Stupid Shit in NoVa

[JmSuttr]

OK, I took the plunge and got myself screened at them. Their server is in Spain, so out of reach from uncle LEO. Glad I did.

Had a great session today with Giselle, a very hot looking Brazilian blonde with a fantastic attitude. True GFE and such a sweetheart. Booking was easy and very responsive.

Glad you had a nice session with Giselle but I'm assuming, from the wording of your post, that you had to give them personal info to get verified.

My issue is that, even if the server is in Spain the agency booker or manager or someone still has to access that information in order to view it and approve you as a client. If that person is in the US, your info also resides on their laptop, desktop, tablet or phone. And that's exactly where LEO will find it If that agency gets taken down.

The problem is that once you hand over personal info you completely lose control of how it's used, how it's transmitted, where it's stored, etc. That keeps the risk level unacceptably high, IMHO. That's not to say there's no value in using foreign servers and domains. But the main benefit would seem to be making it more difficult for LEO to get server logs containing IP addresses and such that could then be used to track and identify a particular computer or access point. That's the strategy USASG uses, and it makes sense.

But handing over PII bypasses the need for IP info. If LEO has your DL or work info, that's all they need to link you to the agency. To my mind that completely changes the calculus and the odds, and not in a good way.

At the end of the day, everyone has to make their own risk analysis and decide for themselves. My uncrossable line is PII and keeping it under my control at all times. Foreign server storage sound good, in theory, but could be a false sense of security.

[JmSuttr]

Bear with me folks. Just need to vent a bit. .

Let's talk about screening. As you all know, there are typically 3 types of screening processes to see an independent provider or a girl from an agency.

1. Through registration at services like P411, TER, etc. - Problem here is that most of these are closed by now.

2. Provide corporate and / or personal information. Uncle LEO will love this info!

3. At least 2 or more references from other independent providers in good standing.

Now let's talk about number 3 for a moment. How can I have references, if I need references to get these references in the first place?

And even if I have a reference, how would the new provider verify that unless I provided my personal information with both of them?

Let's not bring up the argument that she will remember you and can provide assurance that you are not LE. She won't.

If you saw her let's say 6 month ago, she wouldn't remember you unless you did something outrageous like wearing a pink hat while going down on her.

So the way I see this, this process is flawed and at least for me not working.

One alternative I could think of is, that when you arrive at the provider, before going down to business, you show your credentials like I'd, corporate I'd, your LinkedIn profile (from your phone), etc. And leave nothing behind.

That way she can be certain that you are not LE, and you that none of your personal information falls in the wrong hands.

What do you all think?

Except for agencies, there are as many screening procedures around as there are individual providers and, IMHO, they needn't be taken at face value. While many providers stick firmly to their screening rules, others are more flexible. There's no way to know for sure until you contact them and try. As with everything else concerning providers, YMMV applies.

As one example, when a provider has plenty of clients, she can afford to be picky and strict with screening. But, when business is slow, that can definitely change things. By how much depends on the provider, how slow things are, and her individual need for cash. Also, many providers like to hear a client's voice and just a phone call can sometimes make the difference.

If I'm interested in a provider who has, at least on paper, a strict screening process, the first thing I do is search for more info and intel on the web, this forum, and sites like E-Monkey and Listcrawler. I'm looking for at least two things: First, any reviews or monger posts indicating any kind of flexibility or variability in her process. Second, whether ads she's posted on different sites say different things about screening. Maybe her Eros or Private Delights ad talks about strict screening but her ad on Listcrawler doesn't.

When I've done enough homework and I think it's worth a shot, I'll call and tell her I saw her ad on whatever site had the least restrictive language regarding screening. Once we have a conversation going, my goal is to make her feel as safe and comfortable with me as possible. Sometimes she doesn't even bring up a screening process and we move right into scheduling a session. Other times she brings it up and I give her my handle for this forum and for TER. Or I might ask if she'd consider an alternative like a brief meeting at Starbucks, etc. It's all about the art of persuasion so there are no hard and fast rules. I'd guess I've had about a 40% to 50% success rate with this approach. Again, it all depends on how badly she needs $ and how well you can persuade her that you're a low-risk client. If nothing works and you hit an impasse, thank her politely and move on.

But, as other members have pointed out, there are plenty of good providers who don't have strict screening. And seeing some of those, at least the more responsible ones, should also give you a base of references to use in the future.

[HerbB]

So the question we have to ask is who are the idiots that give this level of information. Obviously many do or these fine ladies would not be asking for it and they would be out of business. Why would anyone tell where they work and expect it to be held in confidence.

So are there that many idiots out here that give out that information? That is scary as they are just waiting to be consumed in a major sting down the road or when the lady is caught and needs to bargain.

I don't know about everyone else, but I haven't met any lady that's worth what will happen with giving your professional and personal info.

Remember we can stop this BS by not playing the game.

HD29.

HD29,

True, but quite a few folks tend to think with their little head when it comes to this hobby. Typically the rule of thumb is, the more attractive the girl and the more $$$ she asks, the more likely will she ask for screening.

Nowadays, almost any girl who is asking more than $350/ hr is asking for screening.

So if your little head really wants to see a smoking hot chick, you only have the options I mentioned.

HerbB.

[Harley Dude 29]

So the question we have to ask is who are the idiots that give this level of information. Obviously many do or these fine ladies would not be asking for it and they would be out of business. Why would anyone tell where they work and expect it to be held in confidence.

So are there that many idiots out here that give out that information? That is scary as they are just waiting to be consumed in a major sting down the road or when the lady is caught and needs to bargain.

I don't know about everyone else, but I haven't met any lady that's worth what will happen with giving your professional and personal info.

Remember we can stop this BS by not playing the game.

HD29.

Any provider who wants my sensitive personal information, including my employment information, isn't getting my business. You're correct about Uncle LEO, and you also have to be concerned about the news media as well. Nor will I divulge my social media information to any provider. As far as references, the providers who probably would have vouched for me at one time are now retired.

I doubt any of those providers claiming they have to "verify" potential clients before seeing them would allow us to "verify" them in a similar manner. They'd consider that an invasion of privacy. So why shouldn't we feel the same way?

[Tom McAn]

Bear with me folks. Just need to vent a bit. .

Let's talk about screening. As you all know, there are typically 3 types of screening processes to see an independent provider or a girl from an agency.

1. Through registration at services like P411, TER, etc. - Problem here is that most of these are closed by now.

2. Provide corporate and / or personal information. Uncle LEO will love this info!

3. At least 2 or more references from other independent providers in good standing.

Now let's talk about number 3 for a moment. How can I have references, if I need references to get these references in the first place?

And even if I have a reference, how would the new provider verify that unless I provided my personal information with both of them?

Let's not bring up the argument that she will remember you and can provide assurance that you are not LE. She won't.

If you saw her let's say 6 month ago, she wouldn't remember you unless you did something outrageous like wearing a pink hat while going down on her.

So the way I see this, this process is flawed and at least for me not working.

One alternative I could think of is, that when you arrive at the provider, before going down to business, you show your credentials like I'd, corporate I'd, your LinkedIn profile (from your phone), etc. And leave nothing behind.

That way she can be certain that you are not LE, and you that none of your personal information falls in the wrong hands.

What do you all think?

Any provider who wants my sensitive personal information, including my employment information, isn't getting my business. You're correct about Uncle LEO, and you also have to be concerned about the news media as well. Nor will I divulge my social media information to any provider. As far as references, the providers who probably would have vouched for me at one time are now retired.

I doubt any of those providers claiming they have to "verify" potential clients before seeing them would allow us to "verify" them in a similar manner. They'd consider that an invasion of privacy. So why shouldn't we feel the same way?

[HerbB]

Bear with me folks. Just need to vent a bit. .

Let's talk about screening. As you all know, there are typically 3 types of screening processes to see an independent provider or a girl from an agency.

1. Through registration at services like P411, TER, etc. - Problem here is that most of these are closed by now.

2. Provide corporate and / or personal information. Uncle LEO will love this info!

3. At least 2 or more references from other independent providers in good standing.

Now let's talk about number 3 for a moment. How can I have references, if I need references to get these references in the first place?

And even if I have a reference, how would the new provider verify that unless I provided my personal information with both of them?

Let's not bring up the argument that she will remember you and can provide assurance that you are not LE. She won't.

If you saw her let's say 6 month ago, she wouldn't remember you unless you did something outrageous like wearing a pink hat while going down on her.

So the way I see this, this process is flawed and at least for me not working.

One alternative I could think of is, that when you arrive at the provider, before going down to business, you show your credentials like I'd, corporate I'd, your LinkedIn profile (from your phone), etc. And leave nothing behind.

That way she can be certain that you are not LE, and you that none of your personal information falls in the wrong hands.

What do you all think?

[Pbarber307]

https://humour360.com/sexy-nsfw/93-p...thout-make-up/

Pics of various adult entertainers with before-and-after makeup pics. Just goes to show you how much of what constitutes attraction is illusion more than reality. Wasn't sure exactly which forum was most appropriate for this post, but this is as good a choice as any (hat tip for the link to an anonymous monger on another site).

I must be getting old. I only recognized one girl: Katja Kassin. Girls in p0 rn are a dime a dozen these days and don't have the staying power of girls in the past.

[Tom McAn]

https://humour360.com/sexy-nsfw/93-p...thout-make-up/

Pics of various adult entertainers with before-and-after makeup pics. Just goes to show you how much of what constitutes attraction is illusion more than reality. Wasn't sure exactly which forum was most appropriate for this post, but this is as good a choice as any (hat tip for the link to an anonymous monger on another site).

Interesting. Thanks for sharing the link. Some of those ladies actually weren't bad-looking without the makeup. Not long ago I saw similar with-and-without makeup photos of more mainstream actresses and observed the same thing.

[TheOuroboros]

https://humour360.com/sexy-nsfw/93-p...thout-make-up/

Pics of various adult entertainers with before-and-after makeup pics. Just goes to show you how much of what constitutes attraction is illusion more than reality. Wasn't sure exactly which forum was most appropriate for this post, but this is as good a choice as any (hat tip for the link to an anonymous monger on another site).

Personally, I thought some of those ladies were just as cute without the make up, and yet others were. Dear god. I'm not trying to get too philosophical here but sometimes you can find a certain beauty in imperfection rather than losing oneself in the fantasies of perfection. But it's true make up and talent in its arts can really do wonders in feeding into the illusion of an object of desire. To take it one step further here's a make-up artist who takes the skill into a whole other level by impersonating famous celebrities just using make up. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RPfmSVHrMQQ. Beauty in this era with make up / plastic surgery / and other augmentations can easily be engineered.

[JmSuttr]

https://humour360.com/sexy-nsfw/93-p...thout-make-up/

Pics of various adult entertainers with before-and-after makeup pics. Just goes to show you how much of what constitutes attraction is illusion more than reality. Wasn't sure exactly which forum was most appropriate for this post, but this is as good a choice as any (hat tip for the link to an anonymous monger on another site).

[CaponeBone]

Stay safe out there. Especially in SoFL.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/22/us/ro...ion/index.html

[Member #6313]

By being on this site, you're more apt to get busted by your ITP address easily searchable by law enforcement taking down web sites (hello Eros 2017-2018) which are registered on each one of these types of reviews web sites thAn by any personal information you'd ever give a provider. Do you really believe she's looking to " bust you" via your private info versus making money off of you? Why would any provider try to screw her own business or reputation over your ass? Unless you're not reputable yourself, you have nothing to fear. These boards mislead you into thinking you're safe by posting every little detail (who can verify really whether it's a reputable review, a jealous competitor, an agency trying to smear or bad talk an independent or an old dude who couldn't perform? These types of sites are jokes to anyone except someone looking to get the most bang for the least amount if buck, even if it means risking his d* to a cheap chick who sleeps with 10 men a day. Get real. Get informed. You think your privacy is protected here on this forum MORE than a personal person trying to ensure her time or safety? Wake up.

Hmmmm, I'm thinking this is a chick that would rather you guys not have a forum so that you stay stupid and pay more.

Just saying.

A2

In any event what the hell is an ITP address? It's not a typo because it was the same in all the other posts you spammed us with that got deleted

He means I2 P, some stupid people say ITP T=two. It's an anonymizing network. Kind of like TOR.

[BernieKean]

By being on this site, you're more apt to get busted by your ITP address easily searchable by law enforcement taking down web sites (hello Eros 2017-2018) which are registered on each one of these types of reviews web sites thAn by any personal information you'd ever give a provider. Do you really believe she's looking to " bust you" via your private info versus making money off of you? Why would any provider try to screw her own business or reputation over your ass? Unless you're not reputable yourself, you have nothing to fear. These boards mislead you into thinking you're safe by posting every little detail (who can verify really whether it's a reputable review, a jealous competitor, an agency trying to smear or bad talk an independent or an old dude who couldn't perform? These types of sites are jokes to anyone except someone looking to get the most bang for the least amount if buck, even if it means risking his d* to a cheap chick who sleeps with 10 men a day. Get real. Get informed. You think your privacy is protected here on this forum MORE than a personal person trying to ensure her time or safety? Wake up.

Hmmmm, I'm thinking this is a chick that would rather you guys not have a forum so that you stay stupid and pay more.

Just saying.

A2

In any event what the hell is an ITP address? It's not a typo because it was the same in all the other posts you spammed us with that got deleted

[SuperJimmyC]

What do these scientists have to say??

https://thoughtcatalog.com/amanda-ch...our-genitalia/

[NeedToKnow1]

Cityguide has very few, if any legit ads. You need to stick to stg, or others, where you can validate their location.

Thank you!