two hours work for her with prep and clean up.

Point is that even though we may pay a girl $200 per hour that doesn't mean she's taking home $400k a year. If we want to keep the good ones around we have to make it worthwhile for them.

I have always agreed with the fairness idea when it comes escort. I have and will always be a good tipper if I see an escort. And I will admit to over tipping and over paying an escort if she's hot and seems to be enjoying what she does as well as I'm enjoying her. Although there are great finds out there with really low prices. As the old saying go's you get what you pay for stands true in the end. Even if I run into a gal with a really low donation rate, I will still tip her a bit more after the dream is over. Maybe it's just me but, if I take the time out of my day to go see an escort. And most here can see that I do like the hot lean spinner types, I just find it hard to be cheap with any hot gal out there. I pay top dollar for cleanliness, quality and great service bottom line! It's rare, but if I go see and escort and she's really hot with low, low rates first thing comes to mind is man this gal has no idea of her true self worth or true value. Most gals that I do tend to repeat with usually pick up on the first or second ring if they see my number calling that's a fact. I tend to stay the hour on my visits if the chemistry is right and the gals has a friendly attitude. The only time I usually stay for a fifteen minute or quick session is if there's something not right with the providers in call location. Something like her room reeks of stale smoke, she has roommates or friends lurking around the out side of her room, or if I get the feeling she's been having a bad day therefore I won't stay for the hour fearing the service may suck. Now if your the type of monger that likes to spend 60 to 80 on your fun, do you really think a gals going to jump for joy when she see your number calling her? Hell no trust me she won't! In fact you may set and appointment with her to spend your 60 to 80 on her only to find that when you show up at her in call she doesn't answer the phone for you. To sum it all up, most gals see a good number of mongers within a months time. But trust me most of the gals find it very hard to forget a good paying client. Like SJ said, if we want to keep the good ones around we have to make it worthwhile for them. Or end up with a city full of strung out bottom feeding gals baiting us with crazy low rates but willing to put our safety at risk as well as our health. Most have PM me asking how do I get so many great pictures of the gals I've dreamed with. All I can say is respect the gal and treat her like a lady start to finish! And the number one thing that puts icing on the cake is to pay her well if you really want her to show you an even better time the next time around if you're planning to repeat with her. Happy hunting! OP

**Seminole John** · 08-01-11 22:55

Originally Posted by Quasimodo45 [View Original Post]

As the price of the high price spread (Pun un-intended. But fitting) drops. The price of the bottom feeders will drive them out of business (those that free is far too high a price. About half of backpage). Then the price of the quality stuff will stabilize & be supported.

If you shop carefully. There are some very fine pickings at decent prices these days. (Far more so than a year ago.)

Real supply & demand is a wonderful thing.

I mostly agree with what you said but there is a floor to prices. Just like you can sell any car that runs for $500, below a certain point even a meth addict on OBT isn't going to do any thing for you.

Hey I'm all for low prices but just like we want the girls to be fair to us, we need to be fair to them. We also have to keep in mind what we pay them is gross income not net. Like any other buisness they have expenses. Clothing, make up, rent for incalls, heck even gas for outcalls isn't trivial today. Plus that hour she spends with you is more like an hour and a half or two hours work for her with prep and clean up.

Point is that even though we may pay a girl $200 per hour that doesn't mean she's taking home $400k a year. If we want to keep the good ones around we have to make it worthwhile for them.