I haven't been following this close enough, but I am curious. Does that mean a burner phone might have helped? Or were they able to identify those dudes through other methods?
Will PM. A burner phone would have helped a lot and made every difference, for reasons I won't go into in detail. Efficiency and nail that sticks out. I did sum up the entire sentiment in my previous post, it is about setting an example they don't want to clog up the courts so it's all about picking and choosing. The system is results driven, once they get results they move on. With streetwalkers for example, there's a reason they focus on them and certain areas but not others. It's smart and practical. It makes people happy.
If it makes you feel better, in the Boston case, only 28 people were charged out of 6000 clients, because they were caught on surveillance camera going in and out of provider's apartment. Not because of the verification they sent.
"Lt. Cabral read out pertinent details of the police report and indicated that the police identified their suspects by matching phone numbers that communicated with a "brothel phone" that was searched on a federal warrant...
I haven't been following this close enough, but I am curious. Does that mean a burner phone might have helped? Or were they able to identify those dudes through other methods?
To add to this, it was a federal investigation since it crossed state lines. However since simple prostitution is legal federally (ex: 10 out of 17 counties of Nevada allow it) they focused on the business and handed their "leftover" evidence to the state prosecutors of MA and VA. MA chose to pursue 28 cases, whereas the VA district attorney held a brief press conference saying they would not pursue any cases. As you say, luck indeed.
I just moved here from NYC, nowadays in flushing you got corg people waving you into the shop like it is Tobita Shinchi or something LOL.
If it makes you feel better, in the Boston case, only 28 people were charged out of 6000 clients, because they were caught on surveillance camera going in and out of provider's apartment. Not because of the verification they sent.
To add to this, it was a federal investigation since it crossed state lines. However since simple prostitution is legal federally (ex: 10 out of 17 counties of Nevada allow it) they focused on the business and handed their "leftover" evidence to the state prosecutors of MA and VA. MA chose to pursue 28 cases, whereas the VA district attorney held a brief press conference saying they would not pursue any cases. As you say, luck indeed.
A prosecutor's job is always to pick and choose which cases to dedicate resources on, as you point out even in the MA case 28 was their limit to set an example. There are parallels with marijuana which is the reverse legal situation being illegal federally but legal at the state level - so in the exact same way as VA the federal government has decided not to pursue cases that are legal locally. It's official policy. That mirrors Manhattan's policy here:
Manhattan's official policy is "my body is my business" and years ago they even retroactively dismissed all cases, reversing cases dating back decades. It is quasi-legal the same way weed is quasi-legal. http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7141193 Long rant comparing cities
Same situation with strip clubs in COI. They get raided every 5 years for drugs and illegal weapons, but not the harmless fun. Whereas in SD, the police were so embarrassed and fined so hard by the judge over Cheetah's that they have not shown their faces in a very long time. Things at Cheetah's are better than ever. Normal police are happy to join in and get LDKs like everyone else, most of them get that it's pretty mild stuff anyways when there are literal streetwalkers in downtown. What happens in practice is periodically the police chief picks a target and everyone has to do their job. But I will straight up say they are going to pick a different target next time, they want results not more embarrassment.
San Diego clubs have a funnier story. Cops won't even touch Cheetah's anymore out of embarrassment being dressed down in court since 2018. All evidence dismissed and police were fined. Every single year the mileage has risen since, it has by far the hottest girls but also lowest mileage. Don't go unless you want just a solid lap dance. Many girls will not even let you LDK, even though at least they are hot enough to do it. https://www.10news.com/news/exotic-d...o-police-raids $1.5 million paid out to Cheetah's dancers for illegal raid http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7109096 Guide to SD sad but hot strip clubs https://www.urbandictionary.com/auth...thor=nympho710 LDK
I will close with a few key points and observations. First, by far the most common issue is neighbors. If neighbors are happy, everyone is happy. If they get bothered, places get evicted. Obviously, landlords do not want drama so they will threaten to call the police but they won't actually do it except as a last resort. The police are not enthusiastic about it either, in SD they will politely tell the corgs to 'please stop bothering the neighbors' every time. That's all everyone wants. The last thing landlords want is for their tenants to see final legal action and affect rent. On that first point:
I've said before about being considerate to neighbors, and enforcement varies so much city to city. In OC a corg was busted with a warrant after repeated neighbor complaints. They arrested two corg men who worked as staff, but let all women go as victims. Here is the exact wording of the news article.
"Three victims at the residence were given information on victim assistance before leaving the property."
By the way, the Irvine corg was putting hundreds of fliers on cars. That was the start of complaints and a part of the line crossed.
For our part, don't hang around, don't disturb neighbors. 99% of people are going about their life, they just want to live their happy life without interruption. Even the police don't care when no one complains, that's exactly how police work - they respond to complaints. I've cited a ton of examples to that effect including so many news articles where the women were treated as victims and immediately released with pamphlets on how to get help. Whereas they do focus on streetwalkers and women who openly solicit, that crosses a line since it is a public nuisance even children can see compared to women privately trying to make a living and not bothering anyone.
Second, as examples have already shown the US works by jurisdiction. Marijuana is illegal federally but legal at the state level, so the federal government politely declines to pursue those cases. Some states and cities also politely decline to pursue prostitution cases, in certain cities there is a strong political mandate even. Whereas if you step one mile in any direction of Manhattan it's a different scenario.
Lastly, enforcement is about setting an example. Without going into specific cases, things have rebounded more than ever years later. It is however important that every person uses common sense and does what they think is right. Some cities, locations, and units are better than others.
Haha that is true. Just reading about Boston freaked me out a year ago.
If it makes you feel better, in the Boston case, only 28 people were charged out of 6000 clients, because they were caught on surveillance camera going in and out of provider's apartment. Not because of the verification they sent.
"Lt. Cabral read out pertinent details of the police report and indicated that the police identified their suspects by matching phone numbers that communicated with a "brothel phone" that was searched on a federal warrant. During the investigation, the police would match Registry of Motor Vehicle photos to the men seen on surveillance video entering and exiting 90 Foster St. In Cambridge, where the network ran women out of three apartments."
Basically, they visited around the time of the arrest and were captured by the surveillance. Verifying with HX handle rather than IDs would not have saved you here either. Pure bad luck.
I saw Yuina J, after seeing some reports about her in OC, San Jose and Dallas I decided to go see her here in LA, for some she is not HYA, but she is definitely not a MILF I think between 27's /32's would be her age range. She is tall 5'6 or so, all natural hourglass body, thin waist and wide hips and perfect B cups, long black hair and a beautiful bubble butt, between skinny and slender. Yuina and Suzu were my best Jgirls experiences, I personally realized that I prefer the body and service of jgirls who are more submissive most of the time, I don't like PSE girls who attack you right at the door, but Yuina is the type who will take action, she is smiley and talkative. She likes DFK and is open to any position, I'm a magnum 8", she didn't complain and just asked me to go slow until she got used to it, but she's very tight and shallow so it got to a point where I saw that it was bothering her and I respected it and didn't go harder or deeper, but she never asked me to stop. I did it because I don't think it's cool to hurt the girls, and she's among the top 3 tight girls I've ever seen, her kgels are very strong and I broke CIP quickly in DS, the view of her thin waist and bubble butt made me go too soon, I liked it and I'll do it again, it's a shame she's leaving next week, her body is between Baby Yui and Lime, if you like spinner it's not for you, and if you like thick you might miss more meat.
SBC is specifically saying on their website they'll provide a real selfie which is why I ask. Not a usual thing listed on ads. Of course every picture has to be taken with a grain of salt in this industry.
So you've seen Baby Gem before? Can you elaborate what you would rate her looks and service?
I've gotten B. Gem and B. Inu's selfies from SBC but they are heavily face tuned so basically useless. I would have been more willing to TOFTT had the selfies at least looked natural but now I'm just going to wait for feedback from fellow mongers.
SBC is specifically saying on their website they'll provide a real selfie which is why I ask. Not a usual thing listed on ads. Of course every picture has to be taken with a grain of salt in this industry.
So you've seen Baby Gem before? Can you elaborate what you would rate her looks and service?
I'll just point out two things about this. First, even if you asked and they said yes, how would you know? It is the unknown itself you are concerned about, after all. So even if they were perfectly straightforward and did as you asked, it wouldn't solve anything there. Second, I and other friends have been completely forgotten by bookers before, to the extent we could not even get back in. If only they had saved our info better. I verified through HX, but my booker refused to network rate me on HX over a decade ago. I took a year-long break, and they had forgotten my number and even explained they had cleared their numbers. It does make sense, why bother saving a ton of old customers who probably have quit just for the few that were on a long break. There is a real risk in letting someone 'inactive' come back years later.
I suppose being rejected is a blessing. Here is a story about UTR bb'ing three very young thai girls for 6 months straight just to get back into an agency http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...ai#post7035464 Thai girls
For whatever reason the thai bookers had a long string of HYA back then, all recruited the same way. They no longer have HYA, believe me I'd point it out if they ever did again. But the thai bookers are unusually straightforward with ad photos, they usually include realistic ones. If it's a MILF, they will post MILF ad photos rather than PS them into HYA. So when I saw HYA ad photos, 100% of the time I got a HYA. Maybe I was lucky but every one of the thai girls was horny with good attitude and service, it was just a question of experience and skill. For whatever reason, I got UTR bb from many of them even though it was not on the menu. The youngest one I know of currently is Guitar, who is borderline HYA and works OC.
I know many more people who were forgotten by SSG recently. If only SSG used their HX (which does exist), then they could easily confirm at least some of their regulars. It is way better than re-verifying. Well, HX is far from perfect I am just saying the alternatives are even worse. The good news is SSG has fixed several issues and they are important even if you don't use them. Time will tell if the logistical issues are fixed, they are the only way to see Nali. Certain girls and agencies help keep prices reasonable. Competition is good, we need them.
I and others have gotten 'real selfie' of many girls over the years. Occasionally they are valid but many times they are not. I think people over-rely on photos and stats, but I get the reasoning. About the two girls, it's up to taste as usual. Gem is not far off from photos. Give it some time and more reports will come. If people encourage reviews and intel in a positive environment, more people will review.
The part about bookers not saving peoples info that well actually makes sense / makes me feel better LOL I remember there was a guide to using HX to get verified into K agency. Do you know where I can find that here??
Some agencies want to see multiple recent network, maybe two. Who is network rating you is most important - it should clearly be a provider who has good network too. Not something easily faked. Also, it helps if your account has been around a while but that's less important. For some people, even partial HX can reduce how much info you supply.
There are other ways but I don't want people to try to game the system, I'll just say to be patient and retry later. When an agency is busy with existing customers, verifying new customers is low priority obviously. And sometimes, it is not the right timing for them to verify anyways. Same way you or I can't reply to text messages sometimes if we are at lunch or driving, but if it's urgent we will stop what we're doing anyways. Common sense. It's a public forum so that's all I can say.
To build HX network, I did have to bang a bunch of flaky White girls at first and then it became easy to bang the other White girls. White girls, yuck. Well, if they are hot and young (this is rare) no problem. The hardest part was actually waiting week after week for the right HX girl. Certain girls posted tons of varied and recent selfies that were clearly them, especially if they have tattoos and you see them in-person you immediately know it's the same girl and not B+S. Each time they looked different with all their clothes on civilian style for discretion, but then when the clothes came off it was exactly what I expected. Maybe I got lucky, but I had a perfect success rate by being super selective and patient. I rejected 99% of profiles.
When I talk about good and varied selfies, I'll use this for example. These are flattering photos of her. You can find others that aren't so. When you get such a variety, it's not hard to have realistic expectations, immediately know it's the right girl face to face, and have fun if you decide the girl is really your type http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post7186599 CeCeOKC
Eventually, HX is all you need to screen but it only really works for CA and Nevada. The other gold standard way to screen is if you have an ATF who is now working somewhere. Since she is the one opening the door, she will only green light you if she knows you are solid.
Attached is the hottest and horniest girl I ever found on HX. Of course she shows up covered in civilian clothes looking normal and innocent, but the tattoos were unmistakably her. So once the clothes started coming off I was blown away. Anything I wanted whatsoever, as many times as I wanted. Her Hello Kitty underwear to the side, I have hundreds of ad and paid photos to remember her by but only a few decent enough to post here. I knew that was not typical, again I rejected 99% of profiles and took a long time to find her. Once I got into korgs, it was way more convenient.
A reminder that korgs are in the business of booking girls over and over. It's a golden goose and they are collecting eggs. Screening is for safety to keep a good thing going, no one would use a korg proven to be unsafe. That's exactly the same purpose of HX network, too. So while it is good to play it safe whenever you can, I'll also point out the motivations. I know some friends who gave up the same info as you, others didn't. Not a problem in decades but I would still do everything you can to address your concerns.
I'll just point out two things about this. First, even if you asked and they said yes, how would you know? It is the unknown itself you are concerned about, after all. So even if they were perfectly straightforward and did as you asked, it wouldn't solve anything there. Second, I and other friends have been completely forgotten by bookers before, to the extent we could not even get back in. If only they had saved our info better. I verified through HX, but my booker refused to network rate me on HX over a decade ago. I took a year-long break, and they had forgotten my number and even explained they had cleared their numbers. It does make sense, why bother saving a ton of old customers who probably have quit just for the few that were on a long break. There is a real risk in letting someone 'inactive' come back years later.
I suppose being rejected is a blessing. Here is a story about UTR bb'ing three very young thai girls for 6 months straight just to get back into an agency http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...ai#post7035464 Thai girls
For whatever reason the thai bookers had a long string of HYA back then, all recruited the same way. They no longer have HYA, believe me I'd point it out if they ever did again. But the thai bookers are unusually straightforward with ad photos, they usually include realistic ones. If it's a MILF, they will post MILF ad photos rather than PS them into HYA. So when I saw HYA ad photos, 100% of the time I got a HYA. Maybe I was lucky but every one of the thai girls was horny with good attitude and service, it was just a question of experience and skill. For whatever reason, I got UTR bb from many of them even though it was not on the menu. The youngest one I know of currently is Guitar, who is borderline HYA and works OC.
I know many more people who were forgotten by SSG recently. If only SSG used their HX (which does exist), then they could easily confirm at least some of their regulars. It is way better than re-verifying. Well, HX is far from perfect I am just saying the alternatives are even worse. The good news is SSG has fixed several issues and they are important even if you don't use them. Time will tell if the logistical issues are fixed, they are the only way to see Nali. Certain girls and agencies help keep prices reasonable. Competition is good, we need them.
I and others have gotten 'real selfie' of many girls over the years. Occasionally they are valid but many times they are not. I think people over-rely on photos and stats, but I get the reasoning. About the two girls, it's up to taste as usual. Gem is not far off from photos. Give it some time and more reports will come. If people encourage reviews and intel in a positive environment, more people will review.
The part about bookers not saving peoples info that well actually makes sense / makes me feel better LOL I remember there was a guide to using HX to get verified into K agency. Do you know where I can find that here??
I foolishly / impatiently gave up my info to get approved by candy little over a year ago. Visited couple hot girls and enjoyed it. But stopped going because of the fear. Because I gave up my info. Anyway, its been almost a year since my last visit. But I've been missing this hobby lately! K org is really something special LOL. Has anyone tried asking the booker to delete your info?
I'll just point out two things about this. First, even if you asked and they said yes, how would you know? It is the unknown itself you are concerned about, after all. So even if they were perfectly straightforward and did as you asked, it wouldn't solve anything there. Second, I and other friends have been completely forgotten by bookers before, to the extent we could not even get back in. If only they had saved our info better. I verified through HX, but my booker refused to network rate me on HX over a decade ago. I took a year-long break, and they had forgotten my number and even explained they had cleared their numbers. It does make sense, why bother saving a ton of old customers who probably have quit just for the few that were on a long break. There is a real risk in letting someone 'inactive' come back years later.
I suppose being rejected is a blessing. Here is a story about UTR bb'ing three very young thai girls for 6 months straight just to get back into an agency http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...ai#post7035464 Thai girls
For whatever reason the thai bookers had a long string of HYA back then, all recruited the same way. They no longer have HYA, believe me I'd point it out if they ever did again. But the thai bookers are unusually straightforward with ad photos, they usually include realistic ones. If it's a MILF, they will post MILF ad photos rather than PS them into HYA. So when I saw HYA ad photos, 100% of the time I got a HYA. Maybe I was lucky but every one of the thai girls was horny with good attitude and service, it was just a question of experience and skill. For whatever reason, I got UTR bb from many of them even though it was not on the menu. The youngest one I know of currently is Guitar, who is borderline HYA and works OC.
I know many more people who were forgotten by SSG recently. If only SSG used their HX (which does exist), then they could easily confirm at least some of their regulars. It is way better than re-verifying. Well, HX is far from perfect I am just saying the alternatives are even worse. The good news is SSG has fixed several issues and they are important even if you don't use them. Time will tell if the logistical issues are fixed, they are the only way to see Nali. Certain girls and agencies help keep prices reasonable. Competition is good, we need them.
Stats do look really alluring though. Anyone on the VIP get their real selfie?
Was just hoping to hear if one looks better than the other.
I and others have gotten 'real selfie' of many girls over the years. Occasionally they are valid but many times they are not. I think people over-rely on photos and stats, but I get the reasoning. About the two girls, it's up to taste as usual. Gem is not far off from photos. Give it some time and more reports will come. If people encourage reviews and intel in a positive environment, more people will review.
I foolishly / impatiently gave up my info to get approved by candy little over a year ago. Visited couple hot girls and enjoyed it. But stopped going because of the fear. Because I gave up my info. Anyway, its been almost a year since my last visit. But I've been missing this hobby lately! K org is really something special LOL. Has anyone tried asking the booker to delete your info?
If you ask them, they will say it is already deleted. Whether they actually did, is a whole different story.