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  1. #9277
    Quote Originally Posted by BonerAppetitty  [View Original Post]
    I saw Baby Gem was leaving soon so I reviewed her that night cause I wanted to spotlight my new gem, and to be a rebel. Everyone else like other girls so I didn't expect much. So few believe me that I keep forgetting they exist.
    Today I will highlight Baby Gem, who is back until 4/27. Young and thick with GND cute face, she is a real gem - a cut above the rest. She is the crown jewel of Boner's April HYA update. A warning that HYAs have looks but can take years to develop into service queens, consider them a diamond in the rough.

    Since Baby Gem is a 3-letter name, use the CTRL+F search function of your browser to scan a page for their name. Then click on the next page and repeat, hitting ENTER to cycle through multiple hits quickly. A reminder there is another girl 'Gem' who is different than Baby Gem. Some reviews below:

    http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7243307 Baby Gem PLEASER
    http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7253706 Baby Gem PLEASER
    http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7234469 Baby Gem
    http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7251090 Baby Gem gets polished

    I want to point out that a high percentage of girls on Boner's recent update are still in town. You have to scroll down to Ariana and Baby Yooju to run into girls who are off the roster. Baby Arin, Baby Peach are in OC. Purple K is in SD.

    Baby Blue/Bora starts OC Thursday, read her review description carefully to determine if she checks your boxes. There are a few of us who love her look and giant ass, it's not for everyone. There is a new Hami who is heavily booked and a good candidate, still waiting for more confirmations. Other candidates are in town, we will have to carefully investigate.

    I've mentioned before that due to age and health I can no longer see every HYA or even close. I will never make a complete OC roster ever again for that reason alone. But I hope I could demonstrate some useful ideas and techniques to help anyone so inclined. When I aimed for HYA candidates based on intel, my misses weren't so bad. For example the worst I got were a) This girl is definitely young and cute body but butterface (3 examples come to mind) b) This girl is decent looking but 30s (I forgive her). c) This girl is young and cute but completely new and innocent with no idea what to do (instant erection). I genuinely enjoyed those borderline cases, but others may not. Most importantly, I did not see a single MILF when I carefully used intel to avoid them, but I was lucky because at the time there were about 5 other solid HYA reviewers helping me navitage the MILF minefield.

    It is up to debate, but based on multiple takes the record in OC was 13 HYA:
    http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7168497 13 HYA OC Jan 19

    They were: Gyuri, Daisy, Baby Bora (aka Baby Blue), Baby Zoey (aka Baby Aqua), Monet, Minji, Jenny, Tiffany, Hazel, Evian, Baby Moon, Baby Peach (aka Barbie). Guitar is HYA "if you like Thai", not if you don't.

    It is worth noting that some girls on the list have significantly changed appearances since that date. Just how it goes.

    Quote Originally Posted by BonerAppetitty  [View Original Post]
    So few believe me that I keep forgetting they exist.
    This can be solved with a DJI 3.

  2. #9276

    Body Fat

    Quote Originally Posted by Brandonbbfs  [View Original Post]
    Fantastic chart! I love 15-21 percent! Great options.
    Let it be known that women need to get down to 17% body fat for their abs to show. Therefore 15% is too skinny. Give me a nice 20-25%'er. She'll have some nice Tits and Ass for ya!

  3. #9275

    Chart

    Fantastic chart! I love 15-21 percent! Great options.

    Quote Originally Posted by BonerAppetitty  [View Original Post]
    I thought Yaya would be gone by now but it appears we prolong her stay a little bit more.

    Couple bros don't like her body but I clearly pointed out she was flat As. I honestly don't know what skinny fat means cause I didn't see anything fat about her. Her bod was perfectly fine to me. I am also a face over body kinda guy. If there were extra lbs there, then I didn't see them. I could pick this girl up while other Kgirls would break my back. Not the first time a bro was disappointed in me cause they thought a girl was fatter than I described. This girl is petite, just not skinny enough for some bros.

    I have no strict requirement like 15% body fat or under 90 lbs. I wouldn't mind seeing anyone in the body fat scale pic, they just need to look young and cute enough. That's why whenever I answer a question, I think they just going see a different girl but I answer anyway for someone else who gets me. If HYA Hunter is the extreme minority, then I am the extreme minority of extreme minority.

    Contact: (click here)

  4. #9274
    Quote Originally Posted by BonerAppetitty  [View Original Post]
    I thought Yaya would be gone by now but it appears we prolong her stay a little bit more.

    Couple bros don't like her body but I clearly pointed out she was flat As. I honestly don't know what skinny fat means cause I didn't see anything fat about her. Her bod was perfectly fine to me. I am also a face over body kinda guy. If there were extra lbs there, then I didn't see them. I could pick this girl up while other Kgirls would break my back. Not the first time a bro was disappointed in me cause they thought a girl was fatter than I described. This girl is petite, just not skinny enough for some bros.

    I have no strict requirement like 15% body fat or under 90 lbs. I wouldn't mind seeing anyone in the body fat scale pic, they just need to look young and cute enough. That's why whenever I answer a question, I think they just going see a different girl but I answer anyway for someone else who gets me. If HYA Hunter is the extreme minority, then I am the extreme minority of extreme minority.

    Contact: (click here)
    I like your attached charts. My preferences are from 16-20% body fat and a 7 or above in face is a HYA in book. Boner goes for the face first I prefer a fit, tight, shapely body with a better-than-average face. The better the body, the more latitude I give for her face, good service or "sex-positive" as another reviewer says must be there, or at least the potential to provide service if I can make her enjoy herself. Is my range broader than most? Does anyone else share my views?

  5. #9273

    Boner Select choices of the week

    My criteria is young, attractive altho some pre-MILFs / MILFs might caught my interest. I am face over body. My taste is extreme minority and like a yoyo. IYKYK.

    Baby Gem with Kim K butt and cute young Baby face.

    Baby Yaya J super cute young Japanese.

    Nakamura J cute young Japanese with Bush.

    Baby Jin Kpop HYA. Prettier than Heaven K and similar GFE attitude.

    Baby Angel Kpop HYA (4/15).

    Ellena / Tia (4/15).

    Nali.

    Baby Evian.

    Minji.

    Ariana.

    Baby Yooju.

    Susie K / Sochi.

    Baby Aqua / Baby Zoey (4/26).

    Lily / Zina / Remi.

    Erica / Hazel (4/14).

    Baby Arin in OC (not LA Baby Arin aka Baby Soa).

    Baby Peach / Baby Green / Barbie / Douwoo.

    Haven (4/21).

    Dana / Lynn (Vacation).

    Superstar Lucy.

    Collette.

    Baby Sugar (Vacation).

    Shani (4/15).

    Baby Cherry (4/19).

    Stella / Honey / Sweet.

    Lissom.

    Baby Eve.

    Purple K / Tiara.

  6. #9272

    🔥 🌱 🌹 Boner Certified HYA Baby Jin

    Pics: Fake. I think girl in pics is pretty cute, but Baby Jin is a lot more attractive and natural to me.

    Looks: No offense to anybody but if she seems a little plain or like the stereotypical girl you'd find at the Korean Youth Groups, then the Koreans are gate keeping Drop Dead Gorgeous girls. I don't think there are more than 5% of current girls who may be prettier than her. I think she's prettier than Heaven K.

    ZebraZebra described her best. "Definitely looks college age, long black hair and pale white skin, has more of a ABK look to her as opposed to FOB look, has nicely shaped B cups and nice big ass too on a slender skinny body. " She was not even his cup of tea and he still rated her 8 across the board. If you look at the face ranking pic, she has similar face like the 8. 5 girl. I also don't necessarily agree the 8. 7 girl is prettier than 8. 5.

    Long flowing black hair touching her ass. Beautiful slender body with nice ass. The rear view in the mirror as she blew me sensually got me a hard on. Not to mention a very pretty face looking at me and smiling sweetly in between sucking. Boner was king of the world at that moment.

    Just in case of B&S, she has a big black birthmark or bruise about 2 quarters length on her right butt cheek. She also has a beauty mark or black mole below her left bottom lip. Nothing that detracts from her beauty to me.

    English: I am not Casanova. There were no need for words.

    Attitude: Like a girlfriend welcoming her boyfriend back for the honeymoon. She reminded me of Heaven K in the way she was so GFE as she greeted me. So sensual! It reminded me of the good old days when the Kgirls were good and made me thought I was the gift.

    Service: Heaven K had better service and more of a nympho than her. I don't remember her refusing anything except FIV. I didn't notice the blocking, but she was kinda inflexible in mish and I wasn't able to fully penetrate. I wasn't bothered by that but from another POV, that would seem like blocking. I just switched position to penetrate all the way as I liked. I don't think she can take the pounding for long tho.

    Expense: 350/ hr. She has 100/ BBFSCIP option.

    Repeat: Yes, for her looks. She may get better with repeat and if I am fully prepare the Boner for her.

    Contact: (click here) Early to mid 20,5'3", natural 32 B, 98 lbs.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeedAheRealBad  [View Original Post]
    B Jin was. Not great. Might've got b&s but can't tell.

    P- Fake.

    L- Young but average. She seemed a little plain to me, like the stereotypical girl you'll find at the korean youth groups. Body is thin but not the kind you get by working out.

    E- Average for a kgirl. Her pronunciation of the usual pleasantries may fool you into thinking she's fluent but anything more complicated takes a bit with her.

    A- A little aloof. I don't know if we just didn't connect or if she's like this with everyone.

    S- She definitely knows how to be sensual as she'll whisper in your ear for the greeting and goodbye. But that's all you get. Shower was half assed and would've been better if I just showered myself. No DFK, only pecks and then sticks her tongue out for a bit but for the most part turns away. Uses a ton of lube. I'm also not big by any means but she was using her legs to block. She's receptive enough to direction but will refuse if she doesn't want to do it. Definitely felt worse than j girl service.

    E- 350 + add one.

    Are- No. I am usually ok with subpar service for HYA but this was not it.
    Quote Originally Posted by ZebraZebra  [View Original Post]
    Just saw Baby Jin. Definitely looks college age, long black hair and pale white skin, has more of a ABK look to her as opposed to FOB look, has nicely shaped B cups and nice big ass too on a slender skinny body. Probably no repeat for me as she's not exactly my cup of tea but definitely recommend.

    Face: 8.

    Body: 8.

    Service: 8.

    Attitude: 8.

  7. #9271
    Quote Originally Posted by BonerAppetitty  [View Original Post]
    I thought Yaya would be gone by now but it appears we prolong her stay a little bit more.

    Couple bros don't like her body but I clearly pointed out she was flat As. I honestly don't know what skinny fat means cause I didn't see anything fat about her. Her bod was perfectly fine to me. I am also a face over body kinda guy. If there were extra lbs there, then I didn't see them. I could pick this girl up while other Kgirls would break my back. Not the first time a bro was disappointed in me cause they thought a girl was fatter than I described. This girl is petite, just not skinny enough for some bros.

    I have no strict requirement like 15% body fat or under 90 lbs. I wouldn't mind seeing anyone in the body fat scale pic, they just need to look young and cute enough. That's why whenever I answer a question, I think they just going see a different girl but I answer anyway for someone else who gets me. If HYA Hunter is the extreme minority, then I am the extreme minority of extreme minority.

    Contact: (click here)
    Oof, the 6 (above average) already looks smashing to me LOL.

  8. #9270
    Quote Originally Posted by CreamFire  [View Original Post]
    I'm starting to see the trend of gate keepers after being here long enough. When I used to be one of the first reviewers for a new girl, it would be followed up with some bad reviews. The funny part is, the good reviews would follow up a few weeks later when they are almost or already gone. I don't always make an accurate assessment but the gaslighting have reached a point where I started to doubt my ability to review girls. I'm just going to keep reviewing to the best I can and if someone disagrees with it, then yaya so what?
    I've often been first reviewer and can explain your first point. It's simple and I'll give different examples I've encountered.

    First there are some looks over service girls that service hunters should never see. But then they see a bunch of good reviews, their will wavers, and service hunters ignore the obvious warning signs and see them anyways. It's called FAFO, they know they are service hunters but forget. 1 out of 3 of them see the upside and say "She is beautiful, I don't usually see girls for looks but it is a refreshing break since I'm usually getting service girls. Now I'm back to service queens but I guess if you are a looks hunter go see her." 2 out of 3 say "She is beautiful, but she has no service and sucks I wasted my money this is the worst experience I've had in a long time". I could give pages and pages of examples of this. Someday you will realize this too, service hunters must have service no matter what. This is why Florida AMPs are full of GILFs I am not exaggerating I posted proof via news article showing their faces.

    Second there are dealbreakers. I have reviewed a specific girl and the positive reviews were about 80%. Of the negative reviews, all of them said either "She is too skinny" or "She looks too young". Cool! Many of the things we like about a girl, are the exact opposite things that other guys hate.

    With Jira, she had an even higher rate of positive reviews. She was a HYA down with anything, horny, did rimming, always down with msog. However the number one complaint was she was A or AA cup. Her ad photos showed a PS'd B cup. So in every single mention of Jira after that, I started pointing out she was A / AA cup. Naturally, people on USAG stopped walking in blind not knowing that. There ended up being tons of reviews of her on multiple sites and she was on long tour, so basically there was no longer any toftt. Guys going in were either repeats or seeing her on reading reviews. There were no longer "must have boob" guys walking in on her and commenting on it. Last I last checked, her three lowest TER reviews all said they would repeat her. There were even multiple guys who said they didn't like small boobs, but they were willing to make an exception on everything else being there.

    Last, when I see guys over-hyping a HYA, especially if it may border on objectively inaccurate, I'll add my take. Generally I accept other people's opinions unless it's a possible B+S happening, but I try to set realistic expectations. We all know the jgirl vs kgirl gap, so when guys like us show love for jgirls it's natural for some guys to want to even it out. It actually does the girl a service, because we don't want kgirl fans to walk in to see a jgirl without knowing the difference. They might think "This is the best jgirl, so she can't be disappointing right?" It turns out, even a top tier jgirl can disappoint kgirl lovers, because what makes her top tier tends to be looks and charm, not service and worship. Hope that makes sense.

    Guys are basically interpreting good reviews as "good for me" which is always wrong. For example, if a GILF got a ton of good reviews, I would never imagine that makes any difference to me. Would you? Yet most mongers, they haven't realized that logic yet. They have not yet learned how to check for dealbreakers, because that comes with experience. That is why I always try to list dealbreakers, to speed up the FAFO process.

    Quote Originally Posted by EleanorShell  [View Original Post]
    Who is the C-org girl you are talking about and with which agency?
    Every time she works for a korg, I review her. I myself cannot get into a corg without favors and she charges double there anyways, so I don't recommend them.

  9. #9269

    Yaya I'm with you

    I'm starting to see the trend of gate keepers after being here long enough. When I used to be one of the first reviewers for a new girl, it would be followed up with some bad reviews. The funny part is, the good reviews would follow up a few weeks later when they are almost or already gone. I don't always make an accurate assessment but the gaslighting have reached a point where I started to doubt my ability to review girls. I'm just going to keep reviewing to the best I can and if someone disagrees with it, then yaya so what?


    Quote Originally Posted by BonerAppetitty  [View Original Post]
    I thought Yaya would be gone by now but it appears we prolong her stay a little bit more.

    Couple bros don't like her body but I clearly pointed out she was flat As. I honestly don't know what skinny fat means cause I didn't see anything fat about her. Her bod was perfectly fine to me. I am also a face over body kinda guy. If there were extra lbs there, then I didn't see them. I could pick this girl up while other Kgirls would break my back. Not the first time a bro was disappointed in me cause they thought a girl was fatter than I described. This girl is petite, just not skinny enough for some bros.

    I have no strict requirement like 15% body fat or under 90 lbs. I wouldn't mind seeing anyone in the body fat scale pic, they just need to look young and cute enough. That's why whenever I answer a question, I think they just going see a different girl but I answer anyway for someone else who gets me. If HYA Hunter is the extreme minority, then I am the extreme minority of extreme minority.

    Contact: (click here)

  10. #9268

    Boners Squad, we did it for Yaya!

    I thought Yaya would be gone by now but it appears we prolong her stay a little bit more.

    Couple bros don't like her body but I clearly pointed out she was flat As. I honestly don't know what skinny fat means cause I didn't see anything fat about her. Her bod was perfectly fine to me. I am also a face over body kinda guy. If there were extra lbs there, then I didn't see them. I could pick this girl up while other Kgirls would break my back. Not the first time a bro was disappointed in me cause they thought a girl was fatter than I described. This girl is petite, just not skinny enough for some bros.

    I have no strict requirement like 15% body fat or under 90 lbs. I wouldn't mind seeing anyone in the body fat scale pic, they just need to look young and cute enough. That's why whenever I answer a question, I think they just going see a different girl but I answer anyway for someone else who gets me. If HYA Hunter is the extreme minority, then I am the extreme minority of extreme minority.

    Contact: (click here)

    Quote Originally Posted by BonerAppetitty  [View Original Post]
    Yea sometimes I saw the hottest or prettiest girl but if you blinked you would miss her review. I like to wait a little to see who will be the first to write glowing review of my new fave. I need to know who will join the elite Boners Squad to break down all the gates. We are the underdog. 300 Spartans against the huge Private Gate army.

    Not my fault if a girl leaves before I can review her. I hint when I have time even tho I prolly be ignored like a shill. It's the Gatekeeping community choice to let HYA leaves early and never comes back.

    Boners Squad, when we see girls, we Bone & Spread. When we see gates, we Burst & Share. We get no perks other than the joy of Boning & Spreading.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Face_Rank_1.jpg‎   Body_Fat_Rank_2.jpg‎  

  11. #9267

    Nakamura J is in the Bush league

    I like to be addressed as The Boner. Baby Iroha only planned to be here for 4 days then go work for other orgs. No idea where she is and you may not like her anyway since nobody talked about her.

    Luckily, Nakamura J is the Return of The Bush. Search for her name in this thread for other reviews. I can't confirm if it will be The Bald Empire Strikes Back cause I have yet to see her again.

    Contact: (click here)

    Quote Originally Posted by Paspartu74  [View Original Post]
    Hi BonerAppetitty and Fellow mongers.

    Any info with which c-org (s) is Baby Iroha? The Bush is kinda intriguing for a change.

    Thanks!!
    Quote Originally Posted by BonerAppetitty  [View Original Post]
    I might not have come if I think she looks like the pics showing teeth. Those pics clearly had a lot of weird P.S. And filter. The second attached pic looked like real selfie, and the first pic on bed looked like she might give this D. O. G a boner and so I came. The first pic is the fairest depiction of her. She did give me a boner without even touching it.

    I love civie-type experience and there was no blocking or any restriction at all. I am also not Darth Boner. She creamed so much from DATY that I would slurp it all up if I wasn't worried there might be some residue creampies. I don't think the cream was from bros before me. Her Bush is not like a jungle either, more like a flat layer of trimmed hair.

  12. #9266
    Hi BonerAppetitty and Fellow mongers.

    Any info with which c-org (s) is Baby Iroha? The Bush is kinda intriguing for a change.

    Thanks!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BonerAppetitty  [View Original Post]
    My criteria is young, attractive altho some pre-MILFs / MILFs might caught my interest. Not like I think anybody care about Boner Certified girls but it may give a safety net for a few bros who are not in private groups.

    Baby Gem with Kim K butt and cute young Baby face.

    Baby Yaya J super cute young Japanese.

    Baby Iroha J youngest, cute, shy Japanese with Bush. Fake pics, same hair style. Bed pic similar body type. Tall 5'6" B cups. OG Boner felt a little guilty of his loli complex. Boner hentai!

    Baby Jin Kpop HYA. Prettier than Heaven K and similar GFE attitude.

    Angel Kpop HYA.

    Ellena / Tia.

    Nali.

  13. #9265
    Quote Originally Posted by DownloadX  [View Original Post]
    Now, I'll talk about premium girls but leave out the names. Within corgs, I know a girl who charges double base rate there, and she is double upcharge on everything. 600 per hr, 200 for bb, and even other options. She is wildly popular and people count the days for her return. A few of the richer regulars buy her very nice things out of appreciation, she is a good and amazing girl. However, she never stays at a corg more than a week or two, she knows for a fact the interest goes to a trickle. Just to be clear, to her 10-12 customers a day is her goal, and she gets it because there's no other girl like her. If you have seen her you would understand why. It is not like she could charge less to make more money, because she is close to max appointments.

    For the other 95% of girls, they can't go premium. There is always a cheaper and better girl. It is hard for any OC girl to compete against Viki and Krissy for value for example. Those girls including Jenny are not at the top of most guys' list, yet they are girls some guys are repeating 5 or 10 times easily due to value. They are young enough for most HYA hunters..
    Who is the C-org girl you are talking about and with which agency?

  14. #9264

    Upsell

    Quote Originally Posted by SsStuntCock  [View Original Post]
    Oh wow. I never cared enough to repeat with her, but I'll take that as a win, considering how volatile the SoCal market is.

    As the kids say, OG Jamie ran, so Freesia could fly.
    If these girls knew how much upselling limits many of them wouldn't charge and would keep a base of regular clients 5 x larger. The girl I repeated the most, besides being very beautiful and having spectacular service, what made me want to come back again and again was the fact that she didn't charge upselling on subsequent visits. If I only paid the base for full service, it was hard for me to want to see another girl. I really liked some girls but it was only once and I did it because I preferred to see a new girl because of the upselling. And there were girls I saw and didn't like as much but I repeated them because she offered the full service and didn't charge the upsell. Jenny OC and Krissy OC are BB girls, even if they were in LA I would repeat them often instead of seeing other upsells. But if they charged the upsell I wouldn't repeat them.

  15. #9263
    Quote Originally Posted by SsStuntCock  [View Original Post]
    Oh wow. I never cared enough to repeat with her, but I'll take that as a win, considering how volatile the SoCal market is.

    As the kids say, OG Jamie ran, so Freesia could fly.
    Several girls have dropped their upcharge, it is a trend. This is a price and economy post, so just ignore if you don't want to hear financial forecasts on kgirl pricing.

    There is an increase in bb special and half upcharge girls these days. Price drops were most noticeable starting 2 years ago in SD, and now a majority of SD girls are 340 bb-inclusive (most of the rest are GFE). It was mainly two agencies (out of four) which kept growing market share, but then a third agency finally price matched. The same thing happened in OC but was less noticeable simply because it was also two agencies but there are way more other agencies.

    I say this to give hope, that over time LA prices will improve following the same pattern. There are even 320 bb-inclusive girls including one who is top tier. Some of these girls rotate, with Viki and Krissy being recent transfers to OC. In the same way, just recently Jiyoung and Lena are touring OC. I posted intel on them, they are 350. I also mention Sophia who is 320. If these girls continue to be popular, then they will become the norm again.
    http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7252931 OC bb-special service queens

    I'll now talk about upcharge girls. Some popular girls on a short tour don't have trouble going full upcharge or even double upcharge because of the FOMO, rich guys, and "must have new girl" crowd. It's fair for them to charge more if there is that level of interest. The same goes true for girls working only 2 days a week or 10 days a month. Certain girls even limit it to about 6 slots a day. Although I don't like paying more by itself, limiting slots per day is smart and good for the customer. But for girls in the long-run, they must either be budget friendly or go tour. They simply make more money lowering prices or changing cities, but it is more work too.

    Now, I'll talk about premium girls but leave out the names. Within corgs, I know a girl who charges double base rate there, and she is double upcharge on everything. 600 per hr, 200 for bb, and even other options. She is wildly popular and people count the days for her return. A few of the richer regulars buy her very nice things out of appreciation, she is a good and amazing girl. However, she never stays at a corg more than a week or two, she knows for a fact the interest goes to a trickle. Just to be clear, to her 10-12 customers a day is her goal, and she gets it because there's no other girl like her. If you have seen her you would understand why. It is not like she could charge less to make more money, because she is close to max appointments.

    For the other 95% of girls, they can't go premium. There is always a cheaper and better girl. It is hard for any OC girl to compete against Viki and Krissy for value for example. Those girls including Jenny are not at the top of most guys' list, yet they are girls some guys are repeating 5 or 10 times easily due to value. They are young enough for most HYA hunters.

    Average prices everywhere have been dropping at korgs and even strip clubs. When I go to strip clubs, I see that the clubs have fewer customers too. So every club I go to has lowered their cover fee, for example 20 to 10, 20 to 15. Along these lines, many cities have seen a decline in business. People are being more price conscious again.

    Outside of strip clubs, we see with korgs that full upcharge girls are going half or no upcharge. Half upcharge is becoming a lot more common.

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