"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Magic Rat** · 08-03-11 12:38

Well the Rat has been fishing in the HYB pond and, while getting a few nibbles, hasn't really landed anything suitable for mounting on his wall yet.

HYB1 has GPS and wanted a $500 sugar pill. She must have read the AOL article.

HYB2 we've exchanged pm's and plan our first meeting for lunch next week

HYB3 she doesn't qualify on any count but I did meet up with her. Early 30's, definitely not HB, did it all but no passion. Won't repeat.

HYB4 have exchanged emails and I'm's. Seems like the most promising of the bunch.

HYB5 exchanged a couple pm's. She says she's not an escort so don't expect sex. Think she wants to be paid to be a friend?

Several have exchanged a couple pm's on site but then didn't hear from again. Several never responded. Maybe the % responses aren't really that bad looking back on it.

I saw my MILF sb last week and I have to say, the HYB's have a tough row to hoe to match up with her. Her job situation is changing so it will be tough to meet up with her on a regular basis is the only reason I'm looking. Well that and some of you "pro's" great experiences.

I've also noticed new sbs signing up weekly keeping a steady stream of fresh pussy available. Is this a great time to be a monger or what?

**Hernando** · 08-03-11 11:18

I agree that there is no place on this site for acrimony and animosity. We are all here for one purpose only, and that is to get laid in any way that meets our individual fancy and budget. I respect everyone's taste and opinion even if I do not agree with it.

Photog seems to have a large fund of knowlege about the hobby and I enjoy reading the data he shares with us. The editorial slant does seem to be negative however and would respect his information more without it. I might put him on my ignore list. Others can too if you object to the disrespect and condescension.

**Literal2** · 08-02-11 20:38

Originally Posted by Richmond Fotog [View Original Post]

That was a pretty good paid "infomercial" for Brandon Wade which he is known to do. He looked a lot different today when CNN / HLN blew him and his story away.

"Mutual arrangement or prostitution?"

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/...ostitution.cnn

Some NYC multi-millionaire paying $22K / mth in rent, staying at the Ritz-Carlton, $1M a year in net income and $20M in net worth. All claims. The best he can offer a girl is $500 / night and call himself a Sugar Daddy? The local VCU girls and BP escorts do better than that.

Fotog, what the fuck is your problem?

Go ahead, boy, spit it out!

For some unfathomable reason you detest the idea of sugarbabes. Fine. Why are you on this thread?

I'm sorry, but your posts are replete with misinformation. Why do you bother? I don't want to use the "you make me laugh" cliche, but you are tempting me with your consistent weird inaccuracies.

Nobody cares if you want to play around with those AMP and SW types. Why do you care if we enjoy utrs? Please explain.

Not everyone has to have the same preferences. You are consistently uninformed and hostile / angry about * what? What is your issue?

Speak, man, old or young as you may be.

And you're a fotog, right? So post a goddam photograph of some girl you have fucked, please. Just to establish that you are an actual monger and aren't some kind of coot who can't get laid in a *house with a fistful of benjamins.

Jeez, I can get along with anybody but you are beginning to irritate me.

**Richmond Fotog** · 08-02-11 18:11

That was a pretty good paid "infomercial" for Brandon Wade which he is known to do. He looked a lot different today when CNN / HLN blew him and his story away.

"Mutual arrangement or prostitution?"

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/...ostitution.cnn

Some NYC multi-millionaire paying $22K / mth in rent, staying at the Ritz-Carlton, $1M a year in net income and $20M in net worth. All claims. The best he can offer a girl is $500 / night and call himself a Sugar Daddy? The local VCU girls and BP escorts do better than that.

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

Did anyone see the cover story on AOL today about the SD site Seeking Arrangement dot com? Sounds familiar doesn't it? The girls interviewed sound like they are in the nosebleed territory getting $20 K / week from the Wall Street crowd.

Never fear. There is always somebody for everyone at all different prices. Something I figured out early on, someone is always bigger, stronger, handsomer, richer, etc, than I am. So we just have to deal with the level of service that each one of us can manage.

**Richmond Fotog** · 08-02-11 14:24

The forum software works fine and accepts URL's. It also says BB Code is On All you have to do is follow the easy instructions. HTML is off on this forum, so you have to use BB Coding.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/misc.php?do=bbcode

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

USASG's editing software didn't accept the whole link.

**Golfcart** · 08-02-11 13:01

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

(edit delete) Meanwhile, I am personally winding down my sb activity and canceling my subscription to the one site I joined. I have a list of babes who will open their pussies for me when I ask them to. I'm not pursuing more. For now.

The only thing worse than not having enough is having too much.

The shelf life of that list is short. Three months can be a lifetime. Getting things going again is more work than before. We become more selective. Eventually we are back to golf and poker.

As the world turns.

**Literal2** · 08-02-11 12:39

Originally Posted by Rossfl [View Original Post]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_913373.html

That's it. Thanks Ross.

**Literal2** · 08-02-11 12:34

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Thanks Nando. I looked for the AOL article but wound up reading:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/29

This discusses the various sb / sd sites and interviews participants. It focuses on college girls using sb dating to pay down student loans. Some interesting facts are: the founder of the arrangements site says forty percent of 100, 000 plus women on that site are students; none of the women interviewed think of themselves as prostitutes; some sds are really rich and they get special access on that site; and NYU has the most sbs on that site while Harvard is ninth.

Fascinating reading for our hobby.

Meanwhile, I am personally winding down my sb activity and canceling my subscription to the one site I joined. I have a list of babes who will open their pussies for me when I ask them to. I'm not pursuing more. For now.

After the "/07/29/" you need to add " seeking-arrangement-college-students_n_913373. Html " to be taken directly to the article in the Huffington Post.

USASG's editing software didn't accept the whole link.

**Literal2** · 08-02-11 12:28

Thanks Nando. I looked for the AOL article but wound up reading:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/29

This discusses the various sb / sd sites and interviews participants. It focuses on college girls using sb dating to pay down student loans. Some interesting facts are: the founder of the arrangements site says forty percent of 100, 000 plus women on that site are students; none of the women interviewed think of themselves as prostitutes; some sds are really rich and they get special access on that site; and NYU has the most sbs on that site while Harvard is ninth.

Fascinating reading for our hobby.

Meanwhile, I am personally winding down my sb activity and canceling my subscription to the one site I joined. I have a list of babes who will open their pussies for me when I ask them to. I'm not pursuing more. For now.

**Rossfl** · 08-01-11 22:51

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_913373.html

**Hernando** · 08-01-11 14:12

Did anyone see the cover story on AOL today about the SD site Seeking Arrangement dot com? Sounds familiar doesn't it? The girls interviewed sound like they are in the nosebleed territory getting $20 K / week from the Wall Street crowd.

Never fear.there is always somebody for everyone at all different prices. Something I figured out early on, someone is always bigger, stronger, handsomer, richer, etc, than I am. So we just have to deal with the level of service that each one of us can manage.

**Literal2** · 07-31-11 16:10

Thanks to Golf and Nando for their provocative posts.

Golf, you said:

Real girlfriends like us and touch us in ordinary conversation. They get mad at us for things we don't do, like when we don't make plans. They want to show us off to their friends and when we give them money to buy something they give the change back. Look at another woman passing by and they go crazy. I've never had any of this happen in a P4P situation. And that's good.

Well, in my experience, this is true, but it seems to me you are describing ACTUAL GF's, girls you date for romance when you aren't married. Once you get locked up, most of the acts of GF affection you describe are dangerous to your legal health. Usually when you have a GF of the caliber you refer to at a time you are married, it is a miserable ass experience for both you and the woman. Or both you and both women.

If we're seeing a girl 30 years younger, look at a woman 30 years our senior. That's what she sees looking at us, along with the photos of the presidents we carry.

In my case, that would be 40 years not 30, but this is a technical point. I know what you mean.

With respect, I don't deny I may look like Pappy Yokum to some of the young things who want to get in my pants (to meet the presidents) , but I don't think I look like an Egyptian mummy. That would be next year, after I lose all my teeth and start motoring around in my wheelchair. I still clean up well enough to draw a compliment now and then from the girls. I smell good, I'm hetero and I know all about her body parts. Not all young men meet these standards.

That should help keep it real. There is nothing real in this fantasy world which we create for ourselves, not for her.

Ah, Golf, again I say respectfully: this isn't correct. The sex with sbs is 100% real and is raw sex stripped down to its essence, minus all the romantic embroidery crap. But wait, you probably are talking about the guys who seek involvement, not the ones who don't want it, like me. Still, even if geezer mongers kid themselves that a young woman is involved with them, the sex is still real. Raw sex is indeed real and natural, in my book. Of course the sb relationship with involvement won't last. If it lasted, you'd probably marry the lady.

The quote from Candlelight Kim is eloquent and she sounds like a perfect escort for a gentleman. Most of the sbs I've seen though are doing the utr thing temporarily, at least in their minds, and would greatly prefer to meet Mr. Right.

As I said, Golf, the above is said with respect. Your posts are always worthwhile reading.

Nando, I understand your desire for involvement. Inmo, sex plus romantic love is even better than stripped down raw sex without it, at least during the first phase when the sex partners are "in heat." Clinging can be a problem, as you indicate. But what most of us geezer mongers believe is that emotional involvement with an sb can lead to monger misery when the girl moves on, as Golf advises. As Snake has testified. So I understand the attraction the moth has for the flame, but I say to you, with respect, I think you are likely to get burned by your little gal.

Just my views. Great posts by you mongers.

**Hernando** · 07-30-11 20:23

Guys, I am curious to know how you are dealing with finding enough available SBs after working your area for a while? Lit seems to be able to keep them in the loop, but I motored through quite a few and the number of women in my area and age bracket are rather limited. I foraged around 100 miles from my home base, but can not manage girls much farther than 50 miles realistically. I can not give more than an hour each way for pussy.

My SB is performing well so far so I do not need to look right now, but I'm sure that day will come when my SB moves away or finds a better option.

**Hernando** · 07-30-11 20:15

Golf, you really know how to smack a guy back to reality. Thanks! I needed that! May I have another!

Gross! Disgusting! Thinking about a woman 30 years my senior has totally ruined my sex drive for.at least. 3 or 4 minutes. LOL

First off.A woman 30 years older is probably dead by now, and secondly.ugh! Disgusting!

YMMV guys and I certainly don't want to step on the toes of gents who might like older women, but I have found out from experience that women older than 40 (and only if they look 30) are about the cap for me. And I do like the youngsters in the 20's. Teenagers 18 to 21 do seem to be a little mechanical and immature. Something seems to happen in the next year or two to their maturity level so that many become better lovers.

I personally like the feeling of emotional involvement without the downside.that is a clinger.

**Golfcart** · 07-30-11 00:48

We never really know what is behind that smile.

Real girlfriends like us and touch us in ordinary conversation. They get mad at us for things we don't do, like when we don't make plans. They want to show us off to their friends and when we give them money to buy something they give the change back. Look at another woman passing by and they go crazy. I've never had any of this happen in a P4P situation. And that's good.

If we're seeing a girl 30 years younger, look at a woman 30 years our senior. That's what she sees looking at us, along with the photos of the presidents we carry. That should help keep it real. There is nothing real in this fantasy world which we create for ourselves, not for her.

Sorry to be a cynic but this place isn't natural and things don't last for long. It should be easy to not become involved.

I read this posted by Candlelight Kim of Connecticut. She said it all. If I've posted this before, it's worth reading again. "This profession affords me the opportunity to date interesting, educated, often affluent gentlemen without strings. This is something I honestly enjoy. Just like men like to have this sort of relationship, lots of women like it, too! There are many men I have known for some time that I would date in my "real life" but will continue to date them only as a paid companion. It keeps our boundaries clear, and the underlying reality of what our relationship is. Because we see each other on a limited basis, under as perfect conditions as we can both plan for, it creates an illusion, a fantasy world. Something that is unlikely to remain that way, should we cross the line into real world dating. This is part of the beauty of it."