Korean Agency BB

[LabiaFedora]

Aaaaah. I misunderstood and thought that she miscounted and tried to say you were short on the donation. My fault. Regardless if they may read in Kanji or Hanja or whatever, they still count Arabic numerals. And unless she was trying to convert Pesos over to dollars, the count should have been correct. Asking for a tip up front screams Mainland China tho.

Hahah nope, donation was spot on, I am like a Lannister from GoT.

Chinese was what I gathered from my assessment of that session. At least she was seen prior to the retaliatory 34% tariff!

[LabiaFedora]

Perhaps I'm being misunderstood. On most Korg sites, the explicit fees for GFE or BBFS are laid out (pun fully intended). For example, it might be $380 GFE and add another Benji for BBFS. You know the pricing, and you pay accordingly. Which I do. But I've never paid an additional tip for Korging, nor would I, because there's no need. Yup, the Korg MO is very different from AMPs, which are mostely Chinese, and I like it that way. Similarily like leasing cars, which I prefer to do over buying. In the past, negotiation was everything, but now a number of brands have a set, non-negotiable price. Sure, I can, and do, negotiate for related perks, but these days I prefer to just have a set, non-negotiable price and budget accordingly.

Therefore, going into my playtime, I already know the cost (as do all of you), and lay the payment on the nightstand. Good to go and easy peasy.

Yeah definitely. Just never been my style but everyone has their comfort zone. Have heard that some providers provide "lazier" service after donation is out of the way, but I am sure the contrary occurs too. That is why it is so subjective to the experiences of the personnel involved, monger or provider equally so. Some donate first just because the provider asking for the donation up front ruins their experience. The smarter bookers give the girls a heads up about the monger / appointment / donation, which can ease and help these unnecessary outcomes.

Not only is tipping frowned upon for market purposes, but we are already paying a premium for Korgs which is, or used to be, much more obvious for its convenience and quality service as opposed to AMPs. This is the exact reason I still occasionally hit up local AMPs to assess the competition and continue to compare. Its bad news when I get the same quality at these AAMPS LOL. Some Korgs are getting sloppy and it is beginning to show.

[Sticker]

There was a time in this forum where tipping was purposely discouraged, especially given recent market and price changes, so to be requested of a tip prior to the session even starting was beyond me, and I am by no means a pioneer of a monger, simultaneously I am also no newbie.

Perhaps I'm being misunderstood. On most Korg sites, the explicit fees for GFE or BBFS are laid out (pun fully intended). For example, it might be $380 GFE and add another Benji for BBFS. You know the pricing, and you pay accordingly. Which I do. But I've never paid an additional tip for Korging, nor would I, because there's no need. Yup, the Korg MO is very different from AMPs, which are mostely Chinese, and I like it that way. Similarily like leasing cars, which I prefer to do over buying. In the past, negotiation was everything, but now a number of brands have a set, non-negotiable price. Sure, I can, and do, negotiate for related perks, but these days I prefer to just have a set, non-negotiable price and budget accordingly.

Therefore, going into my playtime, I already know the cost (as do all of you), and lay the payment on the nightstand. Good to go and easy peasy.

[Big Zhang Mang]

Sure thing, whatever floats your boat. Just not my usual thing since I always donate at the end. I'm not an accountant nor a bank teller LOL and some of these girls aren't even that familiar with the currency and just take it at face value.

Therefore to be asked for a tip before the session even starts honestly just proves my point even more.

Doubt many here would agree that it's better to count it out than just placing it somewhere safe, for obvious reasons. And the issue wasn't a miscount, it was the "tip" convo right after, in English, as if I hadn't paid. That's what felt unprofessional.

As for looks yeah, she was cute, but not cute enough for me to look past such annoyance prior to starting the session.

Aaaaah. I misunderstood and thought that she miscounted and tried to say you were short on the donation. My fault. Regardless if they may read in Kanji or Hanja or whatever, they still count Arabic numerals. And unless she was trying to convert Pesos over to dollars, the count should have been correct. Asking for a tip up front screams Mainland China tho.

[LabiaFedora]

To each his own, of course, but I've no issues with paying up front. In fact, when I first started K-orging last June, the nanakgirls (defunct now) booker asked me to put the donation on the girls nightstand upon my arrival. Since the payment is predetermined for services rendered, the girl sees my donation (some count it, some don't), and we're off to the races without her having any doubt about being paid. Even now that I use different bookers, I still follow that MO, and I've never had issues with a girl questioning me about payment. I like getting that out of the way at the outset, and I keep having good to great experiences with the many kgirls that I've seen in the last nine months.

Yes to each their own comfort. This reiterates the dialogue of up-charges and why I think donating at the end is best. It would be awkward to donate up front for MSOG only to not be able to get off 2 pops or even change your mind, meanwhile the girl already stashed the deposit. Whereas, to donate at the end you can do so whatever you decide be it MSOG / BB etc. Regardless, the ones who try to be deceiving whether its provider asking for a tip up front or the monger who tries to get away with donating less just ruins it for everyone else. This is where professionalism on the booker / owner comes in and granted there are different bookers sometimes communicating and some make it more obvious than others. For all I know the booker could have been trying to manipulate and gas light but they were understanding after the fact.

No big deal, I could have easily just left and honestly was about to before the session even started given the awkwardness. This experience is not the norm but proves just as mongers can make the environment more comfortable for the provider, the provider can do the same. With enough experience you can see past the facade some put up. But this experience is a rarity and another reason I thought beneficial to share.

There was a time in this forum where tipping was purposely discouraged, especially given recent market and price changes, so to be requested of a tip prior to the session even starting was beyond me, and I am by no means a pioneer of a monger, simultaneously I am also no newbie.

[Sticker]

Outside of the kgirl scene, it is universally accepted and is the norm to pay upfront. This has been SOP since I've dipped my toes into P4 P. It was just that the kgirl model provided a safe and secure setting and relied on a gentleman's agreement to pay the appropriate donation after the fact. This has changed in recent years from what I've observed. For one thing, more unscrupulous mongers could be taking advantage of the system and not paying, shorting, or using fake bills. But I think the main factor in the change is the ubiquity of the upcharge system. Girls now need to ascertain what services you want from them so they can prepare and provide accordingly.

To each his own, of course, but I've no issues with paying up front. In fact, when I first started K-orging last June, the nanakgirls (defunct now) booker asked me to put the donation on the girls nightstand upon my arrival. Since the payment is predetermined for services rendered, the girl sees my donation (some count it, some don't), and we're off to the races without her having any doubt about being paid. Even now that I use different bookers, I still follow that MO, and I've never had issues with a girl questioning me about payment. I like getting that out of the way at the outset, and I keep having good to great experiences with the many kgirls that I've seen in the last nine months.

[LabiaFedora]

You can probably spark better accountability and honesty by naming who you saw and thought to be pretending to be a kgirl and probably the booker too. Bait and switches are known to happen and this could be what happened to you. Sorry you had to go through that. I know how it sucks first hand.

On the other hand, I personally wouldn't find girls speaking multiple languages too surprising. For those in this line of business for the long haul, picking up a language, even if only the necessary bits and pieces to get the business end done, makes for a smoother and less confusion-ridden affair. Many have done stints in China and Japan before coming here. That said, bouncing between languages is unusual. The proper approach would be to determine what the customer is most comfortable with and stick to it, in this case most likely English.

On the topic of donation upfront, I explained this in the past but I'll rehash it here. Outside of the kgirl scene, it is universally accepted and is the norm to pay upfront. This has been SOP since I've dipped my toes into P4 P. It was just that the kgirl model provided a safe and secure setting and relied on a gentleman's agreement to pay the appropriate donation after the fact. This has changed in recent years from what I've observed. For one thing, more unscrupulous mongers could be taking advantage of the system and not paying, shorting, or using fake bills. But I think the main factor in the change is the ubiquity of the upcharge system. Girls now need to ascertain what services you want from them so they can prepare and provide accordingly.

Yes, I agree that asking for a tip at the outset is unprofessional but it could be that she doesn't understand how the tipping culture works here in the states. Don't attribute to malice that which can be adequately be explained by ignorance (stupidity).

I'm curious who you saw that is portrayed as a kgirl but isn't Korean. From my experience, most bookers are very good at marking non-koreans in their own way.

It looks to be that there's been a built up of frustration and mounting disappoint with kgirls in general that finally erupted with this incident. Do what you need to unwind and re-center yourself.

Important to note I also think the whole "don't attribute to malice" thing only goes so far, especially when you're dealing with experienced providers who know how the system works. This wasn't a new girl.

As for the non-Korean comment, I hear you but let's be real too, I think we all know the marketing doesn't always match reality in this scene, and it's definitely becoming more noticeable. That's not just a personal eruption on my end, that's a pattern I (and others for that matter) have started seeing more often.

Nonetheless, I do appreciate your tone and taking the time to respond. Not trying to stir drama, just sharing what a lot of folks are probably experiencing quietly, especially with the PMs I see.

[LabiaFedora]

Always count the money before you hand it in. Bank, McDonald's, Starbuck's, even the fuckin' street taco vendor! Always, always, always, count that shit before you hand it over. Even if you're 1,000 % sure how much you got. It's not to reassure yourself, but make sure you confirm with the payee how much is there and the amount for services is correct. Ain't no shame in that. Hand it to the girl with both hands as a sign of respect. That'll go a long way with them. BTW who was the girl? Was she hot?

Sure thing, whatever floats your boat. Just not my usual thing since I always donate at the end. I'm not an accountant nor a bank teller LOL and some of these girls aren't even that familiar with the currency and just take it at face value.

Therefore to be asked for a tip before the session even starts honestly just proves my point even more.

Doubt many here would agree that it's better to count it out than just placing it somewhere safe, for obvious reasons. And the issue wasn't a miscount, it was the "tip" convo right after, in English, as if I hadn't paid. That's what felt unprofessional.

As for looks yeah, she was cute, but not cute enough for me to look past such annoyance prior to starting the session.

[LabiaFedora]

You can probably spark better accountability and honesty by naming who you saw and thought to be pretending to be a kgirl and probably the booker too. Bait and switches are known to happen and this could be what happened to you. Sorry you had to go through that. I know how it sucks first hand.

On the other hand, I personally wouldn't find girls speaking multiple languages too surprising. For those in this line of business for the long haul, picking up a language, even if only the necessary bits and pieces to get the business end done, makes for a smoother and less confusion-ridden affair. Many have done stints in China and Japan before coming here. That said, bouncing between languages is unusual. The proper approach would be to determine what the customer is most comfortable with and stick to it, in this case most likely English.

On the topic of donation upfront, I explained this in the past but I'll rehash it here. Outside of the kgirl scene, it is universally accepted and is the norm to pay upfront. This has been SOP since I've dipped my toes into P4 P. It was just that the kgirl model provided a safe and secure setting and relied on a gentleman's agreement to pay the appropriate donation after the fact. This has changed in recent years from what I've observed. For one thing, more unscrupulous mongers could be taking advantage of the system and not paying, shorting, or using fake bills. But I think the main factor in the change is the ubiquity of the upcharge system. Girls now need to ascertain what services you want from them so they can prepare and provide accordingly.

Yes, I agree that asking for a tip at the outset is unprofessional but it could be that she doesn't understand how the tipping culture works here in the states. Don't attribute to malice that which can be adequately be explained by ignorance (stupidity).

I'm curious who you saw that is portrayed as a kgirl but isn't Korean. From my experience, most bookers are very good at marking non-koreans in their own way.

It looks to be that there's been a built up of frustration and mounting disappoint with kgirls in general that finally erupted with this incident. Do what you need to unwind and re-center yourself.

Appreciate the response, you're totally right that there might have been a slow buildup to hit this level of disappointment, but this very reason is I have had booker / owner in the past make up for such awkward encounters and after going through multiple experiences of schedule changes and accommodations did not think this experience was very fair on my end to experience. And then bookers try to say there is no preferential treatment among clientele – not the case as I have had slots "open" for me when a popular girls schedule was fully booked, but I digress.

I agree with you on the multilingualism and the changing dynamics in the hobby, and this is bigger than me or you or these experiences, sure, but having said that, asking for a tip up front after saying I already paid — in English — didn't feel like a language issue in the moment. It felt like weird pressure, almost a negotiation!

I didn't name names this time because I don't want to come off as vindictive, and I have a warning on my account for "drama" posts risking deletion, so feel free PMing me if you really want the info / details. I also am at the point where if this could benefit someone else than I think it is worth risking so was going to post a thorough review of the experience after. I do think being vague can still spark enough internal accountability for those who need it. I appreciate your thoughts though, truly. This kind of back-and-forth is why I posted in the first place.

[Download X]

Viki will start OC tomorrow. She is 300 hh / 340 hr bb inclusive. If you need bb, a 350+100 girl would be 32% more expensive to put that into context. Even if you don't see bb inclusive girls, they keep prices down.

Viki - Petite body, C cup MMs, round ass, body feels great, GND face, body over face, tanned, deepthroats, playful, good attitude, good style, decent English. Her body looks and feels great, it is a good view in the mirror as she does bbbj. She can go a long time with good technique. Her body is small and ass is round, good skin feels tight. Hair dyed brown. I would guess 30s. Bb inclusive rate.

See link for an alternate ad of her, it is close with the usual PS. Xoxo, Get9, Booker Gray, and Top will book Viki. Technically, SSG will book Viki too. I assume all veterans know how to book, unfortunately no one can help beginners with screening. If things are too easy and lazy people join in, it will be Sawtelle again. Excerpted from:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7196740 Viki

By the way, Viki is an SSG girl touring in SD. Every SSG girl has solid service. As in, they are professionally trained on their routine and skills.

Another 340 hr bb inclusive girl is Krissy:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...sy#post7229425 Krissy

[Randy62]

Cuban Betty was one of the first Latinas to work at a KOrg. Her service is almost on par with the KGirls. Have seen her many times and is still a favorite.

I concur and she is most cetainly not in her 50's. . Easily early 40's for sure.

[SCJohn]

Posting this here since she's on several Korg rosters. The pics are her with the topless school girl outfit being very accurate. She's in her 40's / maybe early 50's but goddamn her body is still fire. She has a PSE routine that includes a bit of FBSM. Her DT game is damn good, particularly in the Tom-Segura-69-from-the-bottom-fight-for-life position. Opted for Greek and she let me go to poundtown once she got warmed up.

I think she's CIMWS-friendly. I say "think" because while I was punching her fartbox from K9, she turned back and begged for me to CIM so she could swallow. Welp, that unexpectedly pushed me over the edge and I CIA'd instead. I didn't have the extra 50 for MSOG or else I would have taken her up on her offer.

Cuban Betty was one of the first Latinas to work at a KOrg. Her service is almost on par with the KGirls. Have seen her many times and is still a favorite.

[Resilient John]

Had a session with a supposed K-girl who switched from Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and broken english throughout the session which already raised eyebrows. I usually donate at the end but this time I did so up front. She then claims she miscounted and shortly after asks for a "tip" even though I had clearly already given the full amount thru cash / booker. The combo just killed the vibe for me. She then tried to do damage control but honestly just became awkward and couldn't wait to leave.

I have been generous / respectful over the years but moments like this makes me think that kindness gets mistaken for weakness. To be frank, I am starting to really see that not every K girl is even korean. I get that its marketing. But the inauthenticity shows and it matters.

Think I will be taking a break from the hobby for a bit. The transparency I used to consistently receive just isn't there lately. This experience is also a reminder of why I usually wait to donate at the end. I tried to make the environment a safe space with up front donation but this was one of those times it completely backfired.

Just thought I would share to give others a heads up and spark some more accountability and honesty in the scene. At the very least, asking for a "tip" up front is pretty unprofessional dare I say highly inappropriate.

You can probably spark better accountability and honesty by naming who you saw and thought to be pretending to be a kgirl and probably the booker too. Bait and switches are known to happen and this could be what happened to you. Sorry you had to go through that. I know how it sucks first hand.

On the other hand, I personally wouldn't find girls speaking multiple languages too surprising. For those in this line of business for the long haul, picking up a language, even if only the necessary bits and pieces to get the business end done, makes for a smoother and less confusion-ridden affair. Many have done stints in China and Japan before coming here. That said, bouncing between languages is unusual. The proper approach would be to determine what the customer is most comfortable with and stick to it, in this case most likely English.

On the topic of donation upfront, I explained this in the past but I'll rehash it here. Outside of the kgirl scene, it is universally accepted and is the norm to pay upfront. This has been SOP since I've dipped my toes into P4 P. It was just that the kgirl model provided a safe and secure setting and relied on a gentleman's agreement to pay the appropriate donation after the fact. This has changed in recent years from what I've observed. For one thing, more unscrupulous mongers could be taking advantage of the system and not paying, shorting, or using fake bills. But I think the main factor in the change is the ubiquity of the upcharge system. Girls now need to ascertain what services you want from them so they can prepare and provide accordingly.

Yes, I agree that asking for a tip at the outset is unprofessional but it could be that she doesn't understand how the tipping culture works here in the states. Don't attribute to malice that which can be adequately be explained by ignorance (stupidity).

I'm curious who you saw that is portrayed as a kgirl but isn't Korean. From my experience, most bookers are very good at marking non-koreans in their own way.

It looks to be that there's been a built up of frustration and mounting disappoint with kgirls in general that finally erupted with this incident. Do what you need to unwind and re-center yourself.

[OCanon]

Got to see Yani who looks new to OC K-org scene. New from Seoul. Pics are intriguing but definitely not her. I'd say 5'5" 110 lbs B cup all natural. Nice ass with toned legs. Mid-late 20's. GND all natural no make-up look. Smooth, soft skin. Body was generally petite but not overly toned. Again ass was great which made for nice doggy. Overall looks though maybe a 6/7. She definitely doesn't qualify as HYA but maybe some would say CYA. She was pleasant enough and went thru the normal routines. Almost no english though so lost a little bit of fun banter that I have with some other K-girls that have some English. Service was OK / good. BBBJ was fun as she had good eye contact and a unique sucking technique but never got past 3/4 hard. Standard missionary / doggie. Nice mirror dual eye contact on doggie which is always fun. Was engaged but don't think she would qualify as service queen. Overall, OK but would not repeat myself.

[BB4Lyfe]

Posting this here since she's on several Korg rosters. The pics are her with the topless school girl outfit being very accurate. She's in her 40's / maybe early 50's but goddamn her body is still fire. She has a PSE routine that includes a bit of FBSM. Her DT game is damn good, particularly in the Tom-Segura-69-from-the-bottom-fight-for-life position. Opted for Greek and she let me go to poundtown once she got warmed up.

I think she's CIMWS-friendly. I say "think" because while I was punching her fartbox from K9, she turned back and begged for me to CIM so she could swallow. Welp, that unexpectedly pushed me over the edge and I CIA'd instead. I didn't have the extra 50 for MSOG or else I would have taken her up on her offer.