Yup, Mira came back to OC but went off grid for a minute when the LE stuff came out in the news in early November 2023. Good time to lay low bc of the unwanted news / LE attention and also bc it was really slow then. Some well-reviewed HYAs are slowly coming back onto the roster (even if for a short time) so I'm hoping that trend continues.
Her family's in town so she's been traveling w / them. No idea when she'll be working again and if here or somewhere else.
I used to give credence to the theory that asian guys are better at picking HYAs but some of the takes lately are bad. I only agree with Freesia and Celine from your list. And zebra's claim that Yujin is ATF is the worst take ever LOL. And some other dude who claims he works in modeling saying she has a pretty face SMH.
BTW the acronym HYA shouldn't be influenced by factors outside of physical appearance because who knows what kind of relationship you have with girls outside the transaction. Obviously everyone has their own preferences so you do you but "I'm asian" isn't a strong argument point when I see some of the celeb comparisons so called asian guys are making. Saying Haven has any resemblance to Suzy bae automatically revokes your asian card lmao
Haha that's a very yt thing to say so let's agree to disagree lmao. I honestly give zero credence to any yt dude assessment of HYA because (1) yt people are always the first to call 40-somethings young 😂 and (2) they have like one type when it comes to Korean girls. I don't need anyone to validate my choices bc I put my money where my mouth is — all over my HYAs.
2. To give a sense of where I'm coming from, I'm Asian and in my early 30's, so like Zebra, I'm more attuned to nuances and differences in Asian faces than people who come from a "Western" gaze or are boomer-adjacent, or both. I've noticed that I can discern things like face, youth, etc. , differently from others. So I'll note and emphasize that who is attractive to me will often not be who is attractive to "Western" mongers lmao. I'm cool with that. And unlike other mongers, ostensibly, I am concerned with both HYA visuals *and* intimacy / personality / vibes. My hunch is that there are members (and lurkers) here who are also looking for someone with a friendly attitude and who can hold intelligent conversation (which is a bonus in session). So don't yuck my yum lmao.
I used to give credence to the theory that asian guys are better at picking HYAs but some of the takes lately are bad. I only agree with Freesia and Celine from your list. And zebra's claim that Yujin is ATF is the worst take ever LOL. And some other dude who claims he works in modeling saying she has a pretty face SMH.
BTW the acronym HYA shouldn't be influenced by factors outside of physical appearance because who knows what kind of relationship you have with girls outside the transaction. Obviously everyone has their own preferences so you do you but "I'm asian" isn't a strong argument point when I see some of the celeb comparisons so called asian guys are making. Saying Haven has any resemblance to Suzy bae automatically revokes your asian card lmao
Has anyone heard anything from Mira? I know she was recently in OC, but was removed after a week. Hoping she'd be back in LA by now, but nothin! Had I known she'd go MIA I would've seen her before she left the OC, damn.
Yup, Mira came back to OC but went off grid for a minute when the LE stuff came out in the news in early November 2023. Good time to lay low bc of the unwanted news / LE attention and also bc it was really slow then. Some well-reviewed HYAs are slowly coming back onto the roster (even if for a short time) so I'm hoping that trend continues.
I don't think boner ever mentions Haven and Boner has never led me wrong, therefore I rest my case.
Yeah, I don't agree with you (one might say I "severely disagree" with you) for obvious reasons but I'll try to stay as objective and productive to the hobby as possible here.
2. To give a sense of where I'm coming from, I'm Asian and in my early 30's, so like Zebra, I'm more attuned to nuances and differences in Asian faces than people who come from a "Western" gaze or are boomer-adjacent, or both. I've noticed that I can discern things like face, youth, etc. , differently from others. So I'll note and emphasize that who is attractive to me will often not be who is attractive to "Western" mongers lmao. I'm cool with that. And unlike other mongers, ostensibly, I am concerned with both HYA visuals *and* intimacy / personality / vibes. My hunch is that there are members (and lurkers) here who are also looking for someone with a friendly attitude and who can hold intelligent conversation (which is a bonus in session). So don't yuck my yum lmao.
3. I've said this before, and I'll repeat it. One key recommendation for HYA reviews is to include visual references moving forward. For example, Haven looks like Suzy Bae and Bora Kim. See Zebra's visual comparisons which were on point. If you like those girls in the references, you'll like Haven. If you don't like those girls' visuals, you probably won't like Haven. But no need to disparage a girl for no reason other than your own gaze. Let's be a little less intellectually lazy with the visual references / comparisons so that, again, we have as much info as possible to be the informed mongers we aspire to be.
On TER, I created a saved search with a minimum average appearance score of 8. I set body type to "athletic." "This will filter out the ugly providers!" I thought.
I was wrong. My search includes results from providers I don't even think I would see if I were drunk. I find some of them outright revolting. And ya know what? That's perfectly OK. Clearly, those providers have their admirers. I'm simply not one of them.
For kgirls, I read glowing reviews of providers I've seen and have written off as unattractive. Maybe these patrons have unconventional beauty standards. Maybe they've rarely seen Korean people and the scarcity has inflated their perception of attractiveness. Whatever the reason is, it's all good.
We're all in this together, gents. There's nothing to gain from calling out others for their opinions of a provider's appearance. We all must remember that this hobby has features that potentially taint people's experiences, including heavily Photoshopped pics, completely different or AI-generated pics, glowing reviews by shills, and different opinions. This is the inherent uncertainty we must all accept.
I think it's important to take a step back and realize that people want different things out of this hobby. It's a spectrum and a fairly fluid at that. I have a buddy whose sole reason to be in the hobby is to satisfy his urge for sex. He's happily married and loves his wife to death but due to medical reasons she can't provide that aspect to him anymore. Call him what you like but he's doing his best to keep his marriage going. Another is a widower that wants some company and the hanky panky is just icing on top. One that wants them tatted up as much as possible. What I'm trying to say is that everyone's top whatever and their justification for it or the lack thereof is perfectly valid. Disparaging someone's ATF is same as disparaging your own.
I could ask everyone's top 5 and, by some miracle, everyone answered truthfully you would get so many permutations that would and should surprise everyone. Because of different tastes, preferences, biases, etc. Sure, you'll get repeats, but that's because there is a floor to common preferences dictated by natural selection. I went into it with a little more detail HERE over three years ago.
I don't think boner ever mentions Haven and Boner has never led me wrong, therefore I rest my case.
I think it's important to take a step back and realize that people want different things out of this hobby. It's a spectrum and a fairly fluid at that. I have a buddy whose sole reason to be in the hobby is to satisfy his urge for sex. He's happily married and loves his wife to death but due to medical reasons she can't provide that aspect to him anymore. Call him what you like but he's doing his best to keep his marriage going. Another is a widower that wants some company and the hanky panky is just icing on top. One that wants them tatted up as much as possible. What I'm trying to say is that everyone's top whatever and their justification for it or the lack thereof is perfectly valid. Disparaging someone's ATF is same as disparaging your own.
I could ask everyone's top 5 and, by some miracle, everyone answered truthfully you would get so many permutations that would and should surprise everyone. Because of different tastes, preferences, biases, etc. Sure, you'll get repeats, but that's because there is a floor to common preferences dictated by natural selection. I went into it with a little more detail HERE over three years ago.
+1 to BC's point here about people being here for different reasons. Some people are married and just trying to FF a girl who doesn't speak English and got caught up in some bad financial decisions, fine. Others are here for intimacy for whatever reason and trying to look for company to fill a growing void of loneliness, and this is one way to do that. So even if we're not trying to date or marry the girl, we're looking for a girl who can provide those traits in terms of conversation, the soft skills that are not always about the main event, and the personability.
Also at Slim, you're going after Haven for no good reason. If you didn't like her, that's cool. Go find someone else who's your style and meets whatever needs you're trying to fill. Many many others do like Haven and do rank her highly, here and on the other review site. Your confusion stems from an inability to step back and think for a moment that other people don't see the things the way you do or have different reasons for coming here than you do. Not everyone needs to like my ATF. But I do provide enough visual and non-visual specifics to underscore why I like her. And many people who are looking for what Haven offers are able to find it in her company.
CGLA Overview is a userscript that works on the home page of CGLA and pulls profile information into the page as a transparent overlay. I just updated the script so that it waits for the password prompt to disappear before loading profiles. Ever since passwords were instituted, the script was broken, but now it works again.
Okay so what I simply don't understand about Haven is that you're paying you're not dating so it's not like you're going to end up with this girl in terms of marriage. So why are these elements like how smart she is or personality all that important here? Are you saying that you actually want to date or end up with Haven because you have that special connection with her and its love or something? All while she's taking in like 6 dudes a day and while they might not be jizzing side of her her mouth has been all of their junk? I'm like really confused here. I see these girls to get my itch scratched and move on.
And even if that were the case I still don't think she's that pretty for example if you just google "korean girl with brown hair short" all 30 images are girls who are more attractive than Haven.
My top 5 in no particular order: Celine, NG, LoveK, Lady Ari, Daphene. I mean Haven is not even a spinner...
I think it's important to take a step back and realize that people want different things out of this hobby. It's a spectrum and a fairly fluid at that. I have a buddy whose sole reason to be in the hobby is to satisfy his urge for sex. He's happily married and loves his wife to death but due to medical reasons she can't provide that aspect to him anymore. Call him what you like but he's doing his best to keep his marriage going. Another is a widower that wants some company and the hanky panky is just icing on top. One that wants them tatted up as much as possible. What I'm trying to say is that everyone's top whatever and their justification for it or the lack thereof is perfectly valid. Disparaging someone's ATF is same as disparaging your own.
I could ask everyone's top 5 and, by some miracle, everyone answered truthfully you would get so many permutations that would and should surprise everyone. Because of different tastes, preferences, biases, etc. Sure, you'll get repeats, but that's because there is a floor to common preferences dictated by natural selection. I went into it with a little more detail HERE over three years ago.
That's what I'm trying to say! To adapt the old Don Quixote quote tell us the top 5 girls you visited in 2023, and I'll tell you what kind of monger you are.
1. The cute Chase Bank teller girl in WLA.
2. The fat Chase Bank teller lady in Santa Ana.
3. The MILFy Chase Bank teller women in Tustin.
4. The young Chase Bank teller girl in Ktown.
5. The old Chase Bank teller spinster at my local bank.
Look. It's so easy and analytically bankrupt to say "she's not hot" or "not HYA to me. " Looks can be subjective, and we know that. But only saying that with no basis or reasoning is not super helpful in terms of contributions to the forum. We are trying to share better (more precise, more visually accurate) information so we can choose the girls that do match our styles or visual preferences.
So use your words and give us your top 5 lists this is less of a challenge to a duel but more of a "share your visual style then" so we know what kind of gaze you are coming from. What were the traits that stood out? What are your priority preferences? For example, if Love K and NG are in your top 5, then that makes sense that we would disagree bc they were both one and done for me. Some dudes are just looking for submission / conquest / domination, but that's not my priority. I put a high premium on smart girls with strong nunchi who are also exceptionally HYA. Like Haven and Freesia.
Okay so what I simply don't understand about Haven is that you're paying you're not dating so it's not like you're going to end up with this girl in terms of marriage. So why are these elements like how smart she is or personality all that important here? Are you saying that you actually want to date or end up with Haven because you have that special connection with her and its love or something? All while she's taking in like 6 dudes a day and while they might not be jizzing side of her her mouth has been all of their junk? I'm like really confused here. I see these girls to get my itch scratched and move on.
And even if that were the case I still don't think she's that pretty for example if you just google "korean girl with brown hair short" all 30 images are girls who are more attractive than Haven.
My top 5 in no particular order: Celine, NG, LoveK, Lady Ari, Daphene. I mean Haven is not even a spinner...
You have visited 45 different girls this year. Here is the top 5 girls you visited. You spent a total of $-.
That's what I'm trying to say! To adapt the old Don Quixote quote — tell us the top 5 girls you visited in 2023, and I'll tell you what kind of monger you are.