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**LoveDemAzn** · 11-10-23 17:04

Originally Posted by Derilious89 [View Original Post]

I have to say though, it seems like most of the busts that have taken place every few years are agencies that use "that" apartment complex. I know Mosaic is a good spot, but there has to be something better around because it feels like that apartment complex either has uncooperative management or the neighbors are way too nosy about foot traffic (maybe sound proofing is bad?

Renting a nice hotel will cost them money compare to renting a apartment. Avg good hotel might cost you around 150/ day so 30 days cost them 4500 compare to apartments might be around 2-2. 5 k. Also hotel price changes during holiday.

**JmSuttr** · 11-10-23 13:49

Originally Posted by Derilious89 [View Original Post]

I have to say though, it seems like most of the busts that have taken place every few years are agencies that use "that" apartment complex. I know Mosaic is a good spot, but there has to be something better around because it feels like that apartment complex either has uncooperative management or the neighbors are way too nosy about foot traffic (maybe sound proofing is bad?

From what I've read about the current situation, this case started in MA and then widened to include VA when linkages were found between the two locations. So I'm not sure there were any problems that originated directly as a result of the Mosaic apt location. It's a nice area, with lots of foot traffic around that would allow clients to arrive and leave relatively discreetly, so I can see why an agency would rent there.

The biggest problem for any apt location is nosy neighbors, which is impossible to predict in advance. Management is obviously another problem, but in a big and busy complex, like Mosaic, they probably wouldn't be aware of anything unless they received complaints from neighbors. When you think about it, it's pretty hard to hide a constant stream of comings and goings of men, no matter what the location. Neighbors will likely suspect drugs, or prostitution, or both.

**Derilious89** · 11-09-23 23:20

I have to say though, it seems like most of the busts that have taken place every few years are agencies that use "that" apartment complex. I know Mosaic is a good spot, but there has to be something better around because it feels like that apartment complex either has uncooperative management or the neighbors are way too nosy about foot traffic (maybe sound proofing is bad?

**JmSuttr** · 11-09-23 20:02

Originally Posted by Yeele [View Original Post]

Local news said they have surveillance videos of dozens of clients. This is hard to avoid and all by luck.

Well-reviewed = safe (r).

Independent = hard to spin their activity as "trafficking," little $ at play.

Incall = activity takes place at a location that's not linked to you.

Burner + cash = self-explanatory.

If you show up on surveillance video, so what? At most it's a misdemeanor, which means it's not worth anyone's time to investigate. Plus all someone has to do is deny criminal behavior by saying it was a photo session, or something like that. Of course, best to never say anything. But, if backed into a corner, deny, deny, deny!

Once you venture beyond the above you increase your level of risk. As current events demonstrate, agencies are great, until they're not. And handing over your PII so you can be with a real hottie is no problem, until it is.

P.S. Always important to be sure you're seeing a true independent. Reviews should help make that clear.

**Serpico99** · 11-09-23 19:16

Originally Posted by Kijimuna [View Original Post]

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/fairfax-...xury-apartment

I recall these apartment "brothels" getting raided every few years. Nothing to see here, move along. You would expect these places to get raided because of all the foot traffic going in and out of one apartment at all hours of the day / night. Some nosey neighbor (s) is / are going to say something and report it.

**JmSuttr** · 11-09-23 18:57

Originally Posted by Eerock [View Original Post]

A few things stand out in the supporting affidavit. First, for a putative trafficking investigation and a long indictment, there is very little detail on where the women are coming from. But it goes into minute detail of a business run by the three suspects operated, gathered over the course of some time. The feds don't have the manpower to do this everywhere, so I read it as a warning to customers elsewhere of what they could be getting themselves into. The DC area connection guaranteed widespread media interest in the customer base.

Considering that, when "trafficking" is alleged, they can leverage state / local agencies and multi-agency task forces set up to deal with the dreaded "T" scourge! In many ways, it's all about the Benjamins as they're more likely to target defendants from whom they can reap the most asset forfeiture and / or the most publicity. The local depts usually share in the forfeiture haul, as well as ensuring that the spigot of anti-trafficking grant money keeps flowing.

The other thing to consider is that cases don't necessarily start at the federal level. A local dept can start an investigation and if / when they find enough money and indicators of (loosely defined) trafficking, they'll often pitch it to the feds. They'll have to share the credit, but federal forfeiture authority is usually broader and more wide-ranging, so there will be a larger pot of money to spit.

Edit: The word "split" autocorrected to "spit," which is rather appropriate!

**Yeele** · 11-09-23 18:32

Originally Posted by TomMcAn [View Original Post]

This is why I keep telling my fellow mongers never to give out real names, photos, identification, employment info, etc. Nor should mongers pay with a credit card or any form of electronic payment, only cash at the time of service. You see what happens when our least favorite uncle busts an agency or individual provider? A lot of mongers are now at risk of being exposed and being embarrassed at the very least. Some might even lose their jobs, careers, and marriages as a result, even if they don't face criminal charges.

Edited to add: the article's author needs a geography lesson. Fairfax and Tysons Corner are located in Northern Virginia, not eastern Virginia.

Local news said they have surveillance videos of dozens of clients. This is hard to avoid and all by luck.

**Kijimuna** · 11-09-23 18:05

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/fairfax-...xury-apartment

**Max #01** · 11-09-23 17:31

Originally Posted by JackRyan1 [View Original Post]

Targeting Cambridge and Tyson's.

On twitterverse today.

I commented on this in the agency forum. Highly unlikely, IMHO.

**Vamassage Fan** · 11-09-23 17:10

Originally Posted by Mannerism30 [View Original Post]

There's a reason I was never a fan of being verified.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/08/high...more-feds.html

What are the odds that foreignintelligence hasn't breached and accesses databases such as P411 and TER anyway? Just never detected.

**JackRyan1** · 11-09-23 16:50

LOL.

The daily wire is covering this story.

Linking it to Chinese bla bla bla.

**ChrisCarr** · 11-09-23 15:13

Originally Posted by JackRyan1 [View Original Post]

Targeting Cambridge and Tyson's.

On twitterverse today.

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/stat...51038409277454

**JackRyan1** · 11-09-23 14:38

Targeting Cambridge and Tyson's.

On twitterverse today.

**Eerock** · 11-09-23 11:19

Originally Posted by Randalthor [View Original Post]

The reference to "eastern Virginia" comes from the federal court district where the charges were filed. Check out the indictment which details the verification process and how the business was set up.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...thel-ring-case

A few things stand out in the supporting affidavit. First, for a putative trafficking investigation and a long indictment, there is very little detail on where the women are coming from. But it goes into minute detail of a business run by the three suspects operated, gathered over the course of some time. The feds don't have the manpower to do this everywhere, so I read it as a warning to customers elsewhere of what they could be getting themselves into. The DC area connection guaranteed widespread media interest in the customer base.

**Max #01** · 11-09-23 09:14

Originally Posted by Mannerism30 [View Original Post]

There's a reason I was never a fan of being verified.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/08/high...more-feds.html

Me, too. I've come close a couple of times, but have never taken the plunge. Did anyone else notice that this story broke the day after election day? This whole thing was done by the DHS feds, taking full advantage of human trafficking laws enacted after 9-11. Either the cop who wrote the affidavit did PhD-level research or perhaps had a lot of experience himself in the hobby. One other observation: It appears as if this investigation started in Boston and spread to NOVA when the "PhD" started connecting the dots.