"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[BigTigger]

I'm not quite sure where my number is, but it's definitely up there, probably somewhere between those two numbers. But Hernando's Philosophy is dead on."you got to get dem papers". Don't BS with those.

So far so good

Safe sex practices used unless a long term relationship with neg paper.

[Hernando]

So far so good

Safe sex practices used unless a long term relationship with neg paper.

[Literal2]

Both!

I am currently monogamous with my SB who is eating up all my $ and keeping me busy with fabulous sex. She is available when I want her to be and is not clingy.

Until I found her I couldn't get enough and at one point had 4 SBs working with 4 escorts rotating into the time slots as they came up. Keep in mind the escorts are not local so toured in and out of town, and none of the SBs were reliable for a consistent thing-and none were good enough to me to inspire me to be true to her.

I would guess that over the past three years I saw 200 different women-not bragging, just being honest. Most of them were escorts.

What I like is what I have right now

Well that's way more girls than I've fucked in my whole life. I think I'm over 80 girls lifetime now but I know there are several high volume fucking machines like you out there. Congratulations, it is impressive.

I want to ask a question about STD. How do you protect yourself when you are doing such high volume? Have you ever caught something? Do you get tested? Do you always use a condom, or not?

[Seanrinva]

... she'd cuddle up and whisper,"How can I please you? Tell me what to do.".

Could be that she's very submissive, but hasn't explored power exchange.

This thread has been great to read. Thank you all for your posts. Looking forward to the continued education.

[Literal2]

My project to get Ms Wham Bam to bring along a friend so I can fuck both of them while they are fucking each other is going nowhere. The friend is unavailable, she says. However, she says she personally does want some more fucking. More sugar is probably what she wants. I think I'll just tell her I'm busy.

I had a long wonderful session with sb18 a few days ago. Intercourse and oral in nearly every possible position. She loves to have her mouth and pussy stuffed at the same time and she's flexible enough to accomplish that from almost any angle. We went on for hours. When there was a break in the action, she'd cuddle up and whisper,"How can I please you? Tell me what to do." I find it hard to believe that this pretty young woman can be so romantic and sexy with an old man, but she is. She told me she was a virgin until college and then lost her long term BF a while ago, so I think I'm benefiting from some kind of rebound. I feel fortunate. Luckily, the age gap is so great I can't really feel any kind of emotional attachment to her.

[Literal2]

Re discussing sugar, I almost never do it in advance. I just put it in her purse or hand it to her afterwards. I don't go to the lengths Golf does but I can see why his way works and I can't see anything wrong with it. I don't think most of the girls I've been with are so shy about sugar after the fact as they are before.

Re fucking more than one, I find I get the hots for one girl and keep going back to her but I like keeping several more on the shelf in case my fave is unavailable. When I started, I thought I wanted to make the rounds all the time, but I find I don't.

Just my experience. Others may differ.

[Hernando]

Both!

I am currently monogamous with my SB who is eating up all my $ and keeping me busy with fabulous sex. She is available when I want her to be and is not clingy.

Until I found her I couldn't get enough and at one point had 4 SBs working with 4 escorts rotating into the time slots as they came up. Keep in mind the escorts are not local so toured in and out of town, and none of the SBs were reliable for a consistent thing-and none were good enough to me to inspire me to be true to her.

I would guess that over the past three years I saw 200 different women-not bragging, just being honest. Most of them were escorts.

What I like is what I have right now

[Magic Rat]

I know some of you seasoned professionals can handle several SBs at the same time with no problem.

This is just a question for the board. Do you stick with 1 or 2 SBs or do you try to find new ones on a regular basis? For me, presently I have 2 that I see and haven't seen another besides these 2 favorites in several months. I am rethinking this some as one seems to be out of touch. Options are always good I suppose so long as they all don't need sugar at the same time.

Anyways, what's your preference gents. A steady SB or fucking as many as you can as often as you (and your $$) can?

[Hernando]

Thanks to all of you experienced guys for your advice.

Perhaps I will rethink my approach to discussing.or not discussing.sugar.

Nando 3's in many cases do not have any knowledge of the escort world unless educated by prior Daddies. (the Inexperienced Sportster.not the serial version) If you are lucky enough to get a SB virgin and you are her first experience, her knowlege of payment standards will be based on what you give her. If it is enough to impress her, then she might not keep shopping and you set the standard, therefore I suggest not going over the top. For me.every new lay is amazing, so I am tempted to overpay, but then you are stuck with that price going forward.

A case in point. A 22 yr old SB I scored was young, nubile, and a pretty good lay.not great, but trainable. I did not discuss the $ before and she never asked. She did return for round two so she must have been happy. But I then decided to make her an offer for a regular monthly arrangement which was 1/2 the one pop rate but an ongoing guarantee. Keep in mind this girl was an N1.desperately poor.and blew me off in spite of a regular income and some serious non sex tipping and gifting. This is a classic case of thinking paycheck to paycheck and lacking the ability to plan. Her only choice to make more will be escorting of the BP variety because she does not have what it takes to be a SB or higher level escort.

Another case. I was negotiating with a N3.of the experienced ilk.possibly a N2 (escort).which she started by the way, and when I threw out a number she countered with the going escort rate in the community. So it's good to know where they are coming from. She would never be happy unless she was getting $$$/pop.

The bottom line is.if you are generous at or above the level of the upper tier escort rate.then you will have no problem with repeat business. I like the reference made above about GPS (Golden Pussy Syndrome) We all create our own monsters and GPS is one of them.

[Magic Rat]

Golfcart,

I'm not sure how your post could be considered controversial. I pretty much agree with about all you say regarding the sugar and how to give it.

I have never been the one to bring it up first, and most of the sbs don't either. I have had a couple that did bring it up in advance and I readily agreed with the amounts for each of them. One was about par I would say and the other was high but not out of the ballpark. Seeing as how I unexpectedly spent the night with her the first date, her fare actually ended up to be quite reasonable. We didn't always do an overnighter, but if not, the minimum was 3-4 hours so I think we were both satisfied with the entire arrangement.

I too try to be discreet in the passing of the sugar, either slipping it into her purse or her back jeans pocket. I've only had a complaint from one sb regarding the amount so it doesn't seem to be as big a deal as we guys might think it is. I don't always give the same amount, but I do have a standard amount depending on the time, looks, attitude, and services provided. I'm currently seeing two different sbs and the issue of $ never comes up. We meet, talk about what's happened since last meeting, have some fun and at the end I slip the sugar into the purse. As Golf says, no envelope either as they may misconstrue the meaning there.

It seems the important point to remember here is to keep our big mouths shut regarding the pay for play issue and we'll have a much better time. To the outside world I'm sure the feeling is that we're hiring a prostitute, but to the sbs I can assure you they don't look at it that way at all. I've had a few vehemently assert that they are NOT a hooker, and I certainly wouldn't argue against that. In their minds it's a totally different situation and, to be honest, I feel much different about seeing a sb than seeing a pro.

Saying all that, in the end it's opinion and what we feel comfortable with. Other, wiser members of this board have had tremendous success handling things differently and you can't argue with their success. Personally, I try to keep it low key and if it blows up, it blows up. So far that has worked for me though.

[Varoom]

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Only once have I experienced an issue with the gift. I was generous with a particular girl, generous meaning I gave her prevailing escort rates at the upper end (which she could command if she were in that market) (I figured she would know). Everything happened per usual and happened twice. She was very good, very accommodating and very hot. When arranging our third visit she surprised me by wanting to bargain up and had a much higher number in mind. The second surprise, she had driven to me the two times previous (the drive was 90 minutes one way which I acknowledge was material) and now she wanted me to drive to her. She wasn't talking about alternating the drive; she was talking about a permanent arrangement of me driving to her.

I took what I was hearing as sourced to the nature of her employment (she was a realtor; any offense taken by a realtor reading this, I'm sorry, but you do push on a string) and also by an affliction I did not know she had (the golden pussy syndrome). That syndrome always generates a deal breaker eventually so that was the end of that. While I have said we can't push on a string, the women can't either.

There is no future unless the parties accommodate each other naturally without working at it. Just my opinion.

Golf is a plenty enough smart guy, maybe one of the brightest on the usasg site. I have enjoyed his perspective on many a circumstance via his many posts.

As to the situation of your Realtor gal, who moved the goal line on you in the 3rd quarter. Ala more sugar and you now driving the 90 miles instead of her. People don't generally throw out ultimatums (aka throwing the ACE of Spades) unless the results of such have little consequences to them. Either she didn't care if you followed thru on the new rules or maybe preferred that you didn't, but either way this may have been her way of breaking off the deal or letting you down slowly. Folks often feel better by offering an unrealistic or unreasonable alternative, rather than just stating their mind; e. G."I don't want to continue the gig". This way when you reneg on her offer, she didn't end things, you did; (in her mind) and that is what counted to her. Afterall, none of these gigs are meant to be forever. Some just last longer than others, but they all, with rare exception. Come to an end sometime.

As to this thread in general. It has certainly been one of the best reads of the entire site. I haven't beeen pursuing much in the way of new SB's, so have had nothing to contribute, but definitely enjoy the experiences of many here and the new contributors have further enhanced the lively discussions.

[Golfcart]

When a SB is ready to go to the FC I will ask her tactfully what she expects from our time together (edit delete).

I'm sure Hernando handles the gift tactfully and it works for him. I handle it differently due to some strongly held views.

Women are good at expressing their feelings but not very good at making a decision when put on the spot. Just my view but I never ask a woman any question where the answer could make the situation more difficult for either of us. An example of what not to ask is the gift a SB is expecting. Without any experience on the subject (because I don't ask and I don't tell) I see little chance of an upside to discussing the gift in advance. I see risk the discussion will doom the relationship sooner or later no matter whether her answer is low, medium or high.

First, we have no way of knowing where she really is in her process of "coming out" as a SB. All we know is what she wants us to think. A question about her gift forces her to price herself to our face. That could kill the deal right there. She's traveled the thinking about it step and the accepting the idea step to some extent, all big steps, but each hypothetical steps only and in her head only. Now she is talking to us and this may be her first step actually talking the walk (I didn't say walking the walk) and here we are asking her to price herself. I call that being on the spot. Of course we won't present it that way but she will hear it that way and that's the problem. There's even this problem with a bona fide internet escort. They resent our attempt to put a price tag on them even though their websites do exactly that in most cases. This brings me to the obvious point that what people say about themselves is not fair game for us to say to them about themselves.

We need to make the SB's transition from talking the walk to walking the walk as easy for her to take on her own as we can or she'll walk the walk with some other guy. We can't let her "feel" she is being cornered by our questions. The risk is she will feel cornered no matter how we handle it; no matter how successfully (or luckily) we have handled it in the past. We must let her control her own pace in her own time and that means the pace of everything. We cannot push on a string over this or over anything.

Second, the question risks she may open with a number knocked out of the ballpark and that puts us at stalemate with no upside for having taken that risk. Questions should bring solutions not create problems or risk problems. This is not the way to negotiate.

Even if her number is in the outfield only our question brought us a number we're not happy with, and now we must treat each other like two used car dealers. I doubt any hot bedroom activity will flow from any of that. This is not the way to negotiate.

Suppose she opens with an infield fly. That's not any better for us. She'll figure out before long how she didn't know, how we knew better and took advantage of her, and we really did. Of course this will happen with a prize piece and we won't be able to save it because we did take unfair advantage, and what trust we had we lost. We get what we deserve. So much for our negotiating style. Again, just my opinion.

Maybe I'm not on the same page goal-wise with many here. If the idea is to have a series of one-shots and move on, well, okay. Talk money if it works.

Back to the programming for guys who want her around for a while until we decide to move on. Our negotiating style should be to not negotiate. Use fait accompli instead, and be fair and reasonable about it. Be someone she can count on who will not let her down. We become important that way.

I strongly think no discussion of her gift should be had ever, and in my experience I have never raised it and never had the woman raise it either. If I found one who did I would conclude she is a real pro, a pro in her own mind or at a minimum she has some real serious bills that must be paid by yesterday which means she is in a real corner, which is all the more reason to not take advantage of her situation. If she is that ready take her behind closed doors on the spot and pay her what she can really command. For that woman we know better what she is worth than she does. Tell her by showing her.

I've never failed to close a deal once we've talked on the phone, and not once has the gift ever come up. Everything is arranged and happens like an ordinary date in the ordinary world. This is part of not pushing on a string.

I’ve read about guys telling the girl what they were going to do with her in bed, her toes curling, and this and that, maybe that works, maybe I need some pointers.

The gift is handled when we are leaving each other. I use folded bills bound by a rubber band in my palm (she might be aware of the role occupied by the envelope, i.e., don't use an envelope) which I put in her purse palm down so she doesn't see a thing other than the top of my hand sliding in and out. She knows what is going on so there is no need for me to say a word. We all know what we say to a woman will get us into more trouble than most anything we do. This time is especially the time to not say a word. I deposit the gift when we are departing and I use a door opening or closing as the moment I've found that works the best. To make a reference to the gift at the time it is given, well, we might as well call her a name. She may even make reference to it herself but that doesn’t change that we should keep our mouth shut. We can always say things we don’t want others to say to us.

Only once have I experienced an issue with the gift. I was generous with a particular girl, generous meaning I gave her prevailing escort rates at the upper end (which she could command if she were in that market) (I figured she would know). Everything happened per usual and happened twice. She was very good, very accommodating and very hot. When arranging our third visit she surprised me by wanting to bargain up and had a much higher number in mind. The second surprise, she had driven to me the two times previous (the drive was 90 minutes one way which I acknowledge was material) and now she wanted me to drive to her. She wasn't talking about alternating the drive; she was talking about a permanent arrangement of me driving to her.

I took what I was hearing as sourced to the nature of her employment (she was a realtor; any offense taken by a realtor reading this, I'm sorry, but you do push on a string) and also by an affliction I did not know she had (the golden pussy syndrome). That syndrome always generates a deal breaker eventually so that was the end of that. While I have said we can't push on a string, the women can't either.

There is no future unless the parties accommodate each other naturally without working at it. Just my opinion.

[Literal2]

When a SB is ready to go to the FC I will ask her tactfully what she expects from our time together besides a good time and multiple orgasms. The answer also tells me a lot about the type of girl I am dealing with. I usually get a little giggle and find that the responses fall into one of five categories:

You are an amazing analyst Nando as well as a prolific multifucker.

Personally, I don't ask them anything other than,"Does this feel good?" and "Am I hurting you?" and "Is it ok if I cum in your mouth?" (when appropriate).

Maybe I'm in a rut. My project is floundering around, Ms Wham Bam hasn't even responded to my "Can I fuck you and your girlfriend together?" question. I'm scheduled to see sb 18 tomorrow, my sweet little college student, but unless I fuck her in the closet or upside down there won't be anything new. One of the sbs from about a month ago is emailing me every day about how she can't wait to get together. She is * ahhh * not so smart and a little bit fat in the belly but very loose, slippery, aroused and female in all her body parts when we are together.

Maybe I should pursue another 5 sbs on the website just to fuck a new girl. I figure its one in five now, It was 1 in 20 when I started.

[Literal2]

This is such a valuable thread that it is a shame it is buried in the Richmond forum (no offense to the Virginia posters). I wonder if Jackson would consider making it a national forum.

Thanks Questor. I'm sure this is a compliment and lord knows, I'm grateful to Jackson for setting all this up.

However, with respect, your post is kind of a distraction.

We sb mongers are in the middle of talking about suckin' on sweet sugarbabe pussies, which size sugarbabe tits are the best, should you fuck sugarbabe pregos, how to get amateur sugarbabes into the fucking chamber, what the average cost of spreading sugarbabe pussy for penetration is compared to a pro, are sugarbabes good referrals, how may times can you pop in a sugarbabe and in which body opening, and other important topics.

We have an A to Z on how to find and fuck sugarbabes. We have a 1 to 10 or whatever it is on how to fuck married women and others looking for affairs.

Nobody is really focusing on which usasg thread we belong to. Or in. Whatever.

Hopefully we can get back to the main discussion topic, fucking sugarbabes, pretty quick.

[KC Questor]

This is such a valuable thread that it is a shame it is buried in the Richmond forum (no offense to the Virginia posters). I wonder if Jackson would consider making it a national forum.