Well well well guess who I found? Nicole from the old Lotus
While you guys are busy arguing about where OS went and why, I found an ol favorite of mine. Nicole from the old Lotus (god do I really miss Dava and her place) is at Winter Park Massage at 415 South Orlando Ave. Her new name is Patricia and she is there afternoons (she is still working her full time job at the phone co) And like always she is VERY accomadating. For those of you who knew her there she is still giving the same great massage. For those who don't know her yet give her a try. She still has that very sexy trim body of hers and the extra soft add on pillows are still very avaliable. She says she's had them for a long time and they are still very soft! Treat her right and she will take care of you! Massage is great and I will be back. Oh and by the way this place is open 7 days a week for those of us looking for a place on Sundays.
They are very familiar with how to operate. The door is not open to just anyone. If you are not a regular, do not even try pushing too far. Very smart op and familiar with human analysis. The visit is on a timer and you can hear the clock when time is up. However, the more frequent you go the better opportunities are presented.
Definitely worth a repeat. Some of the girls are 10+ and the scale keeps going up!
I have. IMHO they have improved. The upsell isn't so prevalent. Massage still just an excuse for a massage, but the girls (or at least many of them) are pretty darn hot, young and eager to please. This is just the way I like them. Not afraid to show a little flesh and more than a memorable shake to finish off the festivities. I worry that they are too high profile though, which keeps me away most of the time. I'm looking for one of the MT ladies out there that flies under the radar.
Aight! Can we move on. It has been almost a week now. This site is called USA "Sex" Guide. This board is used for updates and to keep us informed much on what is worth the dinero or not. Be safe and enjoy. LOL.
I would propose that the simpler theory is that OS was targeted for way they operatated. Suggestive advertising, suggesstive signage, and therapist that that great you in super short dressess wearing no panties. I think that might get some attention.
You also have failed to address why other places that have been reviewed here continue to operate.
Does LEO get information off this board? Absolutely. Does that mean they choose which places to raid based on this board. Absolutely not. I believe some of you guys attribute more influence to this board than it really haves. Information on the hot places was spread long before there was an internet.
And on the spread of information, the coded language used here is really pretty pointless. Whether you say 'I dreamed she took me on a tour of the Greek islands' or 'I fucked her up the ass' you have given them same information. If 50 guys had posted 'You guys have to go to OS, they take care of you really well' would anything have been different?
Some guys want to give a blow by blow account of what happened. Some just want 'left happy, would repeat. ' Is one style over the top and the other to vague. Probably. Is there a happy medium somewhere in between? Probably. Will we all agree on where that optimum place is? Probably not.
I would propose that the simpler theory is that OS was targeted for way they operatated. Suggestive advertising, suggesstive signage, and therapist that that great you in super short dressess wearing no panties. I think that might get some attention.
You also have failed to address why other places that have been reviewed here continue to operate.
Does LEO get information off this board? Absolutely. Does that mean they choose which places to raid based on this board. Absolutely not. I believe some of you guys attribute more influence to this board than it really haves. Information on the hot places was spread long before there was an internet.
And on the spread of information, the coded language used here is really pretty pointless. Whether you say 'I dreamed she took me on a tour of the Greek islands' or 'I fucked her up the ass' you have given them same information. If 50 guys had posted 'You guys have to go to OS, they take care of you really well' would anything have been different?
Some guys want to give a blow by blow account of what happened. Some just want 'left happy, would repeat. ' Is one style over the top and the other to vague. Probably. Is there a happy medium somewhere in between? Probably. Will we all agree on where that optimum place is? Probably not.
Some seem to seek extensive data, I stand back and look at the results, as in "Occams Razor" where Occam postulates that the simplest answer is the correct one.
"Scientists must use the simplest means of arriving at their results and exclude
Everything not perceived by the senses."
"When you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better."
So when you have a message board that spews lots of data, LE now has a source of information, there is no other common source of this data, as this information is not commonly spoken of in polite company. LE knows that MP prostitution is difficult to prove but that improper or no license or Fire inspection or Health Dept. Inspection violations are sufficient to solve the problem, even if it is temporary. Since LE has read this " Anecdotal" information repeatedly, Occam says that only an idiot would go to extremes (a big investigation) to achieve the goal of closing the den of inequity when the straight line will achieve the goal. (Simplest answer).
Anyone who looks for complicated answers to simple problems is simply making their thought process more difficult and is in denial of reality. LE operates on a rather simple hypothesis. If it quacks like a duck it is a duck, it might be Gilbert Godfried but if they screw up and their wrong nothing happens to them at all-so why not! Bliss is a good example. Raid+Arrest=Prosecutor has no valid evidence and files no charges (This is called a no information) and the people arrested simply walk out of court, LE has no downside they pat themselves on the back and go back to work, if they had a downside they would not be so quick to pull the trigger with no substantive evidence.
The doubter (SJ) says "OS STUCK OUT" "They operated in a way that drew attention to themselves and paid the price." Did they advertise FS-NO. So I ask again where did LE get their info, AND HOW DID THEY CALL ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES, I'm QUITE CERTAIN I NEVER WOULD HAVE HEARD OF THEM WERE IT NOT FOR THIS BOARD.
Bottom line is they read this everyday and if they can shoot fish in a barrel, they will E. O. S-VS
Some seem to seek extensive data, I stand back and look at the results, as in "Occams Razor" where Occam postulates that the simplest answer is the correct one.
"Scientists must use the simplest means of arriving at their results and exclude
Everything not perceived by the senses."
"When you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better."
So when you have a message board that spews lots of data, LE now has a source of information, there is no other common source of this data, as this information is not commonly spoken of in polite company. LE knows that MP prostitution is difficult to prove but that improper or no license or Fire inspection or Health Dept. Inspection violations are sufficient to solve the problem, even if it is temporary. Since LE has read this " Anecdotal" information repeatedly, Occam says that only an idiot would go to extremes (a big investigation) to achieve the goal of closing the den of inequity when the straight line will achieve the goal. (Simplest answer).
Anyone who looks for complicated answers to simple problems is simply making their thought process more difficult and is in denial of reality. LE operates on a rather simple hypothesis. If it quacks like a duck it is a duck, it might be Gilbert Godfried but if they screw up and their wrong nothing happens to them at all-so why not! Bliss is a good example. Raid+Arrest=Prosecutor has no valid evidence and files no charges (This is called a no information) and the people arrested simply walk out of court, LE has no downside they pat themselves on the back and go back to work, if they had a downside they would not be so quick to pull the trigger with no substantive evidence.
The doubter(SJ) says "OS STUCK OUT" "They operated in a way that drew attention to themselves and paid the price." Did they advertise FS.--NO. So I ask again where did LE get their info, AND HOW DID THEY CALL ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES, I'M QUITE CERTAIN I NEVER WOULD HAVE HEARD OF THEM WERE IT NOT FOR THIS BOARD.
Bottom line is they read this everyday and if they can shoot fish in a barrel, they will E. O. S-VS
Overboard your comments are well written and inspiration for further thought. I must admit I had never considered the aspect of the effect on the girls / AMPs which may be a reason in itself to revise posting habits.
That being said we will have to agree to disagree LEO elements. In 30 years of business I learned not to trust anecdotes but to put my faith in Dr. Demming and the data. That has served me well in professional life and I try to apply that to all aspects of my life. I just don't see the data to say post on here initiate LEO action. As Lawdog (dude you really need to change that handle) pointed out there are counta examples. There are places where FS is available that have been reviewed on here and have operated for years withouut problems. There is a little snippet of eastern philosophy that is thrown into any movie witha scene in Asia,"The nail that sticks out gets hammered." OS stuck out. They operated in a way that drew attention to themselves and paid the price. I am quite certain their days would have been numbered even if there were no post about them on this forum. Let's not blame people here for a business that operated recklessly getting caught.
I have made it clear in previous posts that I've made some Asian friends over the years in my visits to the AMPs. There are others who post here that have done the same. My friends that I continue to stay in touch with are scattered around the county and still work as therapists with some now also shop owners. These friendships have provided some wonderful benefits of a personal nature but they have also provided a great deal of insight into the business.
We are absolutely a targeting mechanism. Cause and effect. Repeated posts generate specific behavior where the shop / therapist is targeted by two specific groups: 1) a surge of mongers who immediately expect the exact same level of service that was often provided to the poster based on a level of trust accumulated over multiple visits and 2) leo activity, that can take many forms, based on complaints from the general public who read about activity in their neighborhoods here (escorts don't advertise their 'come arrest me here' address so it's a different game – massage parlors do).
It doesn't take insider knowledge to see what happens next. Posting history on this thread spells it out repeatedly. Shop behavior after a lot of chatter here easily validates both of the above posting results as the girls will change their name, or refuse to tell it, to avoid the harassment. You will often also start to be asked if you talk on the computer. Anyone modestly active in the massage game has seen this activity occur many times either directly to ourselves or to others via reading their posts here (see the Ocean reports at the end) throughout the years. This isn't a new phenomenon and it is a behavioral progression that is repeated constantly. If you ask virtually any Asian at an AMP if they want you to talk about them on the computer the answer will be no. As money oriented as they are (and believe me they are incredibly money oriented) , the publicity isn't worth the negative ramifications to them.
I'm a huge advocate of the purpose of this board. It is stupid, however, when our reporting undermines the mission of the board and the readily available posting history on this very thread documents that it does with many examples far beyond Ocean if you bother to be a student of the hobby you are investing your hard-earned coin in. There must a balance between content and serving the need. Too many people report because their ego compels them to do so. Too many others do so without conscious thought as to the outcome of their words.
It is much more fun to report excessively and in detail. Over time it is much less rewarding because it drives good providers away. Many of the recent posts on this saga have been vain attempts to rationalize and justify past actions with the most guilty doing the most vigorous protesting. You aren't going to truly maximize your long term productivity in this game without occasionally engaging in a little honest self-reflection about your actions.
I have made it clear in previous posts that I've made some Asian friends over the years in my visits to the AMPs. There are others who post here that have done the same. My friends that I continue to stay in touch with are scattered around the county and still work as therapists with some now also shop owners. These friendships have provided some wonderful benefits of a personal nature but they have also provided a great deal of insight into the business.
We are absolutely a targeting mechanism. Cause and effect. Repeated posts generate specific behavior where the shop / therapist is targeted by two specific groups: 1) a surge of mongers who immediately expect the exact same level of service that was often provided to the poster based on a level of trust accumulated over multiple visits and 2) leo activity, that can take many forms, based on complaints from the general public who read about activity in their neighborhoods here (escorts don't advertise their 'come arrest me here' address so it's a different game – massage parlors do).
It doesn't take insider knowledge to see what happens next. Posting history on this thread spells it out repeatedly. Shop behavior after a lot of chatter here easily validates both of the above posting results as the girls will change their name, or refuse to tell it, to avoid the harassment. You will often also start to be asked if you talk on the computer. Anyone modestly active in the massage game has seen this activity occur many times either directly to ourselves or to others via reading their posts here (see the Ocean reports at the end) throughout the years. This isn't a new phenomenon and it is a behavioral progression that is repeated constantly. If you ask virtually any Asian at an AMP if they want you to talk about them on the computer the answer will be no. As money oriented as they are (and believe me they are incredibly money oriented) , the publicity isn't worth the negative ramifications to them.
I'm a huge advocate of the purpose of this board. It is stupid, however, when our reporting undermines the mission of the board and the readily available posting history on this very thread documents that it does with many examples far beyond Ocean if you bother to be a student of the hobby you are investing your hard-earned coin in. There must a balance between content and serving the need. Too many people report because their ego compels them to do so. Too many others do so without conscious thought as to the outcome of their words.
It is much more fun to report excessively and in detail. Over time it is much less rewarding because it drives good providers away. Many of the recent posts on this saga have been vain attempts to rationalize and justify past actions with the most guilty doing the most vigorous protesting. You aren't going to truly maximize your long term productivity in this game without occasionally engaging in a little honest self-reflection about your actions.
Has anyone checked out the downtown college girls recently? They seemed to have lowered the rates on a consistent basis, but who knows if they still upsell like crazy. The crappy part is the girls look pretty hot in the photos. Yeah some are for sure stolen, but the amateur looking ones are nice.
Oh well, just curious.
I have. IMHO they have improved. The upsell isn't so prevalent. Massage still just an excuse for a massage, but the girls (or at least many of them) are pretty darn hot, young and eager to please. This is just the way I like them. Not afraid to show a little flesh and more than a memorable shake to finish off the festivities. I worry that they are too high profile though, which keeps me away most of the time. I'm looking for one of the MT ladies out there that flies under the radar.
I have made it clear in previous posts that I've made some Asian friends over the years in my visits to the AMPs. There are others who post here that have done the same. My friends that I continue to stay in touch with are scattered around the county and still work as therapists with some now also shop owners. These friendships have provided some wonderful benefits of a personal nature but they have also provided a great deal of insight into the business.
We are absolutely a targeting mechanism. Cause and effect. Repeated posts generate specific behavior where the shop / therapist is targeted by two specific groups: 1) a surge of mongers who immediately expect the exact same level of service that was often provided to the poster based on a level of trust accumulated over multiple visits and 2) leo activity, that can take many forms, based on complaints from the general public who read about activity in their neighborhoods here (escorts don't advertise their 'come arrest me here' address so it's a different game – massage parlors do).
It doesn't take insider knowledge to see what happens next. Posting history on this thread spells it out repeatedly. Shop behavior after a lot of chatter here easily validates both of the above posting results as the girls will change their name, or refuse to tell it, to avoid the harassment. You will often also start to be asked if you talk on the computer. Anyone modestly active in the massage game has seen this activity occur many times either directly to ourselves or to others via reading their posts here (see the Ocean reports at the end) throughout the years. This isn't a new phenomenon and it is a behavioral progression that is repeated constantly. If you ask virtually any Asian at an AMP if they want you to talk about them on the computer the answer will be no. As money oriented as they are (and believe me they are incredibly money oriented) , the publicity isn't worth the negative ramifications to them.
I'm a huge advocate of the purpose of this board. It is stupid, however, when our reporting undermines the mission of the board and the readily available posting history on this very thread documents that it does with many examples far beyond Ocean if you bother to be a student of the hobby you are investing your hard-earned coin in. There must a balance between content and serving the need. Too many people report because their ego compels them to do so. Too many others do so without conscious thought as to the outcome of their words.
It is much more fun to report excessively and in detail. Over time it is much less rewarding because it drives good providers away. Many of the recent posts on this saga have been vain attempts to rationalize and justify past actions with the most guilty doing the most vigorous protesting. You aren't going to truly maximize your long term productivity in this game without occasionally engaging in a little honest self-reflection about your actions.
Happy and safe hunting to all.
Well written, reasonable tone, informative, not overly emotional or judgemental. And on top of it, probably pretty darn accurate. This is no place for you! .
I have made it clear in previous posts that I've made some Asian friends over the years in my visits to the AMPs. There are others who post here that have done the same. My friends that I continue to stay in touch with are scattered around the county and still work as therapists with some now also shop owners. These friendships have provided some wonderful benefits of a personal nature but they have also provided a great deal of insight into the business.
We are absolutely a targeting mechanism. Cause and effect. Repeated posts generate specific behavior where the shop / therapist is targeted by two specific groups: 1) a surge of mongers who immediately expect the exact same level of service that was often provided to the poster based on a level of trust accumulated over multiple visits and 2) leo activity, that can take many forms, based on complaints from the general public who read about activity in their neighborhoods here (escorts don't advertise their 'come arrest me here' address so it's a different game – massage parlors do).
It doesn't take insider knowledge to see what happens next. Posting history on this thread spells it out repeatedly. Shop behavior after a lot of chatter here easily validates both of the above posting results as the girls will change their name, or refuse to tell it, to avoid the harassment. You will often also start to be asked if you talk on the computer. Anyone modestly active in the massage game has seen this activity occur many times either directly to ourselves or to others via reading their posts here (see the Ocean reports at the end) throughout the years. This isn't a new phenomenon and it is a behavioral progression that is repeated constantly. If you ask virtually any Asian at an AMP if they want you to talk about them on the computer the answer will be no. As money oriented as they are (and believe me they are incredibly money oriented) , the publicity isn't worth the negative ramifications to them.
I'm a huge advocate of the purpose of this board. It is stupid, however, when our reporting undermines the mission of the board and the readily available posting history on this very thread documents that it does with many examples far beyond Ocean if you bother to be a student of the hobby you are investing your hard-earned coin in. There must a balance between content and serving the need. Too many people report because their ego compels them to do so. Too many others do so without conscious thought as to the outcome of their words.
It is much more fun to report excessively and in detail. Over time it is much less rewarding because it drives good providers away. Many of the recent posts on this saga have been vain attempts to rationalize and justify past actions with the most guilty doing the most vigorous protesting. You aren't going to truly maximize your long term productivity in this game without occasionally engaging in a little honest self-reflection about your actions.
I have made it clear in previous posts that I've made some Asian friends over the years in my visits to the AMPs. There are others who post here that have done the same. My friends that I continue to stay in touch with are scattered around the county and still work as therapists with some now also shop owners. These friendships have provided some wonderful benefits of a personal nature but they have also provided a great deal of insight into the business.
We are absolutely a targeting mechanism. Cause and effect. Repeated posts generate specific behavior where the shop / therapist is targeted by two specific groups: 1) a surge of mongers who immediately expect the exact same level of service that was often provided to the poster based on a level of trust accumulated over multiple visits and 2) leo activity, that can take many forms, based on complaints from the general public who read about activity in their neighborhoods here (escorts don't advertise their 'come arrest me here' address so it's a different game – massage parlors do).
It doesn't take insider knowledge to see what happens next. Posting history on this thread spells it out repeatedly. Shop behavior after a lot of chatter here easily validates both of the above posting results as the girls will change their name, or refuse to tell it, to avoid the harassment. You will often also start to be asked if you talk on the computer. Anyone modestly active in the massage game has seen this activity occur many times either directly to ourselves or to others via reading their posts here (see the Ocean reports at the end) throughout the years. This isn't a new phenomenon and it is a behavioral progression that is repeated constantly. If you ask virtually any Asian at an AMP if they want you to talk about them on the computer the answer will be no. As money oriented as they are (and believe me they are incredibly money oriented) , the publicity isn't worth the negative ramifications to them.
I'm a huge advocate of the purpose of this board. It is stupid, however, when our reporting undermines the mission of the board and the readily available posting history on this very thread documents that it does with many examples far beyond Ocean if you bother to be a student of the hobby you are investing your hard-earned coin in. There must a balance between content and serving the need. Too many people report because their ego compels them to do so. Too many others do so without conscious thought as to the outcome of their words.
It is much more fun to report excessively and in detail. Over time it is much less rewarding because it drives good providers away. Many of the recent posts on this saga have been vain attempts to rationalize and justify past actions with the most guilty doing the most vigorous protesting. You aren't going to truly maximize your long term productivity in this game without occasionally engaging in a little honest self-reflection about your actions.
Greetings. Its been quite a while since I posted and am unfortunately not returning with not much of a report. What I am looking for though is a PM from someone to share some info with me. I am over the Asian places and wondered if someone could share a MT who is white or hispanic that is more off the radar or appears legit. I've seen most of the CL advertisers and am more excited by new encounters then repeats, I am sure some of you understand that. I tried 3 different spas in south Lake County and there was nothing to be had so save your gas money.
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