"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Thudpucker]

I also prefer Under The Radar UTR girls

Hi. Not from this neck of the woods but the thread came up the same day I paid my close to. 5$ for a month on the SA site. I've been doing UTR for a few years (in addition to the street. I tend to avoid the public pros. Rarely worth the admission price in my book) , mostly by posting on CL Casual Encounters. The filters on CL now catch most of the 'mutually beneficial arrangement' type posts, and the replies are now pretty much entirely spam (as opposed to the former 99. 9% spam). There is a broad range of UTR talent, from dumpy old pros to gals who've done professional modeling. I've had semi-regular things with some spectacularly beautiful women with dinner dates followed by 100% GFE and given them 200 a meeting for their time with which they were happy. Rare, but there. I've currently got an ongoing thing with a 22-year-old former member of her college swim team for 100 / visit, so there's some good things to be had out there.

I decided to try 1 month paid after I saw 4 of the girls I'd been with from CL responses on the SA site, which let me know that at least some of the girls there are real (including the swimmer). We'll see how it goes. Of course we're all looking for the 19-year-old model material who humps like a wild monkey all night then quietly leaves in the morning with $100 and is happy. She doesn't exist.

I never pay an allowance in advance. As noted, once she's got the cash in hand she's got what she wants and will go looking for another well to provide.

[Literal2]

For what it is worth I've sent maybe 15-20 different girls emails and only have a "continuing relationship" with 3. Two of them were online at the same time and I sent emails asking if they wanted to meet. Both initiated chat during which we exchanged cell #'s and one I met and fucked the next day with no preliminaries and the other after a week during which I met her in public for a get acquainted session first. The third has been more difficult as we exchange emails frequently as I work to break out of the wolfpack of pussyhounds on her scent. We shifted to regular email instead of that on the site which helped. Pretty girls are bombarded on the site. Finally she met with me and she's hot hot hot but didn't have time to be alone. So I'll try again in a few weeks. I've given her some sugar but no more until penetration occurs. If it occurs. She is a ferocious cock teaser. Will try some others soon. Inmo you have to be direct enough in the initial contact so that she gets a little thrill but not so direct that she thinks you are weird.

[Coolhand2]

Google seeking arrangements. Let us know what happens.

I did as you suggested. Too rich for my blood. I did pay the SB site. No responses yet to emails.

[Literal2]

Your right about the cash only. My concern was about leaving a trail. What is the"arrangement" site you're refering to? I don't mind having an arrangement, if we can agree on an amount, but not in writing.

Google seeking arrangements. Let us know what happens.

[Coolhand2]

Coolhand, inmo this is a cash business. There are a hundred reasons why. None of them are to comply with tax regulations. On the "other site", the "arrangements" site (of which I am not a member) , it seems to me they try to get you to sign up in advance for some kind of monthly commitment. Maybe that will work better with some girls. You still should be able to figure out how to pay in cash though. Otherwise you leave a trail and I'm not talking about pecker tracks.

Your right about the cash only. My concern was about leaving a trail. What is the"arrangement" site you're refering to? I don't mind having an arrangement, if we can agree on an amount, but not in writing.

[Literal2]

Many thanks to OBX for sharing some of his technique. I am following along, trying to figure this so-called amateur scene out.

Coolhand, inmo this is a cash business. There are a hundred reasons why. None of them are to comply with tax regulations. On the "other site", the "arrangements" site (of which I am not a member) , it seems to me they try to get you to sign up in advance for some kind of monthly commitment. Maybe that will work better with some girls. You still should be able to figure out how to pay in cash though. Otherwise you leave a trail and I'm not talking about pecker tracks.

So I zeroed in on SB3, she of the emails saying how she wanted me to fuck her so bad etc. Summary: when I tried to meet her she said she was nervous and didn't quite have the time. So I'm kicking this one down the road for a while. I'll revisit later, still would like to taste that sweet pussy. I gave her some sugar in advance, maybe she'll just pocket it and drop me. We'll see.

[Coolhand2]

Here is how I approach it. First off I am what they need and not the other way around. You must keep that in mind. The most I have ever agreed to is 1k per month with visits of 2 or 3 times a week. Broke up on a 1st and 15th =500 each.

I have signed up for the sight but only for free. I was not sure if it was worth paying. I'm curious as how you make the payments. Do you make a deposit to her bank account or is it a cash payment? Is she willing to accommodate her schedule to yours? I would love to find a situation I could make work once a week with NSA. I have to admit you're making me think about biting the bullet and signing up.

Coolhand2

[Obx Fun]

Here is how I approach it. First off I am what they need and not the other way around. You must keep that in mind. The most I have ever agreed to is 1k per month with visits of 2 or 3 times a week. Broke up on a 1st and 15th =500 each. Its fair to both and trust me all I am going to say is true. I ask for pic's and never give them one. I am married and that would not be discreet If I sent them. I will offer a description. I usually ask for pic's up front so I don't waste my time. If they say no fuck them. Move on. It helps to weed out the non-real ones. I keep it in this area. I only want ones who have a place by themselves that we can use. They must be attractive to me. I'm not just looking for a port. Its not storming in my life. 1k per month is alot for some people but it works for my budget. I never chat sex for $. I ususally talk about rent and such. I always make it know that there has to be chemistry. Both mental and physical. So I will ususally agree to something fair for first visit. If the girl is really in need she will agree to all I have said. If not move on. Trust me. More on there every week. I am seeing a 21 yr olod VCU student from that site now. She is off it now. Beautiful. Giving. A real pleaser. Hot as hell and can suck a ball thru a keyhole. All this is just my opinion and thoughts. Like them? Fine. If not f-you. LOL.
Good hunting + be safe

[Literal2]

Been on SD site and connected with a very agreeable and attractive BBW. A little too big for my liking. The problem there is presenting enough information including pictures to come to the attention of these ladies, who are looking at 100's of EMails. Literal, you must have the magic answer to get them to respond-and therefore open up the treasure chest.

Here is the problem I have with monthly stipends-lack of performance. Once you pay up front the excuses start rolling out.

I have had 2 such arrangements. Both are hot and wonderful performers, but after a short while the agreed on weekly visits became less frequent. Always an excuse-and finally hooking up became like pulling teeth. We have wives who provide that service quite well, SBs / GFs are not supposed to.

Ergo, human nature being what it is, people will do as little as possible for a guaranteed salary. So my advice. And ongoing practice, is to link any stipend to performance-pay for play, which gets us back to the escort mentality.

Yes, I'm not against using a little sugar to get my foot in the door, but after things start rolling along I wouldn't contnue if the relationship didn't become or remain a penetrating one.

I think maybe I was just lucky.

We shall see.

[Snake27]

This is an interesting topic. I also prefer Under The Radar UTR girls and avoid girls who are doing a high volume of business. I think in most cases the high volume girls get burned out and are not into their job, though there are exceptions and it would also depend on the guy. Many high volume girls have emotional problems stemming from either an unhappy childhood or bad life experiences.

My ideal UTR GF is a reasonably stable single woman who has a job outside the sex industry but is struggling to make ends meet and needs extra money. Usually they have a kid or two and the father has deserted them. Actually there are many such women. But where to find them?

I have not tried the online sites because from everything I've read (including a section called Dating Agencies on this forum in the Special Interests section) they are a complete waste of time and money. Too much spam, fakes, and undesirable women. Since I haven't tried the online sites I'd be curious to know if they work, but I think even if they did work the women there are not really UTR by definition.

I have not dated many UTR girls, partly because they are so rare and partly because I'm not that keen on it anyway. But here is what I've found both from experience and a bit of research. Sometimes they'll cruise stripclubs to pick up men. These could be high volume girls. In addition, some of the civilian girls who go to SCs are lesbian. A short conversation will establish what they are doing there. I would not date a stripper, though. Usually if a stripper accepts an arrangement they are either a high volume girl or they don't sleep around much but are very expensive. In a way I would not mind the expense of a stripper but they are in a sex industry job and, as I said above, this tends to burn them out. Another place to find the UTR girls is regular nightclubs. They are so rare that I cannot give any general advice on how to pick them out of the crowd. As I said, my success rate is pretty low. Actually only three girls in 10 years. But that's ok, I'm patient. I have a SO. I'm not desperate.

There is some risk to the UTR girls, both from my experience and from what I've heard and read. For one thing, they may cling to you and then get "dramatic", call your SO, put your business out in public, etc. That didn't happen to me yet. Also you may get attached to them if they are interesting and fun to be with, which can have an emotional toll. Then there's the risk (which is actually a good thing for the girl) that if they have a lot of good qualities they will eventually get scooped up by a high-qualilty single man, and your arrangement is finished. That happened to me earlier this year.

[Pistol Peter]

Been on SD site and connected with a very agreeable and attractive BBW.a little too big for my liking. The problem there is presenting enough information including pictures to come to the attention of these ladies, who are looking at 100's of EMails. Literal, you must have the magic answer to get them to respond-and therefore open up the treasure chest.

Here is the problem I have with monthly stipends-lack of performance. Once you pay up front the excuses start rolling out.

I have had 2 such arrangements. Both are hot and wonderful performers, but after a short while the agreed on weekly visits became less frequent.always an excuse-and finally hooking up became like pulling teeth. We have wives who provide that service quite well, SBs / GFs are not supposed to.

Ergo, human nature being what it is, people will do as little as possible for a guaranteed salary. So my advice.and ongoing practice, is to link any stipend to performance-pay for play, which gets us back to the escort mentality.

[Literal2]

Personally I would never have tried the sites beyond the worthless free trials if it hadn't been for your posts OBX. I'm having a blast and I'm grateful to you. Yes, you are generous with leads too. I don't think you caused an uproar. I caused the uproar because I ignored the correct classification of the threads and some folks really, really care about classification. Plus this is an anonymous monger forum and mongers get grouchy without enough pussy. That equals uproar. So don't worry about it. Thanks again.

[Obx Fun]

When I originally spoke of these other sites I didn't know it would cause such an uproar. It's only my opinion when I speak of them. Funny tho. I brought 3 different girls to everyones attention from those sites because I share when I can. And it seems alot of guys enjoyed my find. They came from those sites. You that are curious can go back and check for the 3 I shared. How many have most of you brought in or shared? Maybe it doesn't work for some but they work for me. Thats all I will say to this.

Good Luck all.

Be safe

[Literal2]

I mentioned I have been zeroing in on a third girl from "that site." The other two were easy, pussy pix of one, which you have seen and the squirter. Number 3 is turning out to be harder. Very hot in the texting,"oh! My pussy is so wet for you," that kind of thing, but now I am trying to get close enough to actually fuck her she is dancing around,"oh! Maybe I can't do it, not now, we'll do it later," etc. Etc. Frustrating? Yes. But fun. I love the chase almost as much as catching a girl. (I realize many guys don't, no disrespect intended to anyone else's preferences). So I don't think I will get to fuck number 3 this weekend after all but I may make some progress. I do plan to return to Tabby and see if I can get her to squirt again. Not in jail, no.

[Mrjlg10]

I am on the SD site! There are a few local escorts on there trying to mask there real intent. There are also some real woman on there who want to be spoiled (their words)! I'm in contact with a few woman on there now. They are very eager to meet and get something going. I haven't decided which one I really want to see. When I do I'll let you know the outcome. Either way no matter what label they use it's all the same.

"Angel" is closer to 40 than 26, has been known by many names, and was busted in a very highly publicized and very visible bust a few years ago as being the madam of an escort service along with her pimp be / f. She did hard time. Avoid her like the plague.

There are a lot of girls on these sites that have seen the news-magazine pieces on this sort of thing happening in NYC and LA, and have pretty unrealistic expectations for what they can make, hence the ads for average-looking-but-fancy-sounding girls that have learned marketing but think they're worth a whole lot more than they are. OTOH, there are rich SOBs out there that will pay that sort of money. For a primo porn-star-quality girl. None of those types from around here on the SB sites, although there are a few very-nice ladies and a couple of seriously-hot MILFs.

That said, there are some girls. And some MILFs. That are hurting in this economy, and are turning to this as a way to make ends meet. Some are trying the SB thing first because it offends their sensibilities less than turning multiple tricks per day. Until they learn that the SB scenario is not (usually) a steady income, at which point they either give up or become your traditional escort.

As for legalities, if it's an exchange of sex for anything of value, it's prostitution. Proving that it's that and not just your typical date that includes sex is the tough part, especially if the exchange is not in cash or is unassociated with the meeting. This is one reason the ladies like the arrangement of a single monthly stipend that's exchanged outside the normal contact of the relationship. But you also have to remember that, in most jurisdictions, prostitution is a misdemeanor, which means two things: first, the cops must either witness the illegal act or you or your friend admit to the crime, and that's very unlikely in these scenarios; and second, the cops' first interest is always the visible-to-the-public activity. Get the walkers off the street and the obvious hookers out of the motels. There are relatively few SBs, they're almost never public in what they do, and the effort (cost to the taxpayer) it takes to pursue and actually bust a SB for prostitution is way too high for what will be a misdemeanor conviction. The law is pretty specific as to what constitutes prostitution exactly so that taking a date out to dinner and then going back to your place for sex is not considered prostitution. SBs live on that difference.