Massage Parlor Reports

**Bunker Buster** · 05-30-11 20:50

Originally Posted by Hofi35 [View Original Post]

Yes its discussion forum and I know all suspects of this hobby should be discussed here. But why every time we get into talk about tipping it becomes pages long? And its always about the same old, same old. We all know the guidelines, what to tip for what type of service, if some decides to tip more, or less, it's their thing. The rest of us do not have to agree, but pages and pages of talk will not change anything. And since we are in this, I don't mind to tip more than standard, it just depends on situation I'm in. And, since its discussion forum, no one should tell me that I cannot express my opinion here. We all should just have fun.

Telling people to shut up is indeed expressing an opinion, but it's a wet blanket onto the valid discussions of other contributing participants in an open forum.

I appreciate your reviews and contributions, and your insight into the hobby, but I think you're letting your dislike of the topic of tipping become an I'dée fixe.

Considering that the amount of tip expected for service changes over time, and that cost is one of the big 3 factors in the hobby (with service and safety probably the other two) , telling people not to talk about tipping, ie, how much service costs, is like telling them to stop talking about how they define GFE.

You might as well go into a stock-trading forum and tell people to shut up already about fees and commissions. Do the E-Trade baby commercials bother you too?

Once upon a time, I could go to an AMP in DC, pay the house 60, and for a 100 tip, get everything I was thinking about. Now I find that the same amounts are being paid for a Nova standard. I learned this by reading it here, to my surprise and dismay.

I find the discussions on tipping helpful to gauge the market over time, and also to try to dissuade newbies from overtipping and both wasting their money and driving up costs and expectations.

There are plenty of topics and discussions on the various boards that don't interest me, but I accept having to scroll past them as the cost of participating in an open forum.

We know you don't care for tip (I. E,"cost") discussions, so just skip past them, read the reviews you like, and as an established senior, feel free to PM me or anyone else for more details on things that interest you.

**Criim44** · 05-30-11 18:17

Seen a few posts on BP about a new place near the country club, this place is right around the corner from me. Was wondering if anyone had been since I'm still new to the AMP world. Visited one in landmark a few months ago and all my other experience has been with independents so I'm skeptical of most places and not sure what all I should look out for.

**Sleazebum** · 05-30-11 16:43

Just returned from a visit with Yung at Papaya. She is fresh in from NYC and did the job well for NoVA fare.

$80 for the hour plus $40 for the tip.

JJ

**A Thermopyle** · 05-30-11 03:06

So this report is 2 weeks late but given I just had a relevant comparative experience in NYC, perhaps the delay is fortuitous.

Anyway, went to the TCCC for the first time on 5/14. Why to people only talk about the FCCC? Do they just conflates all the different condos? I actually had no idea ahead of time the number I had would lead me to Tyson's, but it turns out that is a convenient place for me. So, I like this whole condo thing. I never really cared that much for TS (but was surprised Wendy did not offer me standing shower. Maybe because it was raining in a Biblical fashion outside). What I really like is the no-haggle all inclusive $.6 pricing. That is an especially useful thing in NOVA.

About Wendy: massage was so-so and other stuff unenthusiastic. Pretty nice looking, but well into her 30s or beyond. No DATY allowed (though she said that was specifically a condition of this particular visit). She was nice and tight were it counted. She had me out of there in about 30 minutes flat, which is probably the most rushed hour session I've ever had. Wouldn't have minded if service was better though, as I'm not going there to kill time.

Now the comparo: just finished a session with Chanel at Luxy Asian Girls in NYC. This place is actual an Apartment AMP (ie multiple girls and the MMS in an undisclosed location). Unlike the Condos here, these things advertise just like normal AMPs, but just phone number. 2 call system to get address. The bigger difference is that they keep a fairly stable stable of girls and actually list them with real pictures (photoshopped to hell of course) on their website. The advantage of this is you can actually check for reviews of the girls on another site and such and they often have them. Still no haggle pricing, but it is $$ instead of $.6. Anyway, the point of all this is that Chanel was worth the extra 40 bucks over Wendy, but that should not be a surprise as she has multiple good reviews. She wasn't better looking (to my taste at least) , but her massage and others were multiple levels beyond Wendy's and the session lasted a full hour.

**Hofi35** · 05-29-11 23:39

Almost forgot to report. Visited FCCC three times in past two weeks. Great services provided by girl with ink on her stomach. Flat fee is another thing I like about this place. No upsell. You all know what to do if you want details.

**Hofi35** · 05-29-11 23:26

Yes its discussion forum and I know all suspects of this hobby should be discussed here. But why every time we get into talk about tipping it becomes pages long? And its always about the same old, same old. We all know the guidelines, what to tip for what type of service, if some decides to tip more, or less, it's their thing. The rest of us do not have to agree, but pages and pages of talk will not change anything. And since we are in this, I don't mind to tip more than standard, it just depends on situation I'm in. And, since its discussion forum, no one should tell me that I cannot express my opinion here. We all should just have fun.

**Serpico99** · 05-29-11 20:04

Originally Posted by BlkPrinceVa [View Original Post]

Based on the responses to our respective posts: 1) I should have tipped something, even if it was small. I agree and will do so in the future; and 2) Hobbiest like you are driving the cost up by paying way too much for minimal service. It's interesting you never answered my original question so I'll assume that you paid the house 80 and tipped 80 for a total of 160 for standard service. If this is what it takes to pursue this hobby in NoVa, I'll be retiring soon.

Question for the forum: Are we all in agreement that the HJ / HE is an extra service? Isn't this the minimum that we pursue this hobby for? If not, we're saying that we're paying 80 for a massage and maybe a table shower? Is that the general consensus?

I guess you will be retiring soon. It's interesting that I clearly stated my tip breakdown in my post and if anyone was a senior with established bona fides, they could PM me for more info. Happy mongering.

**Sleazebum** · 05-29-11 17:12

Every conversation about tipping turns into a pissing contest and no real info manages to slip through. For any / all valid advice on tipping please do a search on the subject and you will see all you need.

Now. Back on main point. What is open nowadays in DC?

JJ.

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster [View Original Post]

People want to talk about tips because they're a relevant part of the hobby. If you don't like some of the topics, you can skip over them, but no one needs to be telling people what to stop talking about on a discussion forum.

Regards

**Fatpig** · 05-29-11 09:44

Originally Posted by Hofi35 [View Original Post]

All girls are in this for tips. They may get 10-30 from house money, depends on verbal contract with MMS, licence or not, local or not, tips are the only income. Once again, if girl ask up front, all you have to say is "it depends on service". I think it actually turns things into much better experience. How much for HJ or BJ is up to the person, situation, girls level of looks and service. STOP TALKING ABOUT TIP. EACH OF YOU TIP HOW MUCH YOU FEEL IS PROPER. It is boring.

Yes they do work for tips. Some just suck at it while others do like what they do.

Personally it ruins the hour for me. When you give an ok. To shitty massage for 10 minutes then ask for flip and price points. Fuck that. Then complain when I don't want extras just 1 hour of massage. MMS could care less if you leave tip or not. She got her money up front. Anyway.

Reviews. Lots of movement of these ladies from place to place recently. My go to places G&G and Herndon have turned to shitz. I need a new place to hit up. PM me.

**Bunker Buster** · 05-29-11 00:49

Originally Posted by Hofi35 [View Original Post]

All girls are in this for tips. They may get 10-30 from house money, depends on verbal contract with MMS, licence or not, local or not, tips are the only income. Once again, if girl ask up front, all you have to say is "it depends on service". I think it actually turns things into much better experience. How much for HJ or BJ is up to the person, situation, girls level of looks and service. STOP TALKING ABOUT TIP. EACH OF YOU TIP HOW MUCH YOU FEEL IS PROPER. It is boring.

People want to talk about tips because they're a relevant part of the hobby. If you don't like some of the topics, you can skip over them, but no one needs to be telling people what to stop talking about on a discussion forum.

Regards

**Hofi35** · 05-29-11 00:07

All girls are in this for tips. They may get 10-30 from house money, depends on verbal contract with MMS, licence or not, local or not, tips are the only income. Once again, if girl ask up front, all you have to say is "it depends on service". I think it actually turns things into much better experience. How much for HJ or BJ is up to the person, situation, girls level of looks and service. STOP TALKING ABOUT TIP. EACH OF YOU TIP HOW MUCH YOU FEEL IS PROPER. It is boring.

**BlkPrinceVa** · 05-28-11 16:10

Originally Posted by Serpico99 [View Original Post]

Unfortunately, it's mongers like you who contribute to the piss poor attitude that these girls are giving out these days and other mongers have to put up with. So no TS and a good massage and you got an extra service but you did not tip? Yeah, no wonder why you think I paid too much LMAO. Get a clue.

Based on the responses to our respective posts: 1) I should have tipped something, even if it was small. I agree and will do so in the future; and 2) Hobbiest like you are driving the cost up by paying way too much for minimal service. It's interesting you never answered my original question so I'll assume that you paid the house 80 and tipped 80 for a total of 160 for standard service. If this is what it takes to pursue this hobby in NoVa, I'll be retiring soon.

Question for the forum: Are we all in agreement that the HJ / HE is an extra service? Isn't this the minimum that we pursue this hobby for? If not, we're saying that we're paying 80 for a massage and maybe a table shower? Is that the general consensus?

**Tapas** · 05-28-11 14:30

[QUOTE=Bostonpeter; 1202377]

Originally Posted by Pcpc1688 [View Original Post]

Only girls that get a cut of the house pay in NOVA are girls that have a legitimate massage license. And that is still around $20 that is negotiated with the MMS. These tend to be ladies on the older side that have lived in this area for awhile. NOVA requires a separate licence in addition to the national license that requires local residency and registration with the county. Younger girls that tend to come in from NY usually don't get a cut of the house money, but it depends on AMP and how bad they need staff.

I've dated a few, and you can PM me on this, but I'll tell you in general, most girls require tips if they are to make money working in this area. The MMS only care about themselves. They negotiate the best possible deal to maximize their own income.

Personally I've gotten a little burnt out of AMPs, a string of really bad service recently, and other places to spend my money. Every girl pretty much asks for the tip upfront these days and all the prettier girls have left for greener pastures. Its becoming exhausting.

Indies are a nice change of pace from the AMPs. Where the therapist actually cares beyond the hour of service as they want return business.

Obviously your mileage still varies and some indi-therapists still upsell, but my experiences are better in indi-land. The AMPs can take a hike with this exhausting upsell approach. There are other options.

**Bostonpeter** · 05-27-11 17:33

[QUOTE=Pcpc1688; 1202107]

Originally Posted by Xooom [View Original Post]

FYI,

Out of the $80 house money, the therapist in question recd about $24. 00 of it. Don't think for a second that all of it goes to the house. Anyway, therapy in NOVA is higher than the US average by at least 20 bananas per visit.

Goes to show that living by the giver of all money has its downside as well. As far tipping goes, its a on the person himself if he wants too or not. In BlkPrinces case, IMHO he did what he needed to do. I certainly have had bad experiences in an AMP where I left $10. 00 as a tip for no service but to each his own. Some guys here nay think that they need to leave $80-$100 as a tip for a HJ but I feel otherwise.

PC out

Only girls that get a cut of the house pay in NOVA are girls that have a legitimate massage license. And that is still around $20 that is negotiated with the MMS. These tend to be ladies on the older side that have lived in this area for awhile. NOVA requires a separate licence in addition to the national license that requires local residency and registration with the county. Younger girls that tend to come in from NY usually don't get a cut of the house money, but it depends on AMP and how bad they need staff.

I've dated a few, and you can PM me on this, but I'll tell you in general, most girls require tips if they are to make money working in this area. The MMS only care about themselves. They negotiate the best possible deal to maximize their own income.

Personally I've gotten a little burnt out of AMPs, a string of really bad service recently, and other places to spend my money. Every girl pretty much asks for the tip upfront these days and all the prettier girls have left for greener pastures. Its becoming exhausting.

**Bunker Buster** · 05-27-11 16:59

[QUOTE=Pcpc1688; 1202107]

Originally Posted by Xooom [View Original Post]

FYI,

Out of the $80 house money, the therapist in question recd about $24. 00 of it. Don't think for a second that all of it goes to the house. Anyway, therapy in NOVA is higher than the US average by at least 20 bananas per visit.

Goes to show that living by the giver of all money has its downside as well. As far tipping goes, its a on the person himself if he wants too or not. In BlkPrinces case, IMHO he did what he needed to do. I certainly have had bad experiences in an AMP where I left $10. 00 as a tip for no service but to each his own. Some guys here nay think that they need to leave $80-$100 as a tip for a HJ but I feel otherwise.

PC out

The fact that BlkPrince didn't encounter sheer anger proves that the therapist is getting paid something by the house, and if these places weren't paying the therapists at all, the owners would find themselves with serious legal trouble.

Leaving 80-100 for HJ from a middle-aged spa lady makes no sense, and drives up expectations. The market rate for therapeutic massage at a spa is around 60-80 / hour. There are quite a few younger ladies who do FBSM that includes a quality therapeutic massage and a topless / nude sensual component, which is quite interactive and doesn't require haggling or breathing kimchee, in the 120 range.

This means that the charge for HJ and roaming with a younger masseuse is 40-60 of the total fee. There are some girls who charge 160-180 / hour for FBSM, but these are the top of the field: young, tight-body hotties.

Assuming therapists see just 4 customers a day, if you give an 80 tip, you believe her job is worth 120, 000 / year.

At the end of the day, if someone wants to throw an extra 40-60 of his hard-earned money out unnecessarily, it's his money, but why not try tipping 60 instead of 100, and see if you notice the slightest loss in quality of service, then bank the savings for future ventures?

BlkPrinceVa: You should leave a tip for anything beyond a therapeutic massage. It doesn't have to be the crazy money some people are throwing, even if it's 10-20, just as a sign of appreciation and encouragement, but if you're stiffing them with nothing, it makes them more mercenary and less trusting with the rest of us.