Supereloquent's Reports - Philadelphia

[Supereloquent]

Thanks for your welcoming and helpful response Super E.

You are welcome.

I have 2 questions which probably any of you mongers from Philly can answer.

1. Would you recommend parking somewhere and walking the K to pick up a SW before 10:30pm. Or should I just stick to pickups on the side Streets off the K?

If you have a car, I would recommend trolling the K in it, especially after dark. It's a lot more dangerous on foot in the evening / night than during the day. When you see a SW you like, you can park on a side street off the K and approach her on foot to avoid a pick-up right on the Ave. This accomplishes a number of goals: 1. Walking means a long hike between "hot corners. " It's not like there is a SW on every corner. It might take a few passes to find one you like. Riding in a car is the best way to do this, and a lot safer.2. You get to see the SW up close and get a sense of her before making a final decision on the date.3. Walking once you have scoped out the SW you want allows you to more carefully view the area for all potential problems, especially any nearby marked or unmarked LE.

2. Would most of the Philly girls be willing to go back to my hotel close by. Since I am not familiar with good places to do parking dates?

Most SWs would have no problem going back to your downtown hotel. However, you have to make sure that your hotel wouldn't frown on bringing her through the lobby if she looks too obvious. That's why a motel is often a better option.

[Daman2]

You are most welcome.

There is nothing much new under the sun. The 22 rules of mongering published on this website pretty much apply here as they do anywhere else. I recommend doing a couple of passes on the stroll to get the lay of the land, and not to pick up any SWs right on the K, where you can be in plain view of LE. However, you will see some boneheads do exactly that.

LE in Philly usually have bigger fish to fry than to be arresting mongers for just associating with a known SW or giving her a ride. But my philosophy is to be cautious in these matters. It is better to be safe than sorry IMHO.

Camden right across the river is an entirely different situation. LE there apparently don't have enough to do and they have a hard on for arresting mongers or giving them tickets for various local ordinances that basically make it a crime just to be in Camden: like loitering in a known crime area, loitering for the purposes of prostitution, etc.

Thanks for your welcoming and helpful response Super E.

I have 2 questions which probably any of you mongers from Philly can answer.

1. Would you recommend parking somewhere and walking the K to pick up a SW before 10:30pm. Or should I just stick to pickups on the side Streets off the K?

2. Would most of the Philly girls be willing to go back to my hotel close by. Since I am not familiar with good places to do parking dates?

[Supereloquent]

When reading the recent legal difficulties of Johnboy and others in Camden for solicitation-related offenses, and Love to Monger's 10 year old ticketing experience for intent to buy a controlled substance, they reminded me of the only 2 run-ins I have ever had with Philly's finest (except for a large recent traffic accident; that had nothing to do with mongering, but it would be a lesson well learned for anyone involved in a traffic accident with police on the scene, especially here in Philly)

These incidents happened many years ago, so long in fact, that I wouldn't even be able to recall the exact years. But, it was in the vicinity of 10 to 12.

The first involved parking with a SW. I still do parking dates, but not nearly so many as I once did, for many reasons in addition to LE exposure. During this particular incident I was parked at night in what I thought was a relatively secluded area. We had only been there 5 minutes or so when a squad car pulled up silently behind us with its lights off. It was so pitch black there that I didn't even see it in my mirrors. My only guess is that a pedestrian or nearby resident (although it bordered an abandoned industrial area and houses were a good distance away) had alerted LE, or maybe the squad car had seen us pull into the area and were suspicious. Otherwise, how did they know to sneak up on us so quickly, quietly and unobtrusively like that?

All of a sudden the beacon beam from the squad car was directly shining on us in the back seat from a 3/4 angle. All she was wearing was her undies, and I had my pants and boxers pulled completely down to the floor. She was in the process of sucking my cock. Talk about being caught red-handed! They allowed us to get dressed and then questioned us separately (a reason to get a story straight between you if you do a parking date). Very fortunately she was a burban girl just trying to make a little extra dough, and had no priors, no outstanding warrants and was carrying no drugs. My record at that time (and still to today) was squeaky clean: no tickets, no arrests, no convictions, not even a moving violation or a parking ticket.

Thoughts were racing through my head. They could certainly try to charge us with solicitation of prostitution but there was no evidence unless we incriminated ourselves. I was hoping she was smart enough not to do that, and she didn't, nor did I. However, they pressed us very hard to do so by telling us it would go a lot easier for us if we simply told them the truth. One charge I knew they may have us dead to rights on was public lewdness, although, even this might be very defensible, given where we were. Nonetheless, you can easily be charged with anything, as LE in Camden has shown us on numerous occasions. Fortunately, Philly LE have more important things to worry about to allocate time for court appearances, like robberies, shootings, battery, drug offenses and murder.

They eventually cut the SW loose and she was allowed to walk away. I thought this was a very good sign, but they kept me there for about another 30 minutes, seemingly checking out my paperwork, my record and the record on my vehicle, which I knew would all be in order and spotless. If their tactic was to scare me shitless, they succeeded. They left with a stern warning. For a long time I did no parking dates, and even today, I am extremely cautious about doing so.

The second incident involved a bad pick-up and is a primary reason why I have consistently warned against doing any pick-ups directly on the K.

I was traveling west on a side street approaching a "hot SW corner" on the K. A SW was clearly posted on the corner ahead of me. I stopped 1/4 block short of the K to get her attention, but she was focused on the traffic on the Ave and didn't turn around to see me. So, instead of driving to the corner and motioning for her to meet me further back down the block and circling back to pick her up, I did the convenient and boneheaded thing of picking her up right on the corner. This was bad for two reasons. This was a stretch of the Ave that had a fairly clear line of sight in both directions, and pulling up like that didn't enable you to see what was driving in either direction, so you were picking her up blind so to speak. The second problem was that the street dead ended at the K and you had to make a turn onto the Ave and travel for a block or two before getting off again.

When I turned onto the K I saw a squad car two cars behind me and I was thinking: "shit! " I hoped he wouldn't follow, but no such luck. He followed me for several blocks. Eventually the car directly behind me veered off and LEO was right behind me. He followed me for a few more blocks and then turned on the bubble gum machines. I pulled over, hoping against hope that it was meant for someone else, but he got out and approached my window. It was a single LEO in the car. That was a bit unusual as patrols usually travel in pairs. I noticed from his badge that his assigned district was not this district. I did not know if that meant anything in terms of his "jurisdiction" in certain matters, like this one (and I still don't know, unless a fellow monger can enlighten me and us on these legalities and / or police procedure regarding this in Philly). However, my guess was that this was better than not, and my further guess was that, since he was driving alone, that he may have likely been returning the squad car to his district HQ and just happened to see me in the process.

He checked my paperwork, inspected my car (a reason always to have this stuff in order), and ran a background check. Then he came to my window and asked me what was going on. I asked him politely if I had done something wrong, and he said "You know what I mean, " and pointed to my passenger and said: "Her. " I told him I was giving her a ride. He said, "Look, I am out here every day. I know what goes on at that corner. I saw you pick her up. " I simply said nothing. He motioned for her to get out and cut us both loose. He didn't even give us a warning, or check her for warrants, but I was still scared shitless.

Later I had a date with that very same SW and she told me she recognized the LEO and was pretty sure he recognized her. So, that may have been a primary reason he was so sure about stopping us, in addition to the obvious corner.

These stories have several instructive morals IMHO:

1. Be VERY cautious when you do a parking date. I was very lucky. You may not be so fortunate.

2. Don't do pick-ups directly on the stroll!

3. Philly LE seem to have a lot more to worry about than ticketing or arresting SWs and mongers. However, I wouldn't rely on their priorities and discretionary leniency to always cut you a break. They have bigger fish to fry on the K, like drugs and violence, but SWs don't have a pile of outstanding warrants, priors, and lock-ups for nothing.

4. When you pick up a SW, establish a consistent believable story between you as to why you are traveling together, because, if you are stopped you may be questioned separately. Stick to your stories!

5. If you are stopped, be polite, but don't incriminate yourself or voluntarily agree to a search (even if you have nothing to hide). You don't have to be a legal smart-ass, but you should appropriately exercise your 4th and 5th amendment rights and know how to do so. The links provided in this Forum to the videos on that are very instructive in this regard.

6. It is far better to be lucky than smart!

[Supereloquent]

That was the ticket ( intention to buy controlled substances). I couldn't even tell you the year. Going on ten years ago now. While with a girl, was pulled over for driving while white in Camden. As both of us came back clean from the traffic stop, this was the officer's only option. I guess?

Not wanting to pay 1500 for a lawyer, I talked to the prosecutor on court day. Plead guilty, paid a fine over 200. If no recurrence for x period of time offense goes away. Worked for me. No record of offense today.

Three of these tickets leads to a permanent record.

Stay Safe, STAY ALERT.

Thanks for sharing. I basically did the same as you only with a lawyer that my usual lawyer referred me to, at a reduced rate. Definitly changes your outlook on the hobby when you stand before the judge. Glad to hear all went well for you.

JB

Thanks to you both for sharing your experiences. When a monger is brave enough to admit an error or a very difficult / awkward situation he has experienced, we should be appreciative of what it teaches us, and not be so ready to jump all over him. Some mongers are quick to judge and be Monday morning quarterbacks, as I have already addressed.

In my view there were far too many who treated you harshly, Johnboy, in the South Jersey Forum as if you were stupid for getting in that situation and handled it badly. Fantasy is expounding how easy it is to avoid tickets and charges (it isn't; however, there are some things to remember in the Bill of Rights that, if properly exercised, that might make such problems easier to defend in court,) and how easy it is to defend tickets and charges or have them reduced (that may be true, but it doesn't come without a cost of time and money and / or having the right legal representation) Reality is sweating out the negative possible outcomes, committing your time to court appearances and seeking legal advice, paying money for legal fees and fines, having to stand before the judge, and living with the consequences of a court decision.

Again, thank you for sharing your experience. It taught me a LOT more about mongering in Camden than a paragraph about how some guy got a BJ from a girl with a vague description, whose name he can't remember, and sketchy details about the encounter.

[Johnboy]

That was the ticket. I couldn't even tell you the year. Going on ten years ago now. While with a girl, was pulled over for driving while white in Camden. As both of us came back clean from the traffic stop, this was the officer's only option. I guess?

Not wanting to pay 1500 for a lawyer, I talked to the prosecutor on court day. Plead guilty, paid a fine over 200. If no recurrence for x period of time offense goes away. Worked for me. No record of offense today.

Three of these tickets leads to a permanent record.

Stay Safe, STAY ALERT.

L T M

Thanks for sharing. I basically did the same as you only with a lawyer that my usual lawyer referred me to, at a reduced rate. Definitly changes your outlook on the hobby when you stand before the judge. Glad to hear all went well for you.

JB

[Johnboy]

Thank you for your thank you.

There are way too many Monday morning quarterbacks on this site who are all too ready to tell you how they would have handled something or give you a brow beating about how something should have been handled. I would prefer to hear how someone actually DID handle a similar situation or a well-reasoned analysis and commentary that shows some thought and causes one to reflect.

The discussions regarding Camden and mongers facing tickets and legal battles in court is a prime example. There seem to be a lot of what we would have called "shit-house lawyers" where I grew up, who come on like gangbusters and tell you it is no biggie and how easy it is to beat the charges or the tickets in the Camden courts. It doesn't sound that way for the guys who actually are facing that, or from guys who actually have faced it. Regardless of the nature of the charge or ticket, at minimum it seems to involve an investment of your time and a considerable expense to be fighting anything in court, and requires a good attorney with experience in the Camden courts in defending your particular offense. The bottom line in all of this is obviously not to get a ticket, but that is easier said than done. You can be and have to be much more careful mongering in Camden than in Philly. The reasons for that seem primarily to be twofold: mongers stick out like a sore thumb in Camden as opposed to blending in on the K (except not so much at night, another reason I prefer day mongering) and LE there use local ordinances like loitering for the purposes of soliciting prostitution, or visiting a disorderly area for an unlawful purpose (such as solicitation of prostitution, to hand out tickets like candy. Tickets may be relatively easy to beat from a legal perspective, by just showing up in court (since LE often does not) or lack of convincing evidence, or the relative ease of getting reduced charges if you fight them with a good lawyer at your side, but all those legal niceties are little comfort to the guy directly involved. There can always be good advice to follow in any situation involving LE, such as remembering to exercise your fourth amendment (protection from unreasonable search and seizure) and fifth amendment (protection from self incrimination) rights in a polite and reasonable way. Beyond the soundness of such advice, I would rather hear the first-person story of a monger who has experienced something like this as a lesson to be learned than all the blowhards who proceed to tell him how THEY would have done it!

Thanks for agreeing with me and repeating in your thread the point I was attempting to convey in my original post in the Camden thread. All the should have and could have remarks get a little old and some were a little abusive. I handled my situation the way I thought best and wheather I was stupid or otherwise makes no difference to anyone else. Experience is something you achieve through trial and error with hopes you don't get burned too much in the process. I attempted to get all the legal masterminds to tell their experience's as a way to learn, however the well seems to have run dry of information and the lawyers have run for the hills. Go figure!

JB

[Love To Monger]

That was the ticket. I couldn't even tell you the year. Going on ten years ago now. While with a girl, was pulled over for driving while white in Camden. As both of us came back clean from the traffic stop, this was the officer's only option. I guess?

Not wanting to pay 1500 for a lawyer, I talked to the prosecutor on court day. Plead guilty, paid a fine over 200. If no recurrence for x period of time offense goes away. Worked for me. No record of offense today.

Three of these tickets leads to a permanent record.

Stay Safe, STAY ALERT.

L T M

[Supereloquent]

That was probably one of the most honest statements I've heard on this board and I thank you for that. No one is perfect as you stated, and anyone who thinks that way will surely lose in the end.

Thank you for your thank you.

There are way too many Monday morning quarterbacks on this site who are all too ready to tell you how they would have handled something or give you a brow beating about how something should have been handled. I would prefer to hear how someone actually DID handle a similar situation or a well-reasoned analysis and commentary that shows some thought and causes one to reflect.

The discussions regarding Camden and mongers facing tickets and legal battles in court is a prime example. There seem to be a lot of what we would have called "shit-house lawyers" where I grew up, who come on like gangbusters and tell you it is no biggie and how easy it is to beat the charges or the tickets in the Camden courts. It doesn't sound that way for the guys who actually are facing that, or from guys who actually have faced it. Regardless of the nature of the charge or ticket, at minimum it seems to involve an investment of your time and a considerable expense to be fighting anything in court, and requires a good attorney with experience in the Camden courts in defending your particular offense. The bottom line in all of this is obviously not to get a ticket, but that is easier said than done. You can be and have to be much more careful mongering in Camden than in Philly. The reasons for that seem primarily to be twofold: mongers stick out like a sore thumb in Camden as opposed to blending in on the K (except not so much at night, another reason I prefer day mongering) and LE there use local ordinances like loitering for the purposes of soliciting prostitution, or visiting a disorderly area for an unlawful purpose ( such as solicitation of prostitution), to hand out tickets like candy. Tickets may be relatively easy to beat from a legal perspective, by just showing up in court (since LE often does not) or lack of convincing evidence, or the relative ease of getting reduced charges if you fight them with a good lawyer at your side, but all those legal niceties are little comfort to the guy directly involved. There can always be good advice to follow in any situation involving LE, such as remembering to exercise your fourth amendment (protection from unreasonable search and seizure) and fifth amendment (protection from self incrimination) rights in a polite and reasonable way. Beyond the soundness of such advice, I would rather hear the first-person story of a monger who has experienced something like this as a lesson to be learned than all the blowhards who proceed to tell him how THEY would have done it!

[Supereloquent]

Sample pic of Jody from the last group of pics, sucking on my cock.

[Supereloquent]

Nude; restrained; with dog-bone gag; with ball gag; doggie finger spread; diddling herself with a dildo; licking and sucking my cock.

Next up: report and pics of my date with Jamie Lynn

[Johnboy]

None of us were born with perfect mongering experience and judgment. We have all made our fair share of mongering mistakes if the truth be told. That might make a great idea for a thread. I think we learn a lot more from our mistakes than from our successes. Look at all these legal hassles some fellow mongers are going through in Camden. Hard realities like that teach us a lot about good mongering practices and the importance of exercising of caution. Too often we get so excited about a good find that we neglect to follow basic rules of care and vigilance.

That was probably one of the most honest statements I've heard on this board and I thank you for that. No one is perfect as you stated, and anyone who thinks that way will surely lose in the end.

[Socalcasualguy]

If you go to the homepage and jsut scroll down a little ways you will see 22 Rules. Here's th elink to go directly to it.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/index.php? Pageid=mongeringrules

Yeah, I think the sun has gotten to me-LOL. I was looking in the Philly threads and not on the main board page. Thanks again.

[Supereloquent]

We have all made our fair share of mongering mistakes if the truth be told. That might make a great idea for a thread.

Excellent Idea.

Thank you.

I will admit to making some boneheaded mistakes early on in my mongering career. In David Letterman style, here is my "top ten" list:

10. Calling a SW numerous times even after she can't be reached directly, and it is clear she is not going to return the call. While this is no big deal, you have to learn that a girl is either going to be reliable and reachable by her phone or she isn't. There doesn't tend to be some middle ground.

9. Making an appointment and hanging around for a SW to finally show up when she felt like it. (Now I have a firm rule and I let the girl know it: I will be there on time and she should be there on time. I allow 15 minutes for unforeseen circumstances and after that I am gone!)

8. Believing that a girl gives "the best" head or whatever. This is like most things in life. "The best" just show you, they don't need to tell you.

7. Paying a premium up front for services promised to be superior to the "average girl" on the Ave. (I don't mind paying up front, but my policy is to pay the average Ave rate with a tip for exceptional performance. If you give them everything up front, where is the incentive to perform?)

6. Allowing the girl to fire up her stem in your car.

5. Going to their spot to park or their place when you don't already know them, or have reasonably good intel about them, and / or approach them through a reliable reference. While I have never done this blindly, I can only imagine the many unwanted dangers it can present.

4. Giving a SW your phone number, because she says she is going to be getting a new phone soon and will call you. I have never known one to call, and, even if you have a throw-away mongering cell, it is a waste of time to give out your number.

3. Believing everything (or sometimes anything) a SW tells you. Most are drug addicted. Most lie. They will lie about innocuous things like their age, or almost anything else. Sometimes what they say is the truth, but we always need to take what they say with a grain of salt, most especially if it maligns a fellow monger. We should know better than to repeat such malicious third-hand gossip. Unimpeachable witnesses they are not.

2. Falling for a SW's sob story about why she needs more money after you have already paid her for the date, and perhaps even given her a tip. A meal or some smokes may be warranted as a nice gesture, particularly for a long date and multiple cups, but if you have compensated her fairly by Ave standards then that ought to be enough. If she wants BP / CL rates then she ought to advertise on line and see that isn't all it's cracked up to be instead of peddling her pussy on the K.

And (drum roll) the #1 mongering mistake IMHO:

1. Giving them money to cop before a date: if they are so dope sick that they need to do this, you are better off to cut off the date and let them out. It is a 50/50 proposition at best, and not much upside for you. In many cases they will just disappear with your dough. Even if they come back there are often long time delays while you remain parked in a dicey drug area, or have to drive around like an underpaid car service.

I am sure all of you will have your own favorite "mistakes" to add to this list.

[Member #4581]

If you go to the homepage and jsut scroll down a little ways you will see 22 Rules. Here's th elink to go directly to it.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/index.php? Pageid=mongeringrules

[Scuuze]

We have all made our fair share of mongering mistakes if the truth be told. That might make a great idea for a thread.

Excellent Idea.