"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[AdmirerSecret]

She is asking for $3000 and she can come down to $2500 ppm. Sorry I don't proceed. I am not Elon musk.

JD show your charms now. Bend this girl. She is damn hot.

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...2b48c1786b900a

[AdmirerSecret]

There are always guys that seem to get what they seek and then there are the other guys wondering how those guys are getting what they seek.

Today I met a chick, she is completely broken, no place to live, she don't look like anything in photos. She is young (28). 5/10.

She don't have a job at the moment and seeking for long term sugar daddy. So I am not going to proceed further I think. She asked me to uber to restaurants.

I found a nice restaurant because of her. .

Guys keep trying something will work out. Its all time and presentations and vibe. Sometimes luck.

Damage: 1's.

Yes, I am simplifying a bit. But to be fair, you have seen few on here do it because most on here are not looking for that.

The majority of the posts are PPM. Guys looking to get their rocks off, ideally with a chick that is low volume and not a pro escort. And for the ones with babies worth keeping, they are not posting them until they are completely done with them (or they never post them at all).

Do you know (and I'm sure you do) there are guys who have pretty hot, attractive, sexy long term side pieces and they don't pay a dime, other than dick. I'm not talking about "oh, we don't talk money, I just make sure she has what she needs and she reciprocates in taking care of my needs". No, actual attractive women getting nothing but dick and, in some cases, the dude is actually get money or some other material item from her!

Everybody plays the game in their own way, and I'm not judging. As long as you're good with the situation, is all that matters.

But for Admirer Secret, correct me if I'm wrong, this guy can't get off "Step 1". We're not even into the "how to hide this from my SO stage" or anything else.

[Airmantroy]

Yes, I am simplifying a bit. But to be fair, you have seen few on here do it because most on here are not looking for that.

The majority of the posts are PPM. Guys looking to get their rocks off, ideally with a chick that is low volume and not a pro escort. And for the ones with babies worth keeping, they are not posting them until they are completely done with them (or they never post them at all).

Do you know (and I'm sure you do) there are guys who have pretty hot, attractive, sexy long term side pieces and they don't pay a dime, other than dick. I'm not talking about "oh, we don't talk money, I just make sure she has what she needs and she reciprocates in taking care of my needs". No, actual attractive women getting nothing but dick and, in some cases, the dude is actually get money or some other material item from her!

Everybody plays the game in their own way, and I'm not judging. As long as you're good with the situation, is all that matters.

But for Admirer Secret, correct me if I'm wrong, this guy can't get off "Step 1". We're not even into the "how to hide this from my SO stage" or anything else.

We're talking just getting the type of fish he wants to jump in the boat. That shouldn't be an issue for a person with financial resources, even taking age in consideration, if the presentation is right. The issue should be you have so many to choose from that you spend too much time weeding through the noise.

One of the things you will always notice, regardless of the thread, strip clubs, escorts, sugar babies, etc, there are always guys that seem to get what they seek and then there are the other guys wondering how those guys are getting what they seek.

It is not magic. It is simple.

You are not wrong. But do we need a forum for "How to get laid" ? It's not hard, and if you're flashing money it gets even easier. If you can't talk a girl out of her panties with 100 dollar bills, there's no amount of words in this forum that can help. And forget about hiding it from an SO, women can and WILL smell another woman on you if you are not extremely diligent.

[Airmantroy]

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...8-6aaeebb01369

She needs to advertise somewhere else, wants $300 for 30 and $500/ hr GTFOH then there are the No's on her list. Kissing, fingers, daty, anal yeah take that crap back to Texas and try selling it.

[Wleakr]

You really oversimplify this. I don't think many can do what he does. I have seen very very few people on here who can.

Yes, I am simplifying a bit. But to be fair, you have seen few on here do it because most on here are not looking for that.

The majority of the posts are PPM. Guys looking to get their rocks off, ideally with a chick that is low volume and not a pro escort. And for the ones with babies worth keeping, they are not posting them until they are completely done with them (or they never post them at all).

Do you know (and I'm sure you do) there are guys who have pretty hot, attractive, sexy long term side pieces and they don't pay a dime, other than dick. I'm not talking about "oh, we don't talk money, I just make sure she has what she needs and she reciprocates in taking care of my needs". No, actual attractive women getting nothing but dick and, in some cases, the dude is actually get money or some other material item from her!

Everybody plays the game in their own way, and I'm not judging. As long as you're good with the situation, is all that matters.

But for Admirer Secret, correct me if I'm wrong, this guy can't get off "Step 1". We're not even into the "how to hide this from my SO stage" or anything else.

We're talking just getting the type of fish he wants to jump in the boat. That shouldn't be an issue for a person with financial resources, even taking age in consideration, if the presentation is right. The issue should be you have so many to choose from that you spend too much time weeding through the noise.

One of the things you will always notice, regardless of the thread, strip clubs, escorts, sugar babies, etc, there are always guys that seem to get what they seek and then there are the other guys wondering how those guys are getting what they seek.

It is not magic. It is simple.

[FarFarAway]

That's the wrong line of thinking. JD is not a magic man or doing anything "special". The women are definitely there for the taking.

If your budget is high, as you state, the gates should be wide open. Location is no object. You can either fly to wherever they are or fly them to you. You actually have access to MORE women than the average user of sugar baby websites!

You really oversimplify this. I don't think many can do what he does. I have seen very very few people on here who can. It not only is about what the SBs go for, it is what he can get away with vis-a-vis the SO. I could never do for girls what he can because of surveillance from the warden. And another point, he is 20 years my junior. There are a few girls who are really kinky about the age gap, a lot more who are just fine with whatever age, and many who really don't want to bang granpa.

[Wleakr]

He spent $1000 per month (50 k for 4 years) I am spending more than that. My budget is also high. Foreign trip damn easy. Instead of my whole family (10 k) tickets just take that chick, by telling business trip to everyone and cancel yearly my foreign trips. My point is such girls exists less or we never find them. But he is a magic man.

That's the wrong line of thinking. JD is not a magic man or doing anything "special". The women are definitely there for the taking.

Is your goal to truly "sugar"? Have you gone through the Richmond sugar thread? If you've read through all that and still can't get what you're seeking, you have to work on what you can control on your end (presentation).

If your budget is high, as you state, the gates should be wide open. Location is no object. You can either fly to wherever they are or fly them to you. You actually have access to MORE women than the average user of sugar baby websites!

[Kingjack543]

Anyone have girls that they've met and fucked on Seeking. I have a couple I've done and would love to trade. Looking for white, Latina or Asian.

[AdmirerSecret]

He spent $1000 per month (50 k for 4 years) I am spending more than that. My budget is also high. Foreign trip damn easy. Instead of my whole family (10 k) tickets just take that chick, by telling business trip to everyone and cancel yearly my foreign trips. My point is such girls exists less or we never find them. But he is a magic man.

You need to read between the lines, bro.

JD has already mentioned he "provided a lot of incidentals". Even mentioned a trip to Paris for a chick.

If you are providing an all-expenses paid vacation for a chick, the smart ones aren't going to be too concerned with PPM.

It's really all about presentation and expectations. If you really trying to be on that JD level, set you expectations and work on your presentation. But if you don't have the resources to back it up, it's not going to be as simple to accomplish what he does. Also not likely to work if the person doesn't buy what your selling. If a chick can size you up at dinner that you're going to be the PPM guy, then you will be the PPM guy.

[Wleakr]

Are you damn handsome or something? How do you say I am your provider and will take care of you? When I did even for dinner girls are asking ppm. I don't have load of money, got some budget and even ready to go out for trips. They need each day $300 allowances.

You need to read between the lines, bro.

JD has already mentioned he "provided a lot of incidentals". Even mentioned a trip to Paris for a chick.

If you are providing an all-expenses paid vacation for a chick, the smart ones aren't going to be too concerned with PPM.

It's really all about presentation and expectations. If you really trying to be on that JD level, set you expectations and work on your presentation. But if you don't have the resources to back it up, it's not going to be as simple to accomplish what he does. Also not likely to work if the person doesn't buy what your selling. If a chick can size you up at dinner that you're going to be the PPM guy, then you will be the PPM guy.

[AdmirerSecret]

How do you convince or convey your message of below type of girl you are looking for? I tried a lot. Even I took them to restaurants and end of the day they need ppm $300 to $750. My bio also clearly says the same like " I am looking for a friend, companion. " But every girl I did chat on secret benefits asks for ppm or allowance.

Are you damn handsome or something? How do you say I am your provider and will take care of you? When I did even for dinner girls are asking ppm. I don't have load of money, got some budget and even ready to go out for trips. They need each day $300 allowances.

How do you find this kind of girl and what do you do to convince not for ppm?

As FarFarAway said, I didn't have a PPM or any sort of financial arrangement with these women; I didn't give them money to see me. That doesn't mean it was free, because as the old saying goes, there's no such thing as free pussy. That is absolutely true. Every transaction is a trade between two counterparties that have something the other wants, right? So what does a girl on Seeking want? Either she wants money or she wants something that she thinks is more valuable than money.

In my case, I specifically sought out self-described "good girls" that weren't comfortable with any sort of pay-to-play arrangement. These girls have typically signed up for Seeking because they (a) are tired of dating immature young guys, (b) are naturally attracted to older men and (c) like the idea of a successful man providing for them in a traditional way, but don't want to link it specifically to a quid pro quo for having sex. But again, it's never free. I didn't pay with cash, but I certainly paid with lots of time & attention. But that's exactly what I was willing to give. I wanted a girlfriend out of the deal and that's what I got. I'm in the minority though. Most guys on Seeking want a no strings attached fuck buddy and there's nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of women available on the site who are looking for the same thing and happy to give it to you for a small nominal fee.

Going back to the concept of free pussy.

[FarFarAway]

Seeking & SDM sites recently became more of scam sites, I am not talking about members. When you are a free member you won't have any issues but once you are a paid member to communicate with members the problem starts. These sites literally steal your money and they suspend you after they get your money.

For no reason, they suspend your accounts anytime due to automatic triggers that happen on the site on a regular basis and all your money will be gone. They clearly state there are no refunds.

I personally don't recommend using gift cards while getting a membership.

If you want to upgrade your membership only use Amex credit card. Some members want be anonymous and with amex you can use an alias name and can change the address. You can do dispute and block merchant with full refund in case seeking or SDM sites act up.

I would caution readers about this post. This is not the experience of most people, and the poster has a short track record. I would also suggest he hasn't done a lot of reading on this site about operational security. Opsec. There is a great collection of pointers on the sugar thread for Richmond, VA.

Everyone IK who is concerned about their privacy and not being linked back to the site, either by hacks, or by their SO, is using prepaid debit cards. There is a long history of posts about what works on the seeking site, I have contributed a lot of that info.

I would never never never give any personal information to the seeking site, including real photos of myself. The risks are too great for someone w / a professional career and a SO.

[LoriTruck]

https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userP...serId=72053869

Chatted with this one for a couple of weeks and we made plans to get together. She isn't mobile but checked all the boxes: pierced tongue, cute face, nice body. I used dayuse and got a nice hotel, $120 for 4 hours (cudos to the gentlemen that mentioned dayuse on here). I took full advantage and first hooked up with a girl named Ni as a warm up. She's been reviewed on here before and I was able to squeeze in a BBBJ and cfs for 100 prior to hooking up with Nina.

We had already agreed to skip the m / g and just head to the room. Upon picking up Nina, she mentions at least getting some drinks to break the ice. She initially wanted 300 for some fun but I told her 250 was my max. She agreed, we had drinks (which cut into the cash I had for fun later). We get to the room and I informed her I got 180, the rest will be cash apped when we're done. She goes on to give me a full lecture on how I'm not prepared and that I should've mentioned something earlier. At this point I'm ready to kick her out, I start putting my shoes back on, ready to drop her back off. She changes her mind and says we can proceed with the deed but at this point I could tell she had already checked out mentally and it would probably show in the session. She tells me money upfront then says everything is covered once I surrendered my coins.

I get comfortable and lay on my back then she tells me "Oh no! You're going to have to do some work. " Not wanting drama, I stand up and she attempts to apply the cover on my limp noodle while looking away like a point guard pulling off a no look pass. A half hearted hand job gets my soldier half way up. The cover goes on then she gets on her back and does something I've never had a girl do before. Fold her arms and look the other way. I've had girls get on all fours and put their chin in a palm. Like hurry up and finish but never had one fold her arms like a security guard at a night club entrance. Anyhow, I tried to encourage the little head to hang in there and not lose wood. I reminded him to just get it over with and we won't repeat. She refused cg, turned down doggie so I just took my time in mish until she suggested doggie if I would finish faster. I blew in the cover in doggie but stayed in as long as I could. Did she get her balance later? Yes. Will I repeat? No.

[LoriTruck]

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...7-4d4b09356b55

I was chatting with this one and she seemed legit. Said she had to fly out to Vegas to take care of some things and that we would meet upon her return. Upon returning, she informs me that her apartment was broken into and they took all her important stuff. She was waiting on the cops to arrive, mentioned she didn't feel safe there and that she would be staying at a friend's house. She should've left it at that. She proceeds to send me a picture her apartment door that was broken into. A quick Google search and the very 1st image that popped up revealed the same picture she sent of an apartment door broken into back in 2019. I didn't call her out on it. I just ignored her. Just wanting to see if the same shady sob story is being shared with others.

[JoyDrop]

Can you talk more about arrangements in dollers? How this works? You had ppm or allowance? How much you were spending per month on her?

As FarFarAway said, I didn't have a PPM or any sort of financial arrangement with these women; I didn't give them money to see me. That doesn't mean it was free, because as the old saying goes, there's no such thing as free pussy. That is absolutely true. Every transaction is a trade between two counterparties that have something the other wants, right? So what does a girl on Seeking want? Either she wants money or she wants something that she thinks is more valuable than money.

In my case, I specifically sought out self-described "good girls" that weren't comfortable with any sort of pay-to-play arrangement. These girls have typically signed up for Seeking because they (a) are tired of dating immature young guys, (b) are naturally attracted to older men and (c) like the idea of a successful man providing for them in a traditional way, but don't want to link it specifically to a quid pro quo for having sex. But again, it's never free. I didn't pay with cash, but I certainly paid with lots of time & attention. But that's exactly what I was willing to give. I wanted a girlfriend out of the deal and that's what I got. I'm in the minority though. Most guys on Seeking want a no strings attached fuck buddy and there's nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of women available on the site who are looking for the same thing and happy to give it to you for a small nominal fee.

Going back to the concept of free pussy. Let's do the quick math on girlfriend #2. We lived two hours apart and saw each other every week, almost always for an overnight. Every week that was $150 for the hotel, $50 for dinner (at least) and $50 for gas. Multiply that by 50 weeks a year for 4 years and all that "free" pussy only cost me $50 k. I added it up once and in reality I spent closer to 75 k on her over that period of time, but there were lots of incidentals and I took her on several vacations including a trip to Paris at the end of our relationship to celebrate our time together. Was it worth it? Hell yes it was worth it. I had a super hot 20-something in her sexual prime enthusiastically fucking my brains out every week. I'd do it again in a heartbeat, and as a matter of fact I already am LOL. My current gf is an absolute goddess and treats me better than any woman I've ever been with. We've been together close to 2 years and I know that this is the peak experience for me. I can't imagine I'll ever be in a better situation than what I've got now. So I'm just going to live in the moment and enjoy this ride as long as it lasts. Again, I know my approach isn't for everyone, but the bowl can be a very rewarding / fulfilling experience if that's what you're looking for.