Philly Sugar

[HenryT458]

Seems real but wants more than I am willing to offer. I guess she gets some big cash from some gents.

Her response:

Hey sorry you seem lovely but allowance is absolutely too low for me. Best of luck out there!

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...e-141da3ca5ab2

[JDRedBull]

For the fellas with insurance, just get tested at your nearest CVS and ask the woman to also provide clean testing.

No insurance? Hit up the AHF clinic in center city. I go here periodically and get a full screening. Thursdays are the best days.

After I have my results I always say to a potential sb "Hey, just for your peace of mind I am happy to share my clean tests". Especially when they counter for a higher amount than what I initially offered.

I also offer to cover the costs of birth control. Look into VCF strips too. Vaginal Contraceptives. It is the 21st century. Everything is treatable or preventable. Prep can prevent HIV.

If condoms are a must for you or her, invest in Skyn brand condoms. Extra lube. Thank me later.

P.S. Herpes can be spread via non sexual contact so even condoms won't 100% protect you. Skin to skin contact of any kind, sharing drinks, food, etc.

A while ago I had posted about a friend of mine who I would share info with. He was on S. A and I was on SB. We would share info on the girls. When our credits and or subscription would expire we would switch sites. Over time we where seeing the same girls. Bare too. He Eventually he got trich. He said there were no symptoms but his wife did have symptoms. So that was a mess. I was freaking out and got tested I came back negative. He stop everything and I started all over and cut off everyone. The only thing that may have helped me, is a didn't in nut in them. I would take a piss and wash my dick.

I do get tested every so offten. First was a 10 or 12 panel test that I ordered on line. I think it was 129. Some half off special. That was not fun. Because they drew blood and missed my veins and had to use my other arm. I was all clean. But I had black and blue marks on both arm.

Another time my wife had something going on. So I just went to my doctor. Her test showed a uti. But my test showed up with Mycoplasma. Which I had zero signs of. Its the newest Std out there or maybe they never just never checked on that before. But From what I read everyone has it sometimes. It can be in your lungs. But over time your body should be able to clear it out. My doctor still put me on some kind of medication. I was retested aout 2 months later and everything was negative.

I have read that juices and supplements can help prevent diseases too. Like Ginger and Pomegranate juice can help. Vitamin D. And there are a few other supplements. I just try to be on top of things and be heathly.

If a girl is adamant about condoms. I will wear it. If the girl is sketchy. I will wear condoms. If the girl is sketchy but says she is clean. I will mostly wear a condom. If she has tests done herself and they are negative. Probably wont wear a condom. If I been seeing her for awhile, everything is bare. I understand she is probably banging a bunch of other guys bare too. I just say if you are seeing a bunch of randoms be please be careful or just dont bother seeing me.I just try to manage the risk the best I can for me.

[JDRedBull]

1 x $ - 2 x $ is ideal.

Good luck getting that though.

Well it's very possible for most anyone. If you have the patience to find someone who you are compatible with. And of course I know SB will see other people.

Now don't get me wrong. If you just want to bang a bunch of new random girls every month. That's your thing. I have done it and still meet a few new people here and there. If I find someone who seems to click with me and she's somewhat normal and is cool with what I can give her and she's reliable, great!. We will most likely meet at least 2 x a month. Some girls like stability and not a bunch of random dicks trying to push what ever weird things they can think of on to them. Do the girls like to be tied up, all positions, pics taken, rough or very pleasurable? It depends on the girl. See I try to get them to tell me what they are into and I try to make it happen. Of course this takes a few meetings. Most girls have a Preference to something. Some like it rough, some like passionate. I like it all. So I try to find one that fits each roll and keep her around. So if I give that girl what she's into. She will most likely want to hang out again.

One of the common issues for the girls I seem to click with. Are guys who think they are entitled. That's the biggest issues I hear. If you have money and you show you have money and you think money is the answer. And you just act like a dick. Yeah.. these girls will charge you up. Same with the girls who think they are entitled. They will ask for the most and only care about money and nothing else

Overtime the girls I seem to click with will do just about anything you want anyway. Maybe not in the first meeting. But You can feel which girls are just into money. You can feel which girls are into the sex. Because I am not wealthy. I only go with chicks that are into the meeting. So that's what works for me. I am not knocking what anybody else does.

I use this forum for information. For Techniques that keep me safe, for information about scammers, for pics sellers and other time wasters out in the game. It was not too long ago that a girl was meeting guys and grabbing their money and running out of the hotel. Another one who pulled a gun I believe. So there's good info here.

If people find my information useless. I don't need to post anything. I do post SBs. Profile Info to find them. If they are not a good match for me. They could be a good match for someone else.

I don't give out numbers. It's not hard to find them with their profile and contact them yourself.

[WaltoDerri267]

For the fellas with insurance, just get tested at your nearest CVS and ask the woman to also provide clean testing.

No insurance? Hit up the AHF clinic in center city. I go here periodically and get a full screening. Thursdays are the best days.

After I have my results I always say to a potential sb "Hey, just for your peace of mind I am happy to share my clean tests". Especially when they counter for a higher amount than what I initially offered.

I also offer to cover the costs of birth control. Look into VCF strips too. Vaginal Contraceptives. It is the 21st century. Everything is treatable or preventable. Prep can prevent HIV.

If condoms are a must for you or her, invest in Skyn brand condoms. Extra lube. Thank me later.

P.S. Herpes can be spread via non sexual contact so even condoms won't 100% protect you. Skin to skin contact of any kind, sharing drinks, food, etc.

[UsaBlinkGuy11]

For some on here this may seem like common sense.

Like this girl. 800 is way to high. 400 is too high for me. So I probably wouldn't try. She looks very attractive from what I can see. But she is 32 and probably even older. Most lie about their age. Especially as they get older. So that's alittle old for that amount. She has been on seeking for a little while. If she is not on all the time. She is not trying to make a living from this and is probably being choosy. Now this just my take on it.

If you really want to pull her in. Try 5. And if you both have chemistry and seem to vibe well. Say hey I would like to meet next week but your gift needs to be more in range of what I can do. If she does not go for it. Let her go or pay the price.

Also some guys have money, some guys have a personality, some guys have looks. Some guys are good in bed. Of course the same is true on the girls side. So which ever one (s) are your strongest, is the one you can use to win over the SB. Whether it's to meet them or keep it going. Obviously mine is not grammar.

For me I am getting older. I am getting tired of the chase. Also as other have pointed out, girls asking for more money. You can still find girls that are more reasonable and are somewhat normal, it just takes a lot of time. I used to see multiple new girls a month. It was fun but very time consuming. The thrill of meeting someone new has diminished over time Also I let some girls go to get other ones. Only to miss some I had see in the past. I already did the bucketlist. I might as well enjoy the people I see now who seem to be enjoying me as well. I mean I see one girl 29 for 1 xx to 2 xx Been seeing her for 7 months. She works but doesn't want a serious relationship. Wants sex and likes a few dollars. She also had a few bad experiences, besides bad dates, being ripped off. She is not on seeking. Girls have their own stories of bad dates, being raped etc. So when you think sex talk is going to win them over. You are delusional. If the sex talk does seem to be working. LOL she is working you to get that money.

1 x $ - 2 x $ is ideal.

Good luck getting that though.

[EpicSD]

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...0-a1c702523796

Cute with a slutty look- I send out tons of messages and go from there. Her copy and paste response: 'hello, I am looking for a sugar daddy long term. Money in exchange for whatever you would like. Text me if this interest you" and then her real number. We're texting for a few and she asks for money to upkeep her beauty. I tell her I'd never send money to anyone I'm not in an arrangement with. So she's, of course, not interested. Don't waste your time.

[JDRedBull]

WarmQueen.

Exchanged messages with her a couple years ago. Quite real and very pretty. Knows what this is about but wanted $800. Countered with $400 which was rejected and ended the conversation. She disappeared for a while, but resurfaced recently (AFAIK). Maybe she's recalibrated her expectations?

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...e-d50aefad67a1

For some on here this may seem like common sense.

Like this girl. 800 is way to high. 400 is too high for me. So I probably wouldn't try. She looks very attractive from what I can see. But she is 32 and probably even older. Most lie about their age. Especially as they get older. So that's alittle old for that amount. She has been on seeking for a little while. If she is not on all the time. She is not trying to make a living from this and is probably being choosy. Now this just my take on it.

If you really want to pull her in. Try 5. And if you both have chemistry and seem to vibe well. Say hey I would like to meet next week but your gift needs to be more in range of what I can do. If she does not go for it. Let her go or pay the price.

Also some guys have money, some guys have a personality, some guys have looks. Some guys are good in bed. Of course the same is true on the girls side. So which ever one (s) are your strongest, is the one you can use to win over the SB. Whether it's to meet them or keep it going. Obviously mine is not grammar.

For me I am getting older. I am getting tired of the chase. Also as other have pointed out, girls asking for more money. You can still find girls that are more reasonable and are somewhat normal, it just takes a lot of time. I used to see multiple new girls a month. It was fun but very time consuming. The thrill of meeting someone new has diminished over time Also I let some girls go to get other ones. Only to miss some I had see in the past. I already did the bucketlist. I might as well enjoy the people I see now who seem to be enjoying me as well. I mean I see one girl 29 for 1 xx to 2 xx Been seeing her for 7 months. She works but doesn't want a serious relationship. Wants sex and likes a few dollars. She also had a few bad experiences, besides bad dates, being ripped off. She is not on seeking. Girls have their own stories of bad dates, being raped etc. So when you think sex talk is going to win them over. You are delusional. If the sex talk does seem to be working. LOL she is working you to get that money.

[PhillYogynist]

WarmQueen.

Exchanged messages with her a couple years ago. Quite real and very pretty. Knows what this is about but wanted $800. Countered with $400 which was rejected and ended the conversation. She disappeared for a while, but resurfaced recently (AFAIK). Maybe she's recalibrated her expectations?

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...e-d50aefad67a1

[JDRedBull]

No one would JD. But what makes the girl check out ok? Case in point are my previous 2 long term ladies. Yes, we went bare after a few times. She gave me the story that I was the only dude she was fucking. The truth was, she was fucking another one of my friends raw. This happened with 2 different ladies. My friend and I did recommend these girls to each other. But the ladies never were aware. To them, we met organically through seeking.

So despite what you will be told by ladies in this game, they almost ALWAYS have other dudes. The most common number of suitors is 3 dudes per hot chick. 2 paying SDs and one vanilla guy or FWB dude. That seems to be the most common configuration of a chicks roster. I've found this to be true 95% of the time.

I'm fortunate that I know the other SD and he's a safe guy. That helps mitigate the STD risk.

You don't! You can only manage risk. No sex is the safest. To a condom. But a condom can break. Right. A bunch of guys on a sex forum. Which includes any type of sex workers to SB. Which alot of guys brag about banging girls bare Seems very high risk for me. So I cross my fingers and hope for the best.

As one who seems to contribute alot. Do you say to everyone on here what SB you are banging now. Or is it after the fact or if someone schedule doesn't match yours? I am just saying. The difference is I appreciate everyone advice from yours to Epics. But I do hate when people complain. If I am fisherman I will show the lake and the area. But I am not handing you the fish. If the fish is not for me sure you can have it.

[HenryT458]

I prefer seeing 2 girl a week. So I stick to a range that works for me and because I have wife to worry about. I just can't fuck anyone bare. I sure would not want to share a SB info to a bunch of dudes who could careless about their own health. I mean seriously. Who would.

No one would JD. But what makes the girl check out ok? Case in point are my previous 2 long term ladies. Yes, we went bare after a few times. She gave me the story that I was the only dude she was fucking. The truth was, she was fucking another one of my friends raw. This happened with 2 different ladies. My friend and I did recommend these girls to each other. But the ladies never were aware. To them, we met organically through seeking.

So despite what you will be told by ladies in this game, they almost ALWAYS have other dudes. The most common number of suitors is 3 dudes per hot chick. 2 paying SDs and one vanilla guy or FWB dude. That seems to be the most common configuration of a chicks roster. I've found this to be true 95% of the time.

I'm fortunate that I know the other SD and he's a safe guy. That helps mitigate the STD risk.

[JDRedBull]

I think I just have a different personal opinion about it.

I am not sure for others, but I would say 99% of women I see on seeking I would not give them more than 2 x $ ppm.

I would say out of 1,000 girl profiles I see. Maybe 1 out of 1,000 I would be willing to fork over up to 5 x $.

My thinking is that if I am going to pay these "normal" rates, I literally will only take the absolute perfect girls LOL. In terms of what I prefer looks-wise.

Therefore. Almost all girls do not qualify. I had a couple girls who were normal looking college girls asking for 4 x $. They looked so mid. Like any other girl walking down the street. I don't know how anyone pays 3-4 x $ for that?? But I guess it's just a different way of thinking compared to mine.

Obviously we all have a right to pay what we think something is worth. If it's worth it for some, then they will pay. If it's not worth it, then they will pass (kind of like what I am currently doing).

Hopefully those still in this game are able to secure deals that they are happy with.

Onward.

That's the thing. There's different types of girls and different levels of what they want. Granted it seems that the avg. Is probably 4 xx.

I can only afford what I can afford. So for me to wait a month to see a 5 xx. Just isn't for me.

I prefer seeing 2 girl a week. So I stick to a range that works for me and because I have wife to worry about. I just can't fuck anyone bare. I sure would not want to share a SB info to a bunch of dudes who could careless about their own health. I mean seriously. Who would.

[UsaBlinkGuy11]

I think I just have a different personal opinion about it.

I am not sure for others, but I would say 99% of women I see on seeking I would not give them more than 2 x $ ppm.

I would say out of 1,000 girl profiles I see. Maybe 1 out of 1,000 I would be willing to fork over up to 5 x $.

My thinking is that if I am going to pay these "normal" rates, I literally will only take the absolute perfect girls LOL. In terms of what I prefer looks-wise.

Therefore. Almost all girls do not qualify. I had a couple girls who were normal looking college girls asking for 4 x $. They looked so mid. Like any other girl walking down the street. I don't know how anyone pays 3-4 x $ for that?? But I guess it's just a different way of thinking compared to mine.

Obviously we all have a right to pay what we think something is worth. If it's worth it for some, then they will pay. If it's not worth it, then they will pass (kind of like what I am currently doing).

Hopefully those still in this game are able to secure deals that they are happy with.

Onward.

[JDRedBull]

300-400 isn't unreasonable, especially in today's economy. I generally get nasty CIP fun with hot submissive girls. One's that aren't shooting up and being "stuck" in my bathroom for 45 minutes.

I really appreciate the feedback when it comes to information about girls- be they scammers or legit. And I'm not telling anyone to not complain about ppm. But unless there's constructive advice like JD just gave it does nothing. We are a tiny tiny slice of men on seeking. We can't do anything to change what is the reasonable p p m currently. There are other options like STG, but that's 99.9% infested with heavy drug users, especially here in the Philly region. I have intel to share (but not contact info) in my next post.

As someone who most likely has their own collection of friends. I don't see you putting up your best ones you see now. Seriously as you like to brag how safe you are. I wouldn't want to touch some of the chicks you are with. And the funny thing is we most likely have.

On top of that crusader. I am just trying to give some advice for those who are trying but maybe going at it the wrong way. You maybe the biggest pussy slayer here dude. More power to you. I prefer to be more on the side lines. I try to be helpful in my own way. When I go on seeking. We both know who is who. Meaning it's all that hard to see who we can pick out and taken home on seeking. Newer profiles can take some time. As for I love busting nuts in girl. Don't we all. I just try to be careful. Even 7 xx dollar girl can get something and give it to you. I am just more afraid to pass something around. If the girl checks out. Bare is all good. Granted I am not the biggest spender and have to be more careful..

[EpicSD]

A while ago had posted abouts getting girls that were more reasonable. They are still there. It's more about timing and how comfortable you present yourself. Also express that you are looking for something steady but not clingy. Send a nice message if their gift demands are too high, be polite and say "I am sorry that's too much for me" Wait a week or 2 send them another message saying could we meet half way or say look this for a repeated experience if we click. Also don't do sex talk or dic pics when first discussing a meeting. . Its more how you are going to represent a comfortable atmosphere for them. As soon as they have a bad experience like a stalker, someone whos fake, or they are somewhat new or they just been turned down. These 4 xx ot 6 xx bill girls usually will take a more reasonable offer. I also don't make a day of it. It's usually a couple hours when meeting. I treat them like we will meet again and I usually do if the chemistry is there But it does take alot of time and patience. I have now been on a few different SB sites for a few years. Bouncing off different ones when my sub or credits expire.

300-400 isn't unreasonable, especially in today's economy. I generally get nasty CIP fun with hot submissive girls. One's that aren't shooting up and being "stuck" in my bathroom for 45 minutes.

I really appreciate the feedback when it comes to information about girls- be they scammers or legit. And I'm not telling anyone to not complain about ppm. But unless there's constructive advice like JD just gave it does nothing. We are a tiny tiny slice of men on seeking. We can't do anything to change what is the reasonable p p m currently. There are other options like STG, but that's 99.9% infested with heavy drug users, especially here in the Philly region. I have intel to share (but not contact info) in my next post.

[JDRedBull]

Seems like every girl expects minimum 4 x $ these days, regardless of how you look or how old you are.

I guess you all are paying these prices?

I used to be able to get no more than 2 x $ somewhat consistently. Usually would pay even less than that, and these were average looking college girls or girls that had part time jobs.

Dunno. I guess inflation has hard lined the prices.

I personally can't justify spending more than 2 x $, regardless of how hot the girl looks or if I was like 65 years old LOL. Not judging anyone. To me, 1 session of just 1 round, maybe two rounds, shouldn't cost more than that, but oh well.

Good luck gents, impressed that you all are fighting the good fight.

A while ago had posted abouts getting girls that were more reasonable. They are still there. It's more about timing and how comfortable you present yourself. Also express that you are looking for something steady but not clingy. Send a nice message if their gift demands are too high, be polite and say "I am sorry that's too much for me" Wait a week or 2 send them another message saying could we meet half way or say look this for a repeated experience if we click. Also don't do sex talk or dic pics when first discussing a meeting. . Its more how you are going to represent a comfortable atmosphere for them. As soon as they have a bad experience like a stalker, someone whos fake, or they are somewhat new or they just been turned down. These 4 xx ot 6 xx bill girls usually will take a more reasonable offer. I also don't make a day of it. It's usually a couple hours when meeting. I treat them like we will meet again and I usually do if the chemistry is there But it does take alot of time and patience. I have now been on a few different SB sites for a few years. Bouncing off different ones when my sub or credits expire.

Because I had a bunch good meetings but because of time or schedules I didn't repeat. I will sometimes go on the SB sites and I will start getting texts from past SB to meet again. This is with out renewing sub or buying credits. Its because they saw me on. I am not saying this to act like I am something special. . I am saying that I treat people respect. Even SBs. . also This is without ever paying 4 or more for a gift. . I always explain that I do the best I can and if the gift is within my means I will be more likely to repeat. Has my gifts been a little higher. Yeah but like 50 bucks. I am still in the 2 to 3 range. I have couple regular friends, that are in that range. Also I am done with SB sites for now. I am now trying different avenues. Even reddit has groups looking for SB or hook ups and that site is free.

On a side note. I don't put up with any 5 hit or bs either. No money upfront, never send them money, no money for platonic meets. I am nice but firm.

So just be patient. Also if you had SB that you seemed to click with and she seemed reasonable with her wants. Maybe stick with her or reach out again. Good luck out there.