"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Coolhand2]

I think I'd back off for a while and see what happens with CSB1, but good luck!

CSB3 sounds positive but she is 21 so don't bank on it yet. Good luck with her also!

I'm going to take your advice on CSB1 and totally back off for awhile. I'll see if she contacts me. I tried to see CSB3 on Friday but she turned me down because of another "dude." I haven't a clue where this is going, if any where, but as you said "she is 21." I'm not going to hold my breath but it would be nice.

On a happier note CSB4 has burst on the scene. We've been communicating back and forth for about three weeks and finally have a date set for Monday. She's a 31 year old single mother of two. She seemed very unsure about the whole SB / SD relationship, although she stated right upfront she needed financial help. She seemed real shy and then she goes and post a picture of her bare breasts (which look marvelous.) It was password protected but I have to admit it threw me for a loop. It wasn't what I was expecting at all. We're meeting for coffee but as usual, I have been clear on what my expectations are. We'll see what happens.

[Coolhand2]

That sounds like a good way to handle things up front, thanks!

When it comes to SB, Literal2 is the MAN!

[Spitfire]

I ask if they have a place we can meet privately or do I need to get a room. Even if we meet in a public place first, that way she'll know where I'm headed. This usually brings on a discussion of intimacy, timing, etc. Just my experience.

That sounds like a good way to handle things up front, thanks!

[Literal2]

Yesterday had it's ups and downs. CSB1 canceled on me as I was en route to her location. Sick child was the reason given. This is her second straight cancellation so I'm not sure what is going on. I haven't made up my mind if I should just let this go. The good news is I heard back from the 21year old (CSB3) that she's ready to meet based on the arrangement that I had spelled out. I'm going to try to move on this as soon as I can before her resolve waivers.

I think I'd back off for a while and see what happens with CSB1, but good luck!

CSB3 sounds positive but she is 21 so don't bank on it yet. Good luck with her also!

[Literal2]

I've experienced quite a few who it seems will hint at intimacy, but are reluctant to deliver. What have you guys found to be the best way to quickly separate those time wasters from the ones who are serious about getting down to business? I enjoy the whole 'dating' concept. Going out to dinner, shopping, etc. And I like good company, but I'm also looking for playtime too. What's the best way you've found? Do you bluntly ask or simply drop hints and gauge the response?

It's especially important for me as my area is lacking in the population of potential SBs and if I'm going to travel, I want to make sure my time is spent well.

I ask if they have a place we can meet privately or do I need to get a room. Even if we meet in a public place first, that way she'll know where I'm headed. This usually brings on a discussion of intimacy, timing, etc. Just my experience.

[Spitfire]

. As has been pointed out in this thread, it does take work to separate them out.

I don't mind the work but am always looking for ways to work smarter

[Coolhand2]

Yesterday had it's ups and downs. CSB1 canceled on me as I was en route to her location. Sick child was the reason given. This is her second straight cancellation so I'm not sure what is going on. I haven't made up my mind if I should just let this go. The good news is I heard back from the 21year old (CSB3) that she's ready to meet based on the arrangement that I had spelled out. I'm going to try to move on this as soon as I can before her resolve waivers.

[Coolhand2]

I've experienced quite a few who it seems will hint at intimacy, but are reluctant to deliver. What have you guys found to be the best way to quickly separate those time wasters from the ones who are serious about getting down to business? I enjoy the whole 'dating' concept. Going out to dinner, shopping, etc. And I like good company, but I'm also looking for playtime too. What's the best way you've found? Do you bluntly ask or simply drop hints and gauge the response?

It's especially important for me as my area is lacking in the population of potential SBs and if I'm going to travel, I want to make sure my time is spent well.

I have the same issues that you are facing. I travel also to meet SB's and I don't like wasting a trip. I've found that bluntness, delivered in a nice way, is the best way to go. After the initial contact, I try to spell out what I mean by "companionship". I've used some of the pointers that Literal2 has given such as staying away from the ones who are looking for relationships or husbands. As has been pointed out in this thread, it does take work to separate them out.

[Spitfire]

I've experienced quite a few who it seems will hint at intimacy, but are reluctant to deliver. What have you guys found to be the best way to quickly separate those time wasters from the ones who are serious about getting down to business? I enjoy the whole 'dating' concept. Going out to dinner, shopping, etc. And I like good company, but I'm also looking for playtime too. What's the best way you've found? Do you bluntly ask or simply drop hints and gauge the response?

It's especially important for me as my area is lacking in the population of potential SBs and if I'm going to travel, I want to make sure my time is spent well.

[Literal2]

Sorry to jump in here but I was told text messages were only stored for 24hrs then deleted. Only with a court order can they be retrieved.

I think they'll stay on your cell until you delete them, but I assume there's always a copy someplace on the cell phone vendor's computer. Who knows these days who else is monitoring cell phone traffic? A private individual shouldn't be able to access those copies. Tiger apparently left some of them on his phone for his wife to find which was not smart. If there is LE interest for whatever reason or a court order they will probably be recovered anyway. So I just refuse to let girls send me texts and I don't text them.

[Literal2]

Someone once said "Free sex is always the most expensive kind." How right they were!

As for building a relationship: Not bloody likely. Occasionally you might find some lady doing this that has her head screwed on straight, but I'm betting they're VERY rare. Every single one of the ladies / girls I've met doing this had significant emotional and / or psychological issues, from chemical dependency problems to chaos disorder. Doesn't mean they weren't beautiful and sweet and great in the sack, but they sure weren't relationship material. Think about it. Why is it that these girls never seem able to quite make ends meet consistently? They always have some emergency that they need extra money for. They're incapable of living within their means, and they're looking for a shortcut instead of learning how to make a budget and stay on it. Not flaming. Just pointing out something that a lot of guys lose sight of in this game.

Yeah I guess you're right. I'm going to have to let her go.

[Literal2]

I enjoy the shy ones also. Wading through all the scams, time wasters and 'want to-bes' can be a real chore, but when you find a good one, it makes it worth it.

Yes, I just love them. A couple of times I've been with nervous, inexperienced pros who were apprehensive and would try to convert my desire for FS to a HJ. It just gets me worked up, like I'm a stallion trying to corner a filly against a fence so I can mount her.

[Literal2]

How do you manage the dedicated cell? I know if a second cell was discovered by the warden there would be hell to pay. The same with a bill for a PO Box. I've just careful to scrub the phone of texts and numbers before I come home. If she found something encrypted, she would want to know why. One has to stay on ones toes in this mongering business.

Well I can't give away all my secrets but I'll say this: there are cell phones and there are sim cards, and as to encrypted files, there is encryption within encryption. As to po boxes, it's best to have a valid reason to have one but control access to it personally, like a safe deposit box. The bill comes to the box and actually I think you can handle it online these days. With all of these things it's important not to use them for anything illegal so that LE never has a reason to get on your case because if they do, these things will fail. It's also important to think through exactly what you will say if the warden breaches your security.

[CantWinLosin]

Someone once said "Free sex is always the most expensive kind." How right they were!

As for building a relationship: Not bloody likely. Occasionally you might find some lady doing this that has her head screwed on straight, but I'm betting they're VERY rare. Every single one of the ladies / girls I've met doing this had significant emotional and / or psychological issues, from chemical dependency problems to chaos disorder. Doesn't mean they weren't beautiful and sweet and great in the sack, but they sure weren't relationship material. Think about it. Why is it that these girls never seem able to quite make ends meet consistently? They always have some emergency that they need extra money for. They're incapable of living within their means, and they're looking for a shortcut instead of learning how to make a budget and stay on it. Not flaming. Just pointing out something that a lot of guys lose sight of in this game.

[Coolhand2]

Sorry to jump in here but I was told text messages were only stored for 24hrs then deleted. Only with a court order can they be retrieved.

They'll still be in your phone if you don't delete them.