"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[WoodstockShane]

We got off on a tangent about markets and prices. (Sorry. My fault, although I think a few of us found the exchange of differing opinions on the subject to be interesting).

Now to resurrect a discussion that got pushed down that was on topic:

Has anyone seen MistressforMoney or SouthernHockeyGirl lately? I can't find my contact information for them, and I can't find their profiles on SA either. I'm hoping one or both is still in the SB game. I've been in a mood for a MILF lately.

I could have sworn I saw her profile pop back up a few weeks ago. She must've taken it back down, because a search brought up nothing. I'm pretty sure she's still out there though.

[WillDuff]

Saw her a year ago at hotel in Alpharetta. Seemed to go pretty good, talked a bit, did the deed and she said she had a headache. I said I'd go to desk and see if any aspirin or shit. Took all my stuff of course but when got back she was gone. Took the stairs I assume. Really funny that there was no need to. I don't remember the sex so that must say it wasn't stellar. $200 I'm pretty sure.

Sofia.

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...a-e4e1102c86b3

I chatted with her briefly via text, and I offered up a PPM of $350. She basically told me that she's not sure that we will ever come to an arrangement and the comms have dropped way off. Has anyone else seen her?

Southern Gal.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...f-7ffe21428a2f

I've exchanged a few messages with her, and it's gone basically nowhere. Perhaps I'm not her type. Again curious if anyone has any info about her. She seems to have been on the site for a while, but her activity is sporadic.

BronzeBeauty.

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...d-dc9977cd959b

Exchanged a few messages with her. Seems real. Wants to meet up for lunch this week, I suppose to discuss arrangements. She's not the youngest woman out there, but I like her look.

[Ripvan12]

A lot of good points being made by a few different posters. My 2 cents:

2) Bezos will outbid you every time, but Bezos isn't bidding Ferrari prices for a Ford either. My original post I wasn't scolding the guy for paying too much necessarily, just pointing out that he's paying new sports car prices for a used sedan so to speak. Someone can pay $300 for a haircut or get a $30 cut, that's up to them and their preference. But walking into a "Great Clips" or other budget salon and paying 300 for a 30 haircut isn't a great decision, and if I see a guy doing it, I feel like I should give them a heads up they are way overpaying.

G4 G this is a great summary. I see both sides of the argument, and there's great nuance here. Ripper.

[NewAnonymousName]

Quoting myself, but seeing Mistyefire post a couple years after I used to see her got me thinking about other experiences with MILFs from Seeking.

Whatever happened to MistressforMoney? I searched for her on SA and came up empty. Maybe she blocked me. Has anyone seen her recently? She was a great time.

What about Southern Hockey Girl? Same thing -- I can't find her profile anymore, but she was a blast.

We got off on a tangent about markets and prices. (Sorry. My fault, although I think a few of us found the exchange of differing opinions on the subject to be interesting).

Now to resurrect a discussion that got pushed down that was on topic:

Has anyone seen MistressforMoney or SouthernHockeyGirl lately? I can't find my contact information for them, and I can't find their profiles on SA either. I'm hoping one or both is still in the SB game. I've been in a mood for a MILF lately.

[SeekingHead]

Sounds like a fun friend to have. My stratospherically rich friends are on the straight and narrow in their marriages, so no such luck for me and my (comparatively) measly seven figure net worth.

Wait until they get divorced & go fucking crazy like he did. Dude was a nerd in school, married a homely ass fat girl who pumped him out 3 kids & just got fatter. Once she shut the pussy down he started to step out until a white knight ratted him out to the church congregation prompting her to file for divorce. After he wrote her a $7 million check, 1/2 of his net worth at the time he went fucking bonkers, I was married during this time & missed out per another buddy on some crazy ass vegas vacations.

[NewAnonymousName]

I've seen the upper market for sugar babies as I have a friend who I've been a wingman for in Naples where he did have a 2nd home "Irma took out the entire structure" Now we are both single & in our early 50's, I'm pretty well off with an annual income of over $200 k a year, & can afford to drop about $2 k a month on sugar related activities. He has a net worth just past $25 million & earns over $1 million a year just off of his dental practice to give you an idea of his spending power.

The higher end sugar babies are not on SA but you find them at $1 k a night dinners for political fund raisers or at a $500 a ticket white tie party for the SPCA. About 50% of them are late 20's to mid 30's models who have been in magazines or other photo shoots, failed actresses who have gotten some screen time, etc. Ie the trophy wife circuit.

It's much more of a mistress type of arrangement where you are dropping $5 to 10 k a month to keep them in their lifestyle, and the majority of them are looking to marry a whale like him not sugar date for more than 12 months. I went out with them & one of her friends who was a solid 9, after a few more dates with her which I couldn't really afford, & once she found out I didn't have a $10 million net worth she pretty much ghosted me. I've seen some solid 10's with Harvey Weinstein types who you know are paying thru the nose to be with them at these functions.

Sounds like a fun friend to have. My stratospherically rich friends are on the straight and narrow in their marriages, so no such luck for me and my (comparatively) measly seven figure net worth.

[SeekingHead]

A lot of good points being made by a few different posters. My 2 cents:


3) The market supports what the market supports. Fortunately, there's a much larger supply of SBs than Bezos SDs, and most SDs in the higher earner market aren't playing in the same market as I am. They can pay top dollar for the wannabe instagram models, I'm very content with my 200-300 alt / hippy girls and late 20's single moms.

I've seen the upper market for sugar babies as I have a friend who I've been a wingman for in Naples where he did have a 2nd home "Irma took out the entire structure" Now we are both single & in our early 50's, I'm pretty well off with an annual income of over $200 k a year, & can afford to drop about $2 k a month on sugar related activities. He has a net worth just past $25 million & earns over $1 million a year just off of his dental practice to give you an idea of his spending power.

The higher end sugar babies are not on SA but you find them at $1 k a night dinners for political fund raisers or at a $500 a ticket white tie party for the SPCA. About 50% of them are late 20's to mid 30's models who have been in magazines or other photo shoots, failed actresses who have gotten some screen time, etc. Ie the trophy wife circuit.

It's much more of a mistress type of arrangement where you are dropping $5 to 10 k a month to keep them in their lifestyle, and the majority of them are looking to marry a whale like him not sugar date for more than 12 months. I went out with them & one of her friends who was a solid 9, after a few more dates with her which I couldn't really afford, & once she found out I didn't have a $10 million net worth she pretty much ghosted me. I've seen some solid 10's with Harvey Weinstein types who you know are paying thru the nose to be with them at these functions.

[MrVmp]

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...4-3dcf2a2099c9

Chic messaged me on Secret Benefits and the Seeking site. I subscribed to Secret Benefits a month and a half ago and she messaged back wanting $250 ppm. She would cum to me but when I googled her number, I came back with this:

https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/a...cials/48298743

Smdh. She promised 2 pops but I don't trust the word of any chic that posted on Listcrawler. Smh. She was only posted on Listcrawler for 2 days though. Anyone seen her?

She hit me up on SA. I was willing to give her a try whenever I would be near her area. She regularly text me asking to see me, and I would tell her I was busy, and didn't know when I'd be down in her area. Last message she sent to me was asking if I could be "generous" and she'll do something for me virtually, so I blocked her after that.

[GoneForGood97]

You've hit on a point I've made consistently -- why should wealthy men hold back to keep the market low for others. If I really want someone, I do what it takes within my means, whether in sugar babying or real dating. The guys complaining about keeping prices down will get outbid by me. Jeff Bezos will outbid me every time. So will you, it would seem from your post. But that's just fine. If you've got a giant bankroll as a weapon in your arsenal, none of us should be telling you not to fight off your competition without using it.

I find your comment about turning the would be escorts into long-term babies to be an interesting one too. Many here deride that approach as "captain save a ho." But I understand it. I've done it a few times. It was fruitless more often. The couple times it worked out, it was great. Don't get me wrong. I'm not out there trying to rescue drug abusers and the equivalent of backpage girls (or whatever sites replaced it).

A lot of good points being made by a few different posters. My 2 cents:

1) The SA sub price chases away most of the truly "cheap" guys who waste their time and gas running after the LC / STG girls and wasting way more of their time and energy than they might otherwise spend if they went a little higher quality or even the SB route. It's my read that MOST of the guys that regularly post here are NOT the "cheap" guys.

2) Bezos will outbid you every time, but Bezos isn't bidding Ferrari prices for a Ford either. My original post I wasn't scolding the guy for paying too much necessarily, just pointing out that he's paying new sports car prices for a used sedan so to speak. Someone can pay $300 for a haircut or get a $30 cut, that's up to them and their preference. But walking into a "Great Clips" or other budget salon and paying 300 for a 30 haircut isn't a great decision, and if I see a guy doing it, I feel like I should give them a heads up they are way overpaying.

3) The market supports what the market supports. Fortunately, there's a much larger supply of SBs than Bezos SDs, and most SDs in the higher earner market aren't playing in the same market as I am. They can pay top dollar for the wannabe instagram models, I'm very content with my 200-300 alt / hippy girls and late 20's single moms.

[WoodstockShane]

No. They're not missing the point. The point you keep trying to make with your over paying "argument is the exact same point others are trying to make with raising the market. If I as an older dude pay a beautiful younger woman $400 to spend to bang when I have the time to do so, means she's getting some extra bucks because I'm older and most likely outside the norm of what she is usually attracted to. A younger man who's good looking and in better shape can most likely pay a lot less. That's the truth here. If you're looking for market priced ho's head over to list crawler.

The market decides how much these girls are worth. And individually, we are one small part of the market <-- Again. BS. No one on this board has the right to say what a woman is worth to another man. Period. If you do that, it's just out of spite. Market economics surely don't apply to the sugar world unless you're taking to UTR list crawler chicks that are having upwards of 10 dates every week, and have 'set their own market" for their services. The young college girl, the cute soccer mom. They don't operate this way.

If you think that all the complaining about those paying higher prices will suddenly lead to a massive market correction for SB's. You're just pissing in the wind. It only serves to keep SB adventures to themselves, and not have to listen to the same few dudes crying about it.

Stay Frosty.

[2me4Looking2]

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...8-2d00645286e9

Anyone tried this one before?

We chatted and moved to text, but she wanted 1000 ppm and wasn't open to negotiating. I politely declined.

[NewAnonymousName]

You are partly missing the point of many of the comments on this topic. It is about not "holding back". It's about overpaying for what you can get for less. If it turns you on to pay $500 for a girl who would accept $250, then go for it, but you are still overpaying.

The market decides how much these girls are worth.. and individually, we are one small part of the market. The point is to not pay above the market price, unless again, you have a fetish for doing so, in which case I suppose carry on..

There are more reasons to pay extra on a case by case basis than simply "a fetish for doing so." For example:

-- It's true that a general market as you describe exists. But the market price doesn't apply to every data point within it. If there's a woman who insists on more (despite efforts to get her to take less), one might overpay versus the market just to close the deal with that particular woman.

-- In other cases, with an inexperienced younger sugar baby (not a hardened veteran), overpaying the first time can get her comfortable and set the stage for a better long term arrangement (assuming, of course, that a longer term arrangement is your goal).

-- Paying more can save lots of time spent messaging countless additional women trying to find one who will take less. This is the reason for me when I'm traveling. I don't generally overpay, but I do when I'm out of town and need to close a deal for that specific night. I overpay every now and then at home too when I'm swamped at work. For very busy professionals, I think this is the most common reason.

A fetish for overpaying seems a lot less likely to me as a motivator than the reasons above. And there may be other rational reasons to overpay than just these from off the top of my head.

[Parrot Scope]

You are partly missing the point of many of the comments on this topic. It is about not "holding back". It's about overpaying for what you can get for less. If it turns you on to pay $500 for a girl who would accept $250, then go for it, but you are still overpaying.

The market decides how much these girls are worth.. and individually, we are one small part of the market. The point is to not pay above the market price, unless again, you have a fetish for doing so, in which case I suppose carry on..

Thank you!!

Finally a poster on here who has some damn sense!

Why pay $50 for a snicker bar, when they really cost $2?

Hurry durr durr I'm rich so it's not my problem you don't want to buy the $50 Snickers bar.

[Peter Johnson]

You've hit on a point I've made consistently -- why should wealthy men hold back to keep the market low for others. .

You are partly missing the point of many of the comments on this topic. It is about not "holding back". It's about overpaying for what you can get for less. If it turns you on to pay $500 for a girl who would accept $250, then go for it, but you are still overpaying.

The market decides how much these girls are worth.. and individually, we are one small part of the market. The point is to not pay above the market price, unless again, you have a fetish for doing so, in which case I suppose carry on..

[Apollo007]

One of you mongers must have face f at #k her hard. She wants 400 with no head. She said she had a bad experience with and old SD. Everything was a go till she threw out the 400. I replied I usually do 200 with head, and golly, never heard back from her?

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...a-3e7a50d98039