"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

**GoneForGood97** · 04-23-22 18:09

Originally Posted by WoodstockShane [View Original Post]

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...b-182d8b519dd9

She first quoted me $7 ppm because "that's what she was paid before". She came down from that price to $5. Based on our messaging and her pics, I figured it was worth the try. The night before, she texts me asking if I'll pay her more, because of "fuel prices". By this time, I was thinking with the wrong head and agreed. An hour before she is supposed to show up, she texts to cancel. Shit happens, but I'm not the kind of guy that takes kindly to BS like that. She has since texted me several times looking to reschedule, but I haven't bitten because like I said in a previous post, I have a SB that doesn't give me that type of grief.

Good luck and Stay Frosty.

WS.

If you still want to see her, you could theoretically use this to get a better PPM. Reply back to her, let her know you'd still love to see her, but $700 is the "100% dependable rate" and since she canceled, you'll need to do *insert amount here* until she's proven her dependability again. If she bitches or argues, move on.

Though if you're paying $500 to these girls you're not getting value. You can find prettier for cheaper.

**WoodstockShane** · 04-22-22 12:05

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...b-182d8b519dd9

She first quoted me $7 ppm because "that's what she was paid before". She came down from that price to $5. Based on our messaging and her pics, I figured it was worth the try. The night before, she texts me asking if I'll pay her more, because of "fuel prices". By this time, I was thinking with the wrong head and agreed. An hour before she is supposed to show up, she texts to cancel. Shit happens, but I'm not the kind of guy that takes kindly to BS like that. She has since texted me several times looking to reschedule, but I haven't bitten because like I said in a previous post, I have a SB that doesn't give me that type of grief.

Good luck and Stay Frosty.

WS.

**CarmelFight** · 04-22-22 10:20

Originally Posted by German5050 [View Original Post]

Her profile doesn't give much to think she's DTF and would go for ppm tbh. Seems like she's looking for a boyfriend. She's seeking "active lifestyle, attentive, flexible schedule, life of leisure".

"Kind & hardworking girl that is looking for a drama free and genuine connection. Super new to all this looking to meet a genuine guy that either wants a friendship or relationship. Not like the other girls on here looking for someone to build with and also learn more about business & e-commerce with. Willing to always be open and forward with you".

She's 500. I was chatting with her and we agreed to meet than just ghosted me. Maybe some other guy got her attention.

**SoonerFan72** · 04-21-22 17:01

Originally Posted by German5050 [View Original Post]

Her profile doesn't give much to think she's DTF and would go for ppm tbh. Seems like she's looking for a boyfriend. She's seeking "active lifestyle, attentive, flexible schedule, life of leisure".

"Kind & hardworking girl that is looking for a drama free and genuine connection. Super new to all this looking to meet a genuine guy that either wants a friendship or relationship. Not like the other girls on here looking for someone to build with and also learn more about business & e-commerce with. Willing to always be open and forward with you".

Yes, you are correct, but the reason I said that was she pretty much told me she was good with PPM. Before I meet any lady, I always verify with a specific pic that they are real, she did. Next I tell them I'm looking for a FWB in person, mutually beneficial arrangement, and she was down for that. After you do this long enough, you know who is good to go, and who is not. I'm pretty sure she has had previous arrangements, and is just looking for more money. But, like I said, she was never mean or rude, seemed like a nice chic. Just expensive. LOL.

**GoneForGood97** · 04-21-22 16:14

Originally Posted by German5050 [View Original Post]

Her profile doesn't give much to think she's DTF and would go for ppm tbh. Seems like she's looking for a boyfriend. She's seeking "active lifestyle, attentive, flexible schedule, life of leisure".

"Kind & hardworking girl that is looking for a drama free and genuine connection. Super new to all this looking to meet a genuine guy that either wants a friendship or relationship. Not like the other girls on here looking for someone to build with and also learn more about business & e-commerce with. Willing to always be open and forward with you".

I think German5050 is right on. My SA is not currently active, but here's how I would approach her after reading that profile.

1) Build rapport. Find out and talk about some hobbies / interests. If it's not something you know anything about, ask her for details. Most people enjoy talking about their favorite hobbies / interests to new people. Ask her if she's traveled much, what some of her favorite places were, if she's from Atlanta or moved here, and if she moved here, ask about what brought her here.

2) At some point you'll move her to text and snap, and get a verification photo. Ask what type of arrangement she's looking for (not the AMOUNT, but the TYPE). You could get lucky and find out she's not interested in cash, but in experiences (fine dining, nice hotel dates, etc). If she says PPM then you can discuss the amount, but I doubt she'll ask for PPM, she'll probably go straight for an allowance. If she's looking for an allowance, ask her what monthly allowance works for her. If she still hesitant to throw out a number, ask a little bit about her monthly bills (rent, car payment, etc) and figure out some combination that works in your budget. Let's say her rent is $1200 a month. Great, tell her you'll take care of it if you can see her once a week if she can host (if she can't host, use that info as negotiating point, I. E. "Well I normally do 300 if you host and 200 if I need to grab a hotel"). If she wants more, continue to negotiate and move on if GPS is evident.

3) Here's the real challenging part. Once you agree on a monthly amount (let's say $1200) tell her you never start off a monthly arrangement until you've built up trust, and it will take "a few dates" to do that (avoid using a specific number). However, if you see her once a week, then $1200 a month is $300 per week (be sure to explain the math so it doesn't look like you're bait and switching or being cheap), so tell her you'll start there until you the two of you build up enough trust and comfort to move to a monthly amount. If she straight rejects, move on. If she agrees, schedule the date. If she's receptive but cautious, offer to do a M&G (no $, just coffee) to get to know each other, and if she's comfortable "starting the arrangement" once you finish the M&G ("starting the arrangement" means hooking up, be subtle but make sure she understands that's the requirement to begin the $) confirm if that would need to be at her place or a hotel. If she seems on the fence, you could offer to nudge the number a little higher for the weekly (say $350) until you're both comfortable moving to the monthly amount.

If you play that right you can easily see her for 3-5 weeks for the weekly amount, and if she's enjoying her time with you there's very little chance she'll rock the boat (and possibly ruin a good thing) by bringing up the monthly arrangement again. If things are going extremely well and she's really enjoying your time together and likes you, you can often times push a lower rate for future visits.

**German5050** · 04-21-22 14:46

Originally Posted by SoonerFan72 [View Original Post]

So this chic is real, and pretty damn hot. I got to text with her, and she verified her pics with a pic of my choosing. So she is real, and seems DTF. She also seemed fairly normal, no drama. BUT, she might be GPS. I offered 300 ppm and got ghosted. Some of you might like to offer more, its just not for me.

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...0-519b1fc49503

Her profile doesn't give much to think she's DTF and would go for ppm tbh. Seems like she's looking for a boyfriend. She's seeking "active lifestyle, attentive, flexible schedule, life of leisure".

"Kind & hardworking girl that is looking for a drama free and genuine connection. Super new to all this looking to meet a genuine guy that either wants a friendship or relationship. Not like the other girls on here looking for someone to build with and also learn more about business & e-commerce with. Willing to always be open and forward with you".

**WoodstockShane** · 04-21-22 13:27

First off this woman is about 28. Approximately (ha!) half my age. She is a solid 8.5-9 and Latina. I love Latinas. She's tall and has a fabulous body with near perfect / natural man made breasts, and a booty to die for.

She is discreet. Always, always on time, and if I were to call her in my time of need, she would be here within the hour. I also trust this woman enough to have her at my home. She's proven to be that trustworthy since I've met her about a year ago. Everything is uncovered, and little if anything seems to be off the table. When she comes to visit me, she is here for at least three hours. Sometimes longer. For all this I pay her $5. To me, this is money well spent. A dude in his mid 50's trying to remind himself that he still can enjoy the pleasures of life, with a beautiful woman to help.

No, I'm not willing to share her with the board and you can understand why. When I reactivated my profile recently, I didn't come across anyone that would be worth what I spend on her, although many were asking for that figure. The ladies that were willing to accept a lower number, say in the $2-$3 range. Well. They just looked like young kids looking for their next score. So I figured, "what the hell am I doing out here?" and deactivated my profile again.

Hope this helps in some way!

Stay frosty and negotiate!

**SoonerFan72** · 04-21-22 13:19

So this chic is real, and pretty damn hot. I got to text with her, and she verified her pics with a pic of my choosing. So she is real, and seems DTF. She also seemed fairly normal, no drama. BUT, she might be GPS. I offered 300 ppm and got ghosted. Some of you might like to offer more, its just not for me.

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...0-519b1fc49503

**SalvatoreIttup** · 04-20-22 18:03

Originally Posted by YeOldHornDawg [View Original Post]

Some excellent points.

Further, with inflation moving past the 8. 5% mark and the general uncertainty about the future state of the economy, I think we're going to see some contributing factors aligning to help drive down access fees.

With the cost of goods continuing to increase, there's pressure on these ladies to make more money to keep up and they can attempt to do this in one of two ways: 1) increase prices or 2) become less selective and see more SDs. However, prospective men are also going to be feeling the cost pressure and that when dealing with an uncertain economic outlook, the first things to go are typically going to be "luxury" items and services, thereby reducing the numbers willing to pay for arrangements in the first place and certainly not at a higher than normal rate.

That being said, if you are comfortable spending the funds, there are good deals to be made but as with most things, it can't be capitalized to its full extent unless we have a broad and transparent view of the prices being paid. Therefore it's incumbent upon the people in this forum to provide honest accounting, even if you're not tying it to a specific sugar baby, in order to arrive at an equilibrium of cost at a standard service level.

I've been out for a while but looking to get back in so I'm in a research phase currently and this would also selfishly help me in negotiating rates as I start to look around.

All that said and long story, short, with the feds raising interest rates recently, we've gotten the signal that the long era of easy money is coming to an end and there are opportunities to be had, we just need the information so we're not tackling it in silos.

I am fortunate to have had a nice rotation of gems that I have only had to give a PPM of $200 to for the last couple of years. Over the past few months, I have splurged a couple of times and paid $300-$400 for new ones, but never actually repeat if they still want that same amount for further meets. However, if I didn't already have the stable of SB's I only give $200 to, then I would probably have to eventually swallow my pride and repeat with one that demanded $300-$400 for every single meet.

**YeOldHornDawg** · 04-20-22 12:05

Originally Posted by WoodstockShane [View Original Post]

It's been about a year since I first signed up for Seeking. In that year, I've seen pricing rise to levels that are. Well. Challenging at times.

Some excellent points.

Further, with inflation moving past the 8. 5% mark and the general uncertainty about the future state of the economy, I think we're going to see some contributing factors aligning to help drive down access fees.

With the cost of goods continuing to increase, there's pressure on these ladies to make more money to keep up and they can attempt to do this in one of two ways: 1) increase prices or 2) become less selective and see more SDs. However, prospective men are also going to be feeling the cost pressure and that when dealing with an uncertain economic outlook, the first things to go are typically going to be "luxury" items and services, thereby reducing the numbers willing to pay for arrangements in the first place and certainly not at a higher than normal rate.

That being said, if you are comfortable spending the funds, there are good deals to be made but as with most things, it can't be capitalized to its full extent unless we have a broad and transparent view of the prices being paid. Therefore it's incumbent upon the people in this forum to provide honest accounting, even if you're not tying it to a specific sugar baby, in order to arrive at an equilibrium of cost at a standard service level.

I've been out for a while but looking to get back in so I'm in a research phase currently and this would also selfishly help me in negotiating rates as I start to look around.

All that said and long story, short, with the feds raising interest rates recently, we've gotten the signal that the long era of easy money is coming to an end and there are opportunities to be had, we just need the information so we're not tackling it in silos.

**WoodstockShane** · 04-20-22 11:00

It's been about a year since I first signed up for Seeking. In that year, I've seen pricing rise to levels that are. Well. Challenging at times. There are women out there that can command a rate of $5. And plenty more that to be quite honest, can not.

I've also noticed a huge drop-off in the activity on this forum. Big drop-off. Does that mean we're not pursuing or paying the rates that are being asked? Or did we find a gem in the last year that we keep going back to, and not reviewing here for obvious reasons?

I'm going to put myself into both camps. I found a woman that I keep seeing, she's not cheap, but she checks off all the boxes. I had recently reactivated my profile to see what was out there, and it was quite disappointing. Since I had a reliable SB, I wasn't about to overpay, or put up with any GPS from a woman that has an over-inflated opinion of herself.

What I'm trying to say or suggest, is that it's time to start renegotiating with these ladies. A favorite tactic by SBs is to say they've had previous arrangements at $x. Right? Well, that may be so, but I also had an arrangement with a great girl for $x where x is lower than the SBs offer. Or use whatever negotiation tactic you've found to be successful. I'd be interested in hearing what has worked for you in the past.

Disclaimer. Successful negotiation with good looking SBs. Not some of the ListCrawler lookalikes that appear to be low hanging fruit. According to some of your latest reviews and ad nauseam threads about some of those ladies, they don't appear to be worth the time, money, or hassle why'll have been put through. Keep in mind how much money your time is worth, and how much of that valuable time has been wasted by dealing with some of these ladies. Its probably way more $ than the cheap rate you were quoted.

Just something to think about.

Stay Frosty Fellas.

**WoodstockShane** · 04-20-22 10:28

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**StarTrek993** · 04-19-22 08:19

Anyone have any information on Slimting on seeking yet?

**TylerDurden07** · 04-18-22 11:01

Had a good chat with her & she seemed nice & engaging. Said she wanted a "you help me, I help you" type of relationship.

Told her that sounded good & asked when we could meet in person. Crickets. Blocked me before I could get the link to her bio copied to share with y'all.

Pray tell, what sort of "help" was she going to give me in return? SMDH, I already know the answer.

Avoid her.

**DaRiv** · 04-18-22 08:36

Originally Posted by ElPerron [View Original Post]

This chick has some gang realted crime history.

I tried it once since I saw a review on her before that was mediocre but I was curious because I was on that side of town. I was like waiting outside forever while she supposedly showered. But when I got inside you could tell it wasn't used. She lives in the room and it looks like a bomb went off in there. She's been in there for months it seems. The place reeks of weed and cigarette smoke. And then miraculously all of a sudden at the last minute she says that she does not give head. I tried to make the best of a bad situation but couldn't finish. Gave her half what I promised and left. It's a real shame too because she has a nice body. But you'll be wasting your time and leaving your balls full and distressed.