"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Literal2** · 08-02-11 12:28

Thanks Nando. I looked for the AOL article but wound up reading:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/29

This discusses the various sb / sd sites and interviews participants. It focuses on college girls using sb dating to pay down student loans. Some interesting facts are: the founder of the arrangements site says forty percent of 100, 000 plus women on that site are students; none of the women interviewed think of themselves as prostitutes; some sds are really rich and they get special access on that site; and NYU has the most sbs on that site while Harvard is ninth.

Fascinating reading for our hobby.

Meanwhile, I am personally winding down my sb activity and canceling my subscription to the one site I joined. I have a list of babes who will open their pussies for me when I ask them to. I'm not pursuing more. For now.

**Rossfl** · 08-01-11 22:51

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_913373.html

**Hernando** · 08-01-11 14:12

Did anyone see the cover story on AOL today about the SD site Seeking Arrangement dot com? Sounds familiar doesn't it? The girls interviewed sound like they are in the nosebleed territory getting $20 K / week from the Wall Street crowd.

Never fear.there is always somebody for everyone at all different prices. Something I figured out early on, someone is always bigger, stronger, handsomer, richer, etc, than I am. So we just have to deal with the level of service that each one of us can manage.

**Literal2** · 07-31-11 16:10

Thanks to Golf and Nando for their provocative posts.

Golf, you said:

Real girlfriends like us and touch us in ordinary conversation. They get mad at us for things we don't do, like when we don't make plans. They want to show us off to their friends and when we give them money to buy something they give the change back. Look at another woman passing by and they go crazy. I've never had any of this happen in a P4P situation. And that's good.

Well, in my experience, this is true, but it seems to me you are describing ACTUAL GF's, girls you date for romance when you aren't married. Once you get locked up, most of the acts of GF affection you describe are dangerous to your legal health. Usually when you have a GF of the caliber you refer to at a time you are married, it is a miserable ass experience for both you and the woman. Or both you and both women.

If we're seeing a girl 30 years younger, look at a woman 30 years our senior. That's what she sees looking at us, along with the photos of the presidents we carry.

In my case, that would be 40 years not 30, but this is a technical point. I know what you mean.

With respect, I don't deny I may look like Pappy Yokum to some of the young things who want to get in my pants (to meet the presidents) , but I don't think I look like an Egyptian mummy. That would be next year, after I lose all my teeth and start motoring around in my wheelchair. I still clean up well enough to draw a compliment now and then from the girls. I smell good, I'm hetero and I know all about her body parts. Not all young men meet these standards.

That should help keep it real. There is nothing real in this fantasy world which we create for ourselves, not for her.

Ah, Golf, again I say respectfully: this isn't correct. The sex with sbs is 100% real and is raw sex stripped down to its essence, minus all the romantic embroidery crap. But wait, you probably are talking about the guys who seek involvement, not the ones who don't want it, like me. Still, even if geezer mongers kid themselves that a young woman is involved with them, the sex is still real. Raw sex is indeed real and natural, in my book. Of course the sb relationship with involvement won't last. If it lasted, you'd probably marry the lady.

The quote from Candlelight Kim is eloquent and she sounds like a perfect escort for a gentleman. Most of the sbs I've seen though are doing the utr thing temporarily, at least in their minds, and would greatly prefer to meet Mr. Right.

As I said, Golf, the above is said with respect. Your posts are always worthwhile reading.

Nando, I understand your desire for involvement. Inmo, sex plus romantic love is even better than stripped down raw sex without it, at least during the first phase when the sex partners are "in heat." Clinging can be a problem, as you indicate. But what most of us geezer mongers believe is that emotional involvement with an sb can lead to monger misery when the girl moves on, as Golf advises. As Snake has testified. So I understand the attraction the moth has for the flame, but I say to you, with respect, I think you are likely to get burned by your little gal.

Just my views. Great posts by you mongers.

**Hernando** · 07-30-11 20:23

Guys, I am curious to know how you are dealing with finding enough available SBs after working your area for a while? Lit seems to be able to keep them in the loop, but I motored through quite a few and the number of women in my area and age bracket are rather limited. I foraged around 100 miles from my home base, but can not manage girls much farther than 50 miles realistically. I can not give more than an hour each way for pussy.

My SB is performing well so far so I do not need to look right now, but I'm sure that day will come when my SB moves away or finds a better option.

**Hernando** · 07-30-11 20:15

Golf, you really know how to smack a guy back to reality. Thanks! I needed that! May I have another!

Gross! Disgusting! Thinking about a woman 30 years my senior has totally ruined my sex drive for.at least. 3 or 4 minutes. LOL

First off.A woman 30 years older is probably dead by now, and secondly.ugh! Disgusting!

YMMV guys and I certainly don't want to step on the toes of gents who might like older women, but I have found out from experience that women older than 40 (and only if they look 30) are about the cap for me. And I do like the youngsters in the 20's. Teenagers 18 to 21 do seem to be a little mechanical and immature. Something seems to happen in the next year or two to their maturity level so that many become better lovers.

I personally like the feeling of emotional involvement without the downside.that is a clinger.

**Golfcart** · 07-30-11 00:48

We never really know what is behind that smile.

Real girlfriends like us and touch us in ordinary conversation. They get mad at us for things we don't do, like when we don't make plans. They want to show us off to their friends and when we give them money to buy something they give the change back. Look at another woman passing by and they go crazy. I've never had any of this happen in a P4P situation. And that's good.

If we're seeing a girl 30 years younger, look at a woman 30 years our senior. That's what she sees looking at us, along with the photos of the presidents we carry. That should help keep it real. There is nothing real in this fantasy world which we create for ourselves, not for her.

Sorry to be a cynic but this place isn't natural and things don't last for long. It should be easy to not become involved.

I read this posted by Candlelight Kim of Connecticut. She said it all. If I've posted this before, it's worth reading again. "This profession affords me the opportunity to date interesting, educated, often affluent gentlemen without strings. This is something I honestly enjoy. Just like men like to have this sort of relationship, lots of women like it, too! There are many men I have known for some time that I would date in my "real life" but will continue to date them only as a paid companion. It keeps our boundaries clear, and the underlying reality of what our relationship is. Because we see each other on a limited basis, under as perfect conditions as we can both plan for, it creates an illusion, a fantasy world. Something that is unlikely to remain that way, should we cross the line into real world dating. This is part of the beauty of it."

**Literal2** · 07-28-11 04:47

There's a wide range of emotional involvement in sd / sb relationships. Nando seems to be in love, Snake27 had a funeral for his sb's cell phone when she left him, Golf has long term (monogamous?) relationships but manages to avoid emotional involvement.

I use to fear I'd get romantically involved if I really enjoyed fucking a particular sb, because fucking and romance were always in some mysterious way hard wired to each other in my system. Now I don't think I will. I instinctively start to withdraw from an sb emotionally after a few trips up her vag canal. I worry the girl will get attached, dependent, expectant, whatever. It means the fucking becomes less satisfying but I really don't desire the romance because it would mess me up.

At the other end of the spectrum was a monger on another thread who said all sbs were just pigs wallowing in filth (or some such shit). This is an extreme variation of the "all sbs are working girls" mantra, which is more of a moral judgment than it is descriptive of behavior. I think this belief helps prevent involvement for some.

**Hernando** · 07-27-11 18:28

All good advice Varoom, but the little head speaks with great authority. I envy you Mongers who have the emotional fortitude to keep your eye on the prize instead of getting sloppy about emotion. It must be the Latino in me. I am a very emotional guy.

I am only 40 years older than my SB. I don't see any reason why she wouldn't be passionately in love with me. LOL How many 60 yr olds get to bang 20 somethings? I'm glad I can still get it up, much less have a HYB ride it and seem to enjoy it. It is a pretty heady thing my friends, isn't it? I know most of us here are doing the same thing.

If my SB stops respecting me then I will move on. After all, her shamelessly kissing my ass and acting like she adores me is why I have stuck with only her for so long. For her part she has earned a years tuition in grad school already. It's like any business. Good customer service keeps the customer happy and returning for more. She is behaving exactly as a SB should if she wants to acquire and keep a Daddy. I see from the SD Site that there are a lot of fresh candidates just waiting to open their pussies for a new Daddy. Sadly, most of those I have met and that many of you have reported on are only good for a few fucks before they get greedy, start acting stupid, or are just incapable of any long term relationship.

I will keep riding down this slippery slop until it bottoms out. I would rather have loved and lost than never loved at all.

**Varoom** · 07-27-11 15:09

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Jeez Nando, you mean you are actually having strong emotions for a lovely young woman you are having fabulous sex with all night long, multiple nights a week when you can, and spending all your extra cash on, because she makes you feel wonderful? I AM SHOCKED!

Sounds like a slippery slope to me, getting emotionally involved with a sb. I don't care how good looking she is or how great the snatch is, it is merely setting up the ole SD. No way the HYB is going to have the same feelings for the old geezer that you might garner for her. She has feelings for 1) your wallet and 2) the results that the wallet can bring her way. Any other illusion on the part of a SD is just that, an illusion and a bad one at that. Keeping this in perspective will keep ole Dad from taking a BIG fall some day; (emotionally).

Plus, once a SB realizes that she has you right where she wants you, you then you become prey for her to manipulate you in ways that a clear thinking head would not permit. Not all SB's would do this, just most of them. So beware, this is a Slippery Slope and it only goes one way D-O-W-N.

**Literal2** · 07-27-11 14:52

Originally Posted by Cantwinlosin [View Original Post]

The potential SB that stood me up Sunday texted me last evening. Apparently she had gotten canned at her job and kicked out / bailed out of the place she was living with an abusive boyfriend, was broke and needed help. (I was right, by the way. She's a stripper who's been waitressing lately.) I decided to see just how bad off this girl was, so I met her and her female friend at a cheap eatery on Broad to discuss options. We eventually ended up in a cheap motel nearby (I covered the room for them) where the friend left for a while and she attempted to express her gratitude. Apparently, her gratitude wasn't that great. It was as dead a fuck as I've experienced in years.

I probably should have gone for the friend instead. But she too was a stripper.

I'm too damn nice a guy. She had her first impression, but I gave her a second. And she failed that one too.

You've got a bad run of luck going, CWL. Doesn't sound like you're having fun. I hope things turn around for you. Maybe this is just the law of averages catching up with you after all those babes you had when you were a kid.

**CantWinLosin** · 07-27-11 13:37

The potential SB that stood me up Sunday texted me last evening. Apparently she had gotten canned at her job and kicked out / bailed out of the place she was living with an abusive boyfriend, was broke and needed help. (I was right, by the way. She's a stripper who's been waitressing lately.) I decided to see just how bad off this girl was, so I met her and her female friend at a cheap eatery on Broad to discuss options. We eventually ended up in a cheap motel nearby (I covered the room for them) where the friend left for a while and she attempted to express her gratitude. Apparently, her gratitude wasn't that great - it was as dead a fuck as I've experienced in years.

I probably should have gone for the friend instead. But she too was a stripper.

I'm too damn nice a guy. She had her first impression, but I gave her a second. And she failed that one too.

**Literal2** · 07-27-11 12:59

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

We all know that a pro is a pro is a pro. Whether she is an active, full time practitioner of the sexly arts or a dabbler.

However, I agree with your feelings Cool. I have become enamoured with the lover on the side aspect that I am happily enjoying at present. I like the exclusiveness that comes with a true SB, and one gets to know the ebb and flow of her sexual needs.

The down side is caring too much about how the SB feels about you.

I am feeling a little waning of excitement on her part of late. Not very much. But knowing her pretty well I am worried that the bloom is off the rose. Normally I wouldn't care as a multifucker but now I do regarding her since I have become a monofucker. Mind you, her attitude is still over the top and if I can get by the need for her to "love me back " I am still getting 110% performance.

I have a list of my ATF escorts who I enjoy being with when the action ebbs with my SB. I have just been so busy with SB I have no funds left over for strange.

Jeez Nando, you mean you are actually having strong emotions for a lovely young woman you are having fabulous sex with all night long, multiple nights a week when you can, and spending all your extra cash on, because she makes you feel wonderful? I AM SHOCKED!

**Hernando** · 07-27-11 10:27

We all know that a pro is a pro is a pro.whether she is an active, full time practitioner of the sexly arts or a dabbler.

However, I agree with your feelings Cool. I have become enamoured with the lover on the side aspect that I am happily enjoying at present. I like the exclusiveness that comes with a true SB, and one gets to know the ebb and flow of her sexual needs.

The down side is caring too much about how the SB feels about you.

I am feeling a little waning of excitement on her part of late.not very much. But knowing her pretty well I am worried that the bloom is off the rose. Normally I wouldn't care as a multifucker but now I do regarding her since I have become a monofucker. Mind you, her attitude is still over the top and if I can get by the need for her to "love me back " I am still getting 110% performance.

I have a list of my ATF escorts who I enjoy being with when the action ebbs with my SB. I have just been so busy with SB I have no funds left over for strange.

**Varoom** · 07-27-11 08:12

Originally Posted by NiceGuy804 [View Original Post]

MILF or HYB, I don't much care, as long as GPS is not the problem. I see all of you referring to sb numbers. May I ask where the numbers come from? How can I see there info or profiles. Sb is PROBABLY the safest way for me to go at this point.

NiceGuy:

If you really want to get the flavor of what has and does transpire on this topic my suggestion is to spend some time going back to, or near, the beginning of this enitre thread.

You will be amused and educated by what is discussed and in turn grasp the sb numbers and much, much more.

This is truly once of the best reads on all of the usasg site. And that is saying something.

Absolutely a great group of contributors here who are no doubt having the whopping times of their quite expansives lives. (Most / all in their 50's and 60's and been around the block a few times; moi included, and getting some very young pu$$why on a regular basis).

Varoom