Trying this Sugar Baby thing.

[StormyStrokes]

Did you insist on Facetiming you before meeting? I was going to give her the runaround but she insisted on factoring before we meet in-person, which I wasn't inclined to do.

She insisted on doing a FaceTime and matter of fact I actually wanted it. So we did the face time. But once we decided to meet, she started a BS story saying that she was scammed by a dude and didn't get paid for the date. So she wants half the money at the time of initial public meet. And I obviously declined that. Then she said, she can ride with me to her place after the meet. She didn't raise any red flags at the time. So I agreed. Once we met I paid her and she went to the "restroom" and never came back.

[DriveHard]

My philosophy on this has done a 180 over the past 6-7 years. Back in the day M&G was the norm and a small gift was a courtesy for their time. Some breadcrumbs basically, letting them know you were serious if things did progress. Now a days a M&G isn't even needed. Most of these chicks are ready to go immediately. I get a room and they come to me, or I go to them.

The only time I propose to meet for drinks is if I'm suspect about their pics or real age. If they want to meet for a coffee or a quick meet in public to prove we are both real I am fine with that too. But I am not paying anything for a hello.

If someone is demanding a gift for meeting for dinner they are a rinser / scammer. Move on. Don't be used like that.

Thanks, I might try a 180 as well. I have skipped the meet and greet previously, if I found a good review on here or could tell by the account age and pic verification that the woman was likely to show. The main reason I do the meet and great though is to weed out women with weird behaviors, odd smells, drunks, etc.

I know why we are all on this board. Sometimes those that are willing to smash quickly, usually aren't the ones I want to see longer term though. Guess I'm still Unicorn hunting.

[Grasshopping]

Yeah, I wrote about her a month ago. She has been changing user names on Seeking. Luckily my interaction didn't go that far. What a skank she is. Report her on there. She is a junkie.

Did you insist on Facetiming you before meeting? I was going to give her the runaround but she insisted on factoring before we meet in-person, which I wasn't inclined to do.

[StormyStrokes]

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...2-0bb628538de3

Shortly after our date in the parking lot of the restaurant, a man in a pick-up truck came and attempted to mace me. She attempted to rob me. I bolted and called the police shortly after.

She has gone by different usernames in the past. Avoid like the plague.

Yeah, I wrote about her a month ago. She has been changing user names on Seeking. Luckily my interaction didn't go that far. What a skank she is. Report her on there. She is a junkie.

[Hal1957]

Yeah, they really don't like being compared with cars and such. If the ask is outrageous I just block and move on. If the ask is a little more than what I consider reasonable, I say that's a little more than normal for this area. If we're both satisfied and decide to move forward, I think we'll be able to work something out. Or. I could do that if we (fill in the blank with overnight or something a bit kinky, maybe). If she doesn't come down to where I want to be, I thank her but don't block. If you don't piss them off or insult them, there's a good chance that ask will come down even further in a few days. And FFS, don't pay in advance. Even half in advance and she could be gone when you come back from the bathroom.

Short and sweet.

She seems real, and DTF if you just roll with the ppm she asks for.

More details.

We chatted on site until we discussed meeting and then we exchanged numbers. I asked her can she host or do I need to. She said she can't host and 600 ppm. I said I wasn't thinking that much and she immediately replied broke *****, LOL. I then texted, do you think successful people get their money by paying whatever and not negotiating their business deals, houses, or cars? She replied back with?? And then said let her know if I changed my mind. But with the quick and sudden attitude change, I knew I was out. She looks very good in her profile pics and maybe some guys or someone paid her 600 ppm before. She immediately blocked me on SA, so I can't provide a link but the title is her profile name.

[DLE251]

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...2-0bb628538de3

Shortly after our date in the parking lot of the restaurant, a man in a pick-up truck came and attempted to mace me. She attempted to rob me. I bolted and called the police shortly after.

She has gone by different usernames in the past. Avoid like the plague.

[Banger12]

Short and sweet.

do you think successful people get their money by paying whatever and not negotiating their business deals, houses, or cars? .

You should have told her that successful people make their money by compounding interest over an extended period of time. Would have blown her mind.

[AkaToneloc]

Short and sweet.

She seems real, and DTF if you just roll with the ppm she asks for.

More details.

We chatted on site until we discussed meeting and then we exchanged numbers. I asked her can she host or do I need to. She said she can't host and 600 ppm. I said I wasn't thinking that much and she immediately replied broke *****, LOL. I then texted, do you think successful people get their money by paying whatever and not negotiating their business deals, houses, or cars? She replied back with?? And then said let her know if I changed my mind. But with the quick and sudden attitude change, I knew I was out. She looks very good in her profile pics and maybe some guys or someone paid her 600 ppm before. She immediately blocked me on SA, so I can't provide a link but the title is her profile name.

[Banger12]

Gents. Meet and greets are the norm for me and I've always provided a gift. The desire for a 2nd meet drives the gift choice. It has always been an unexpected gift, I never meet when she asks for something as a condition of the meet and greet. Lately, it seems all the young ladies that I really want to meet are demanding a gift. How are you all navigating through this? I caved once and agreed. Got burned, as expected.

Have any strategies that would help? It seems I'm missing out for the sake of not getting burned.

My philosophy on this has done a 180 over the past 6-7 years. Back in the day M&G was the norm and a small gift was a courtesy for their time. Some breadcrumbs basically, letting them know you were serious if things did progress. Now a days a M&G isn't even needed. Most of these chicks are ready to go immediately. I get a room and they come to me, or I go to them.

The only time I propose to meet for drinks is if I'm suspect about their pics or real age. If they want to meet for a coffee or a quick meet in public to prove we are both real I am fine with that too. But I am not paying anything for a hello.

If someone is demanding a gift for meeting for dinner they are a rinser / scammer. Move on. Don't be used like that.

[FiveOfSix]

Well of course, that's what I always say and that's where it always ends. Any tips to get past that point for the ones that are not scamming and simply have GPS?

It's just like in business. If you're not willing to get up from the table (or conversation) you've already lost.

[DriveHard]

One thing I've done is get a second meeting scheduled that depends on both feeling into after the first. I've found that scheduling a second does help sometimes with some women as dudes being flaky and not being serious is a problem for them too. This helps with those actually serious. Hell, if she shows a willingness, I've hopped on Hotwire and got a room while we were finishing our drinks.

Thanks, I'll give that a try. The one I'm dealing with right now specifically used the word 'flakey' as the justification for the gift demand.

[Bruco]

Well of course, that's what I always say and that's where it always ends. Any tips to get past that point for the ones that are not scamming and simply have GPS?

One thing I've done is get a second meeting scheduled that depends on both feeling into after the first. I've found that scheduling a second does help sometimes with some women as dudes being flaky and not being serious is a problem for them too. This helps with those actually serious. Hell, if she shows a willingness, I've hopped on Hotwire and got a room while we were finishing our drinks.

[DriveHard]

No is a complete sentence.

Well of course, that's what I always say and that's where it always ends. Any tips to get past that point for the ones that are not scamming and simply have GPS?

[FiveOfSix]

Gents. Meet and greets are the norm for me and I've always provided a gift. The desire for a 2nd meet drives the gift choice. It has always been an unexpected gift, I never meet when she asks for something as a condition of the meet and greet. Lately, it seems all the young ladies that I really want to meet are demanding a gift. How are you all navigating through this? I caved once and agreed. Got burned, as expected.

Have any strategies that would help? It seems I'm missing out for the sake of not getting burned.

No is a complete sentence.

[BussaNut]

Gents. Meet and greets are the norm for me and I've always provided a gift. The desire for a 2nd meet drives the gift choice. It has always been an unexpected gift, I never meet when she asks for something as a condition of the meet and greet. Lately, it seems all the young ladies that I really want to meet are demanding a gift. How are you all navigating through this? I caved once and agreed. Got burned, as expected.

Have any strategies that would help? It seems I'm missing out for the sake of not getting burned.

I never provide anything for a meet and greet. The second meet depends upon there physical attraction to you. We meet. If we both attracted to one another then it's a deal. Stop providing free gifts. They going to screw you based upon the money and the attraction.