"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[GoneForGood97]

I assume you're referring to the scam where they choose a restaurant that they are in cahoots with and run up a massive tab?

I never let them choose the place. I have had some go so far as to even make a reservation at a place without talking to me about where we're going, but of maybe three times that's ever happened that I can recall, I just politely said I had already chosen a place and met them at that place instead. But it's worth mentioning that the girl should never be allowed to choose the place, just to be safe. Her friend could work there and if nothing else convey your real name if you pay with CC (I recommend cash).

About the closest I've gotten to a dinner scam is maybe every now and then a girl orders an extra side that she knows she won't eat at the table so she can have some food to go. I'm not going to complain about another $11 or whatever in the quest for pussy.

I don't know about any kind of scam, but a common tactic for some SBs and also girls on vanilla dating sites is called "rinsing. " A "rinser" is basically just looking to rinse as many guys as she can for free dinners / drinks etc without ever putting out. One of the big reasons I do coffee or drinks and usually avoid a full dinner on the first date is it automatically filters out the rinsers. Rinsers have a lot in common with wannabe insta models and influencers. Of course, if you're charming enough a girl who had planned on rinsing you may end up going to bed with you, but that's a low odds game.

I also get the feeling, and this is completely just a guess based on the patterns I've seen doing this over a year, but I suspect rinsing has become slightly less common and most rinsers have moved to trying to get SDs to pay for content instead. That's just speculation on my part.

[OliverNP]

Alot of girls on vanilla dating apps do the dinner scam crap too I've read so it's pretty common.

I assume you're referring to the scam where they choose a restaurant that they are in cahoots with and run up a massive tab?

I never let them choose the place. I have had some go so far as to even make a reservation at a place without talking to me about where we're going, but of maybe three times that's ever happened that I can recall, I just politely said I had already chosen a place and met them at that place instead. But it's worth mentioning that the girl should never be allowed to choose the place, just to be safe. Her friend could work there and if nothing else convey your real name if you pay with CC (I recommend cash).

About the closest I've gotten to a dinner scam is maybe every now and then a girl orders an extra side that she knows she won't eat at the table so she can have some food to go. I'm not going to complain about another $11 or whatever in the quest for pussy.

[LouisHernandez]

Agree with 100% of what you said, If you drop $80 for a lunch & another $250 for a couple hours of banging a mid 20's coed bareback then it's a great investment. Even if the $80 lunch / dinner only works half the time. My first date off of SA I took there, she never asked for money, my first anal experience, my first strange in over 25 years, woke me up with a BBBJ to completion which was the first in several years for me, one of the reasons why I now look for bbbj to completion.

This was my favorite spot in Savannah when I lived there, the booths were great as it was very private plus very upscale. I took around 20 girls to this place over 3 years, & only struck out once.

https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/tang...i-bar-savannah

Nothing wrong with a lunch date instead of a simple coffee date and it can payoff vs paying $10 for coffee. I've been high dollar dinner scammed a few times so I avoid the "expensive dinner date" requests on a first meeting. Alot of girls on vanilla dating apps do the dinner scam crap too I've read so it's pretty common.

[DudeNextDoor]

I talked to her under a different profile a little while back and my spidey senses were activated as well. The language in this profile is pretty much the same as I remember it to be in the other. So right off the bat she's lying about being new to this. I recall in one conversation she said she had just gotten back from her first meet up from the site. They went to dinner and shopping. After a while she stopped responding to my texts after I tried to set up a meeting. Maybe keep the meeting on the books and keep talking just to see what happens. Hopefully you've asked to meet in a public location first.

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...7-f149ebe57bcb

Great conversation so far. Great pics too. Pretty agreeable on allowance. Still, something seems off. Like, you can only text her in the morning. Anytime after that, any texts I send are not delivered. Then, the next morning, the process repeats itself. We're supposed to meet next Sat, but my spidey senses are activated.

Anyone have experience with her?

[MariettaJoe]

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...f-d8ee08c47e02

Scammer, avoid.

[PoonHound1969]

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...7-f149ebe57bcb

Great conversation so far. Great pics too. Pretty agreeable on allowance. Still, something seems off. Like, you can only text her in the morning. Anytime after that, any texts I send are not delivered. Then, the next morning, the process repeats itself. We're supposed to meet next Sat, but my spidey senses are activated.

Anyone have experience with her?

Just meet her for coffee, check Id, over 18 off to fuck city.

[SeekingHead]

Exactly. This is the way.

Truth is, if I find a girl where we click, that's obviously the goal. But if it's not good, generally the worst case is I've had a nice meal with some pleasant (or at least visually pleasing) company.

If it's going horribly off the rails, I can usually tell well before food is ordered. I've definitely dropped a Ulysses or Benjamin with the waiter and bailed, but that's been a couple or three times in almost a decade of playing this game. On the other hand, I've found myself having an unplanned (and unpaid) after dinner tryst far more frequently and I say that as a fat, middle-aged, guy who's primary charms are humor, knowledge, and manners.

Agree with 100% of what you said, If you drop $80 for a lunch & another $250 for a couple hours of banging a mid 20's coed bareback then it's a great investment. Even if the $80 lunch / dinner only works half the time. My first date off of SA I took there, she never asked for money, my first anal experience, my first strange in over 25 years, woke me up with a BBBJ to completion which was the first in several years for me, one of the reasons why I now look for bbbj to completion.

This was my favorite spot in Savannah when I lived there, the booths were great as it was very private plus very upscale. I took around 20 girls to this place over 3 years, & only struck out once.

https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/tang...i-bar-savannah

[ColoHobbyist]

Maybe $165 on average, but it's usually only for the M&G, and since more than half the food and drink cost is for my own consumption (and I like good food), it has almost never turned out to be a bad investment.

Exactly. This is the way.

Truth is, if I find a girl where we click, that's obviously the goal. But if it's not good, generally the worst case is I've had a nice meal with some pleasant (or at least visually pleasing) company.

If it's going horribly off the rails, I can usually tell well before food is ordered. I've definitely dropped a Ulysses or Benjamin with the waiter and bailed, but that's been a couple or three times in almost a decade of playing this game. On the other hand, I've found myself having an unplanned (and unpaid) after dinner tryst far more frequently and I say that as a fat, middle-aged, guy who's primary charms are humor, knowledge, and manners.

[TylerDurden07]

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...7-f149ebe57bcb

Great conversation so far. Great pics too. Pretty agreeable on allowance. Still, something seems off. Like, you can only text her in the morning. Anytime after that, any texts I send are not delivered. Then, the next morning, the process repeats itself. We're supposed to meet next Sat, but my spidey senses are activated.

Anyone have experience with her?

[LouisHernandez]

Others have observed here over time that giving a SB too much is counterproductive. It reduces their interest in the experience, in favor of the cash.

Famous joke:

Guy in a bar, to a girl: Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?

Girl: I guess so.

Guy: Would you sleep with me for $100.

Girl: NO! What kind of a girl do you think I am?

Guy: We've already established that. We're just haggling about price.

Truly, if I had to give a girl a kilobuck to bang me, my sorry ass should just give up. She wouldn't be doing it for anything other than the dough, right? Exactly the opposite of the situation I want, and the reason I don't go to pros. I want a girl to be into having a good time in the FC, and the $ is the way that it makes sense for her when I am 60+ and she is 22.

I typically won't even engage a SB if any talk about money is brought up before we have sex. The logic is as follows: sex that comes "naturally" is exponentially better than the kind that has to be paid for in advance. It's a clear line in the sand I draw to make this whole "hobby" justifiable. It's also a great way to filter low class "pro" women who have no moral compass and who can get a man in a whole lot of trouble. And when I say "in advance" I admit I've succumbed if they asked how much literally as our clothes are coming off. And in those cases I've never had any repeat meetings with any of those women. After services are rendered, we can figure out the price based on how good those services were.

[LouisHernandez]

I've never paid more than $500 (and only on two occasions) but that was well worth it (at least the first time). But if I had 10 x more money than I do, then of course some girls would be worth $1 k for a single BFS CIP session. Not a lot, but some, for sure.

It's just a question of how much entertainment and pleasure value do you get for $1000 and how much is that amount of $ worth to you. To a billionaire, it would be incredibly insignificant, like one of us paying $1. Or even to a multi-millionaire, $1 k is not that much. Many of them earn that every few hours, through passive income.

Also, another question would be if you got more pleasure from one $1000 girl than from four $250 girls. That is certainly true in some cases.

So the right girl, on the right day is certainly worth $1000, or more, but I'm not paying it, at least not right now. I could see doing it once, for a true dream girl. I am often losing thousands of $s in an hour, with my crypto holdings, so sometimes I feel like I should spend it before I lose it, even though that doesn't really make sense.

I guess that's what hunter biden was paying for his ****** with Daddy's influence peddling monies from Ukraine and China. I will give crackhead credit, he didn't bang anything low quality. Clearly you can spend a crapload of money on super high priced pros but I bet a bunch of the times he got robbed / screwed over.

[LouisHernandez]

You pay for it. She's a pro. Stop fooling yourself.

There's a difference between a SB and an escort. But some SB's are defacto escorts and I avoid those. No pussy is free, ask Bill Gates and Tiger Woods.

[GoneForGood97]

First, dinner with me is never $50. Including drinks at a nice place and the tip alone might be thirty bucks. If anyone is trying to take a hot girl out to eat where the total bill is $50 that's a big part of why they aren't finding success. Second, one should understand that there is not really such a thing as a $1 k girl at all. That is just the price she quotes to someone she didn't really want to fuck in the first place. The art is in being someone she does want to fuck. Being attractive (and tremendously important, physically fit) for ones age indeed goes along way but there is much more to being skilled in handling women than just looks.

There are certainly some who are just high priced escorts and their GPS is not really up for negotiation, but when I sense that type I move on quickly.

I need to point out that a guy's physical attractiveness is less important the better your game is. I'm an unattractive guy by any standard (and have definitely had potentials just stop messaging me after getting my pic) but I've found that for the vast, vast majority of these girls, looks are way less important than someone that treats them as more than a piece of meat. Awhile back I posted a story about an absolute knockout I smashed, way way out of my league, and got inside her for way less than other guys. The reason why is I didn't come off like a creep or treat her like a wh*re before we ever met (some of you might remember that story, I posted a screenshot she sent to me of another SD's initial message to her, and he used the same user name here as he did on seeking. Needless to say he saw the error of his ways, learned his lesson and is now a better monger. Just kidding, he apparently posted a rant on this board and got banned, further proving my point).

One of the SBs I'm currently seeing does honest-to-god modeling as a side gig, and if looks mattered at all she'd never have given me the light of day, ESPECIALLY since I know her other couple of SDs pay more than me. But I treat her like a person, make sure she enjoys her time with me both socially and sexually, and we get along great.

I'll also say that treating someone like a person is NOT simping. Simping is debasing yourself. My other SB was bitching to me just the other day about this guy who is trying to get into her pants, and he's simping HARD for her. Helped fix her car, stops by her work randomly and will just bring lunch that she didn't ask for. Once she realized he was simping, she lost all interest (she didn't have much to begin with, but as soon as he became her doormat he became unfuckable), but you better believe she takes the freebies he's throwing along, all the while she keeps telling him she's not interested. But he keeps trying, because he's a simp. And of course anyone who sends $ before ever meeting someone qualifies as well.

Gentlemen, woman already have one pussy. They don't need you to be another one.

[Wleakr]

I've never paid more than $500 (and only on two occasions) but that was well worth it (at least the first time). But if I had 10 x more money than I do, then of course some girls would be worth $1 k for a single BFS CIP session. Not a lot, but some, for sure.

It's just a question of how much entertainment and pleasure value do you get for $1000 and how much is that amount of $ worth to you. To a billionaire, it would be incredibly insignificant, like one of us paying $1. Or even to a multi-millionaire, $1 k is not that much. Many of them earn that every few hours, through passive income.

Also, another question would be if you got more pleasure from one $1000 girl than from four $250 girls. That is certainly true in some cases.

So the right girl, on the right day is certainly worth $1000, or more, but I'm not paying it, at least not right now. I could see doing it once, for a true dream girl. I am often losing thousands of $s in an hour, with my crypto holdings, so sometimes I feel like I should spend it before I lose it, even though that doesn't really make sense.

Guess it depends on your point of view.

In my mind, a millionaire, at least one with notoriety (like an entertainer or athlete), is probably not paying anything at all, as girls are actively attempting to be their airspace and compete for their attention. Some are opening their legs in hopes of "trapping" a man in the long term. Granted, when that happens, they are getting paid in the long run, but for the ones where that doesn't happen it's back to the pool.

For the millionaires that aren't famous, they may find value in spending that much and taking risk that the experience would actually be worth it. As you say, if you have money to throw away, it doesn't matter I guess.

If you're someone that needs some serious fantasies fulfilled, I could possibly see paying a bit for that (not 1 K, though). But just a regular "get my rocks off" session that may take 5 - 60 minutes to complete? Definitely not 1 K, regardless of how "hot" she is.

[Peter Johnson]

I would hope all of us can agree on this. Because it's true!

I've never paid more than $500 (and only on two occasions) but that was well worth it (at least the first time). But if I had 10 x more money than I do, then of course some girls would be worth $1 k for a single BFS CIP session. Not a lot, but some, for sure.

It's just a question of how much entertainment and pleasure value do you get for $1000 and how much is that amount of $ worth to you. To a billionaire, it would be incredibly insignificant, like one of us paying $1. Or even to a multi-millionaire, $1 k is not that much. Many of them earn that every few hours, through passive income.

Also, another question would be if you got more pleasure from one $1000 girl than from four $250 girls. That is certainly true in some cases.

So the right girl, on the right day is certainly worth $1000, or more, but I'm not paying it, at least not right now. I could see doing it once, for a true dream girl. I am often losing thousands of $s in an hour, with my crypto holdings, so sometimes I feel like I should spend it before I lose it, even though that doesn't really make sense.