"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[Peter Johnson]

Yeah that's it. It's pretty decent. Only pain is you have to pay with crypto. Not terribly difficult just extra steps. $20 worth gets you a bunch of credits. Plenty for searching but they expire every 2 or 3 weeks. I'll usually buy a chunk of credits when I know I'm going to be active.

You can use it for free to get a sense of match abilities, but can't actually click through to the find without credits.

Ok great and paying with crypto is actually easier for me than messing with a prepaid card. Well a little easier.

Damn, I just looked up one girl I am talking to and she stabbed some dude a few years ago and the police found a 5 inch knife with dried blood on it at her place. I can't find any info about a conviction though. She is hot, so I'm sure was just given probation, if even that.

[Bill Ginn]

Nice catch.

Is that the Facecheck.id site? I need to start using these sites and running the girls pics through there. It can't be that expensive.

What are the other good ones and I will set up accounts now and fund.

Yeah that's it. It's pretty decent. Only pain is you have to pay with crypto. Not terribly difficult just extra steps. $20 worth gets you a bunch of credits. Plenty for searching but they expire every 2 or 3 weeks. I'll usually buy a chunk of credits when I know I'm going to be active.

You can use it for free to get a sense of match abilities, but can't actually click through to the find without credits.

[Peter Johnson]

Facecheck shows older pics of her on several pro sites including Eros and backpagegals. Not using my credits to see if they are active posts. Didn't see her on Atlantas Eros page currently.

Nice catch.

Is that the Facecheck.id site? I need to start using these sites and running the girls pics through there. It can't be that expensive.

What are the other good ones and I will set up accounts now and fund.

[Peter Johnson]

That's the entire point of good encryption. The security doesn't rely on the security of a data center, your ISP, or any other 3rd party. Only you and the person at the other end can see what's in the data and because Signal has security from being cracked by quantum computers, even the most capable nations can't break it. They can intercept the coms all they want but unless there is some major breakthrough beyond quantum computers, that data will be safe long after we are dead.

The fly in the ointment here is that you have no idea who you are talking to on the other end and they can share that data with anyone they want or they could even be law enforcement. It really comes down to what are you trying to protect yourself from and how realistic is that threat. Personally, I just want to keep my identity a secret from the person on the other end. I'm not really worried about LE so I'm OK with texting over a burner phone even if Google can figure out who I am.

Yes exactly, you get it. A couple of these other guys are total clueless about what encryption even is. Yet they think they are experts. Dunning-Kruger in full effect.

And my goal is to keep my identity private from a psycho stalker type of girl, and also ones who could go to LE for some bullshit. And so many of those girls are into drugs and other illegal activities, and I don't need to get pulled into that from me talking to them about sugar dating over SMS. I'm never concerned that I'm actually messaging LE. That thought has never really enters my mind, and I don't view it as a significant risk. I'm also not really concerned about the NSA reading about my whoremongering activities, but that wouldn't be great either.

Of course the girls could screenshot the conversation, but most are too dumb and lazy to do that, and also you can use disappearing messages in Signal. But I usually have that set for 4 weeks, so not really that helpful. The main weak link are that I send them my pics on Signal. Of course someone else could be using my photos, but that's a stretch and with facial recognition sites, that could sink me. Or if we met in person, they could take a photo of my license plate info on some dates, but again I don't think most of them are even smart enough to think about doing this. And if you have a date in a hotel room, the girl could get LE to get your info from the hotel with a warrant, but again just additional steps, and makes it all less likely to find you.

I had that one from the site threaten me to go to LE. She messaged me:

"Hello my daughter is now in the hospital due to her feeling insecure and needing to apparently have sec with you for Money. The apartment complex has your license plate number on your vehicle. And also camera footage. You're going to have to pay the 300 that you owe my daughter to her cash app or PayPal or Zelle. Or I will be going to the local authorities about you being on a website asking for sex. I have gone through her phone and they will be able to track this IP address. This is not a threat. This is me preventing the law-enforcement from coming after you. You're going to give my daughter what she owes you touched her private parts in attempt to do do anything with her. As you did not hold up your word. I understand you wanted a certain amount of time but no matter what if we go to the legal authorities you will be in trouble. I highly just recommend this stopping and paying the $300 some way possible. You could also swing by the complex and meet me her mother or her roommate and pay the 300 that is owed only two options. Have the police show up at your doorstep or pay the 300 that is owed. No choice don't care if not everything on your check box list was checked. You automatically try to pursue a sexual relationship for money, which is illegal. ".

What a nutjob, but I was glad I used Signal with her instead of SMS. And actually she brought up money before me, in the Signal chat. I mean maybe it wouldn't have made a huge difference to use Signal in this case, but it does help. Even with something like google voice or mysudo, it probably registers your device MAC address in the app. And that can almost certainly be connected to your real life identity. So forget these girls who won't use Signal. I lose a lot of prospects like this, but so be it.

It's like russian roulette out there with these crazy cunts. I always try to remember that.

[GoneForGood97]

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...a-3ee56a43c9a4

Has anyone met this one? Seems like a somewhat sweet girl, but I get an escort vibe from her. She started talking about the "donation", which is not a good sign.

And I have seen many escorts and enjoyed most (or maybe half) of them, but it's just a somewhat different experience and not what I'm going for here.

Neck tattoo is normally a dead giveaway they were a sex worker at some point, either dancer or escort. It's the only type of job a girl can get and get away with having one. A lot of restaurants won't even let someone be a server if they have face / neck tattoos.

[2me4Looking2]

I think you may be discussing how secure the app itself is based on encryption algo strength and what not. But no matter how good the devs are, there is no data center / cloud tenant or network location on earth that is 100% safe from a government entity silently intervening with the hosting and infrastructure and capturing and tracking whatever they want.

That's the entire point of good encryption. The security doesn't rely on the security of a data center, your ISP, or any other 3rd party. Only you and the person at the other end can see what's in the data and because Signal has security from being cracked by quantum computers, even the most capable nations can't break it. They can intercept the coms all they want but unless there is some major breakthrough beyond quantum computers, that data will be safe long after we are dead.

The fly in the ointment here is that you have no idea who you are talking to on the other end and they can share that data with anyone they want or they could even be law enforcement. It really comes down to what are you trying to protect yourself from and how realistic is that threat. Personally, I just want to keep my identity a secret from the person on the other end. I'm not really worried about LE so I'm OK with texting over a burner phone even if Google can figure out who I am.

[Bill Ginn]

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...a-3ee56a43c9a4

Has anyone met this one? Seems like a somewhat sweet girl, but I get an escort vibe from her. She started talking about the "donation", which is not a good sign.

And I have seen many escorts and enjoyed most (or maybe half) of them, but it's just a somewhat different experience and not what I'm going for here.

Facecheck shows older pics of her on several pro sites including Eros and backpagegals. Not using my credits to see if they are active posts. Didn't see her on Atlantas Eros page currently.

[Peter Johnson]

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...a-3ee56a43c9a4

Has anyone met this one? Seems like a somewhat sweet girl, but I get an escort vibe from her. She started talking about the "donation", which is not a good sign.

And I have seen many escorts and enjoyed most (or maybe half) of them, but it's just a somewhat different experience and not what I'm going for here.

[Peter Johnson]

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...6-e63944c56b77

That can't be for real. I have no words.

It sent me a message and I couldn't get to the Block button fast enough. (Actually I felt bad so I just deleted the message, unread. But that profile is going to give me nightmares).

[Peter Johnson]

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...5-23a74f591046

I don't know about this one. She definitely has a pro vibe and was very quick to send me her # and started talking about ppm immediately (once I got her on Signal). And she wanted to also hook up immediately.

She wants 500 and sends me pics, and one of them looks like a dumpy body, nothing like her photos on the site. I mean it could be the same person, but probably not. Anyway too many red flags in a short time period, so I'm not going to pursue it further.

[Peter Johnson]

I think you may be discussing how secure the app itself is based on encryption algo strength and what not. But no matter how good the devs are, there is no data center / cloud tenant or network location on earth that is 100% safe from a government entity silently intervening with the hosting and infrastructure and capturing and tracking whatever they want.

Yes they can capture the end to end encrypted data, which gives them absolutely nothing. And sure, no data will be secure "forever" (assuming humanity lasts long enough), but if an open source protocol has quantum resistant encryption, that's about the best you are going to do, for a long, long time.

"oh, you remember that encryption-at-rest algo that was undefeatable even by Quantum? We can sell you the backdoor key for that for only 200 million".

If there was a backdoor in Signal, it would be discernible in the open source code. But it's not, because there isn't. Sure there is always some risk of them pushing an auto update with such malicious code, that could do some harm before it was recognized, but that's about it.

Also there's also always some non zero risk of one's device being compromised, but that's not what we are discussing here. We are talking about what communication protocol is the safest, with the fewest drawbacks.

Ultimately, the key points are trying to stay secure with what's currently available. Signal is end-to-end encrypted and stores info on the sending and receiving devices. As it stands, that is more secure than Telegram, which stores data on centralized servers... which could be compromised by bad actors, including the host. Also, by default, Telegram is not end-to-end encrypted, but can be with "secret chats." They also both hide your phone number, which WhatsApp does not do.

Yes, good summary and Telegram seems to be the second best option, after Signal, among the more mainstream options. But Telegram is not open source, so you have to trust the developers, and why do that, if you don't have to? But I have done the Telegram secret chats with a couple of girls from the site, and it's a compromise I can accept, if necessary.

[FreudFro]

I think you may be discussing how secure the app itself is based on encryption algo strength and what not. But no matter how good the devs are, there is no data center / cloud tenant or network location on earth that is 100% safe from a government entity silently intervening with the hosting and infrastructure and capturing and tracking whatever they want.

And since "good" devs make good money, and generally don't just spend all their free time working for no pay, do questions not come to mind as to their motive here?

Usually what happens with open-source is that if there is any real value in the software itself and it finds success, that value starts to accumulate and becomes an increasing maintenance burden, at which point the developer (s) either decide to abandon or monetize the project (and if there is money to be had, can you guess what their preference will be)? And since purchase of this type of app is usually not about the software itself, but the data it acquired in operation, what would make the most financial sense? To say "oh sorry, we have nothing to sell but the source code which has already been freely downloadable by anyone all this time" . Or would it be smarter, and more like a typical software engineer selling what they just spent the last 10 years on, to say "oh, you remember that encryption-at-rest algo that was undefeatable even by Quantum? We can sell you the backdoor key for that for only 200 million".

As a fellow tech geek, I agree with your posts. Good reads, thanks for sharing. I will disagree that there are fewer "good" devs in open source. I mean Linus Torvalds made Linux and Git (both free and open source), but I digress.

Ultimately, the key points are trying to stay secure with what's currently available. Signal is end-to-end encrypted and stores info on the sending and receiving devices. As it stands, that is more secure than Telegram, which stores data on centralized servers... which could be compromised by bad actors, including the host. Also, by default, Telegram is not end-to-end encrypted, but can be with "secret chats." They also both hide your phone number, which WhatsApp does not do.

They are both good options. Signal is more like a Wickr replacement (which was what I loved).

Be safe out there.

[OliverNP]

The notion that open source is not inherently more secure than closed source is accurate. The security depends heavily on how good the devs are and who is reviewing the code. There is plenty of junk and dubious open source apps out there. That being said, Signal is one of the most if not the most secure messaging apps there is. They just implemented security to protect from Quantum computers and I don't think anyone else has that yet. It also gets a lot of attention and review from security experts.

I think you may be discussing how secure the app itself is based on encryption algo strength and what not. But no matter how good the devs are, there is no data center / cloud tenant or network location on earth that is 100% safe from a government entity silently intervening with the hosting and infrastructure and capturing and tracking whatever they want.

And since "good" devs make good money, and generally don't just spend all their free time working for no pay, do questions not come to mind as to their motive here?

Usually what happens with open-source is that if there is any real value in the software itself and it finds success, that value starts to accumulate and becomes an increasing maintenance burden, at which point the developer (s) either decide to abandon or monetize the project (and if there is money to be had, can you guess what their preference will be)? And since purchase of this type of app is usually not about the software itself, but the data it acquired in operation, what would make the most financial sense? To say "oh sorry, we have nothing to sell but the source code which has already been freely downloadable by anyone all this time" . Or would it be smarter, and more like a typical software engineer selling what they just spent the last 10 years on, to say "oh, you remember that encryption-at-rest algo that was undefeatable even by Quantum? We can sell you the backdoor key for that for only 200 million".

[OliverNP]

What an utterly absurd statement. It was difficult to read anything after that.

It was clear by your response that you're unqualified to debate this topic with me or even understand my point.

For everyone else, I will just leave it at the fact that anyone out there can verify what I've said with a little bit of searching or AI.

Anyone who thinks free or open-source software is somehow providing them more privacy than proprietary systems is in for a big wake up call. The state of the code in a repo has nothing to do with how services utilizing that code gets deployed, who its deployed by, who owns the infrastructure at the particular point in time in question, etc.

Signal, or any other online service which claims to protect your anonymity is only pandering to the gullibility of the average horny john, drug dealer or dodgy character who has motive to try to hide online.

Ask yourself this: if you were a government agency that wanted to track potentially nefarious online behavior, what would be the best way to go about it? One of the oldest and most effective methods is to set up a decoy / honeypot service that goes to the greatest lengths to sell the concept of anonymity and ensure the user they're safe from prying eyes. Then, track and study everything to understand their methods and leverage their data against them later, as needed. And even beyond the threat of government decoys, there are foreign-run "free services" to fear.

Since I'm not breaking any laws by sugaring, I don't really mind the government being all up in my business as much as I do bad actors from China / Russia / India etc. , who won't hesitate to resort to future ransomware attacks.

It's best to never become naive enough to think that any form of online communication is safe from this. The notion that free and open-source software provides any sort of safety net in this area is as hilarious as it is dangerous to those who believe that.

[LambdaAb]

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...f-e561fa28dcb3 - Lexi.

This one is a scammer will ask you money when meet and take money run away with her friend.

Does anyone know anything about these? I am talking to each.

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...9-ca1710a7f63f - Brie.

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...c-dc1e258fe38e - Nadja.

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...f-e561fa28dcb3 - Lexi.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...c-22a931ede927 - erika.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...4-30de832244f6 - Grace.

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...4-1805158c7971 - Blythe.

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...6-cd4b83cc3395 - Moonlit33.

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...0-4c3eb2ef863a - Grace.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...6-de890bda9053 - Summer.

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...3-d64190e3fde5 - Pixie.

If anyone has experience or warnings let me know! I can share some back if needed, as well.