"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[DogBert77]

Answer is no. Not in your comfort zone and if she really wanted out, a roommate would be fine. That's your warning sign.

Second this. Always stay in your comforts zone. However, you have some time invested in this one and haven't made it to home plate yet. So maybe it's worth another try to find a living situation that will work for her. Look on Craigslist or someplace and show her the listings of people looking for room mates. Maybe there is something that will appeal. A lot of people who need a room mate are willing to forgo the security deposit and lease, etc. Not many would let her move in without the first month's rent in hand, so you are quite there yet, but I say invest a little more effort in trying to work something out that (1) keeps you in you comfort zone; and (2) get you in her pants.

[Walruscl]

Answer is no. Not in your comfort zone and if she really wanted out, a roommate would be fine. That's your warning sign.

As much as I adore and miss my former SB, she absolutely insisted she could not live with roommates. The one time she tried was with her best friend from HS (I was there to watch the slow motion train wreck), and to my knowledge she has still irrevocably wrecked that friendship. These sorts of personal limitations are fine as long as they remain NYP (Not Your Problem). But once they do (from firsthand experience), it is decidedly not a good thing. So it being out of your comfort zone (even apart from the co-signed lease) is a good instinct.

[LikItFun]

Was having a fantastic conversation by text with this one, and then she ghosted. Anyone have any luck with her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/08cbb...9-6aaf2f194a92

[Cabsauv1997]

She is not keen to have a roommate.

Answer is no. Not in your comfort zone and if she really wanted out, a roommate would be fine. That's your warning sign.

[DrSummer]

Good news, and unexpected twist.

Week 6: She agreed to go to a movie again on a Monday. Again, no one else in the theater for that show (lucky me). This time, one more step ahead. She gave me a blow job (showed inexperience, but a good experience nevertheless). She allowed me touching her under the panties while we was working on my jr. Didn't swallow, spit it out. All good and happy. I upped the allowance to 150.

Week 7: Here is the twist. Two days after the movie date, she texted me asking if I could help her renting an apartment. Either I have to get it on my name or co-sign the lease. She has no credit rating and has no one to co-sign. She told me earlier when we first met that she doesn't like the situation at home and trying to find her own place. According to her, her dad is an asshole. He does contracting, building, construction type of work. He expects her and her brothers to do all the work related to his construction (carpentry etc) at home and pays nothing. And she doesn't have time to do a job. Also her dad seems to be bitching about that she is 19 and not paying rent to him. Her mom is not in a capacity to help her out either. She told me at least twice before that she was looking for places to move out, but never asked my help. In fact she has never asked any help or told me any sob stories. It is possible she planned this all along and waiting for the right time to tell me. I asked her other options like moving in with a friend etc. She is not keen to have a roommate. She has found this apartment very close to her nursing school and reasonable rent etc, The rent per month is well below 1000 which is fine with me given the allowance I would give someone for about 4 meet per month. But, I am not comfortable with getting into such situation where I am connected to her with a paper trail and this is too early to reveal my identity. I have not committed to her yet although I didn't say no either. We haven't met after that. I see the frequency of texts from her is going down. I think I am at a crossroads here and tell her what I choose. I will most likely let this go. Yes, I like her and she could be a great SB if I help her out here. But, still out of my comfort zone.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

Few of you asked an update on my platonic girl experiment. Here is the update.

Background: 19 yes old cute girl who says platonic only and said "no sex" during chatting and at the first meet up (but open for some 'fooling around). I am trying this as an experiment to see if I can convert her to go to FC. Difficult task I know. But, I have 3 regular SB's in rotation, this is just a side project.

Week 1: First meet for a coffee. Good connection. Made plans for a date in a week.

Week 2: Made plans to go see a movie. Texts me about 2 hrs prior to the agreed time that she couldn't make it as she had to babysit her sister's kids. But, promised a date next week.

Week 3: Made plans for a movie. She showed up. I got last raw seats. But the place was crowded. In to about 10 min to movie, we started some fun. She allowed touching almost anywhere over the cloths. I actually felt she was wet. I didn't try going under the cloths. There were people on either side of our seats. We did lots of deep kissing. That's the extent I could go that day. Gift was 100.

Week 4: I proposed a dinner at her favorite restaurant. She showed up. Had nice dinner. After, the dinner I asked if we could spend about 10 to 20 min "alone time" in my car at a quiet place. She said she was in a hurry to get back home. I didn't push. Gift was 0 (I was testing her and sending a message), but of course paid for the dinner.

Week 5: Typically she texts right after she gets home. After the dinner, she didn't text me for about 2 days. May be she was not happy about the lack of allowance after the dinner. But, she texted to propose a movie again. Set for the Saturday. The morning on the date, she texts and postpones the date for Monday night. I was OK. She showed up Monday night. Two of us were the only people in the theater for that show. Things happened quicker than first time. Lots of deep kissing and cuddling. However, she didn't let me reach that area claiming she was on period (may be true, she let me touch last time). I was reaching to her boobs over the shirt, she pulled the shirt and bra up, let me touch and suck. I was trying to get her to touch my Jr. She was not that enthusiastic. After a while I jokingly told her a about the possibility of blue balls, and if she could help me out. She agreed to a hand job, but didn't want "stuff" on her hand as there was not place to wash. I pulled a condom from my pocket and she gave me hand job to completion. Asked about a blow job, she said not sure, may be next time. It was better than expected. The gift was 100.

We have been chatting after that and making plans for next meet. She has very desirable qualities I like from a SB. Very clean, and always smells great. No drama, no sob stories yet. Doesn't give the vibe of desperation or needy. Never complained about allowance or asked about it. But, I know she is in for the allowance as any other SB is. Now she knows that what I am after and she seems to be going along. I still am skeptical if I could hit the home run with her. May be not at least in the near future. But, want to keep it going.

You veterans, any suggestions what my next move should be? Am I going too fast or slow?

Stay safe guys, and I will update.

Dr. S.

[DrSummer]

For first two meets it was 300 per meet. Then we agreed for 250 per meet for 4 meets per month guaranteed. I dated her for about 3 months. Absolutely great time until the tragedy struck. She was an exchange student from Europe, her family had a tragic situation back home, she decided to move back home earlier than expected. I know it was true, I drove her to the airport when she left the country. I don't get emotionally attached to these girls, but I must confess I was heartbroken for sometime. She took out the SA profile before she left. She contacted me via e-mail a couple of times after that. But no chance that she is coming back. I may see her in my next trip to Europe though.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

Damage for that experience?

[DrSummer]

I follow the same. Almost all the girls you find on SA are financially irresponsible. I do try to advise them, but I have no huge expectation they are going to change. Whether I give an allowance or how much is solely dependent on what she delivers (only after the delivery is done). I have done "monthly allowance", but it is just a guarantee from me that how many meets per month from my end, but not advancing money beforehand for the month. Whatever the sob stories they tell (some may actually be true), I try to help them with advice, but not advancing money.

A good example is a 20 year old I have been seeing for about 4 months now. She has a very stable and nice job at an accounting firm. I know that she works there for sure (I picked her from her work place couple of times and I saw her inside the office). She says she gets paid very well and do lot of overtime. She is single, no kids, no responsibilities, don't see any demons or addictions. But she is always in debt and complains that her bank account is in red all the time. First time I met her she asked for 300 to make back payment for car insurance. I said my allowance was 200. She accepted and apologized for asking allowance beforehand. We had absolutely great time, and I gave 200. The following week she texted me wanting to meet but she was on her period. She offered just hanging out, but wanted 200 to pay back a loan she got from mom. I told her that I don't prefer to do dates when a girl is on period and proposed meeting week after. She asked whether I could cashapp money, I said no. After a week I contacted her and she was happy to see me, again we had great time. 200 at the end of the date. I have had about 4 more dates with her last 4 months. Very difficult to schedule, gives some type of excuse and bail out at the last minute. But, boy when I catch her, it is always a blast. Very submissive, cute girl. Almost all options on table, multiple rounds, multiple hours. Very nice personality, gets along with me very well. She once in a while comes up with sob stories, but I never advance money or more than my typical allowance of 200. We go to dinners etc. But no extra money. By now she clearly understands how I operate. I have couple of other regulars, so I always have other options if she is not available.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

I would say yes and no.

Yes, I actually do believe that a lot of these girls have pretty crazy lives, are irresponsible, and have a lot of bad shit happen to them. No, I don't let my belief or disbelief affect the amount or timing of what I give them. I give them a modest donation AFTER I have had sex with them. I don't mind whether they use the whole amount to get their nails done at the most expensive salon in town, or to bail their deadbeat dad out of jail, or whatever. If they need more, we need to schedule another visit, assuming their performance warrants it. I don't pay more per visit, and I don't pay in advance. If my donation can help them with their run of bad luck, great, everybody is happy. If their misfortunes are so monumental that incremental donations are of no use? Next!

My take on the whole thing is that at the end of the day, of course it's a financial transaction. If you met the same girl behind the counter of your local coffee shop, are you going to give her $400 for a $4 latte because her car got towed that morning? I do everything I can not to rub their noses in the financial realities, in the hope and expectation that they will provide an experience that doesn't feel transactional, but none of that changes how much or when they get paid.

[PeteMc]

What's a good location to stay in RVA area if in town for a few days and want to meet some POTS?

(Hotels downtown seem expensive -- looking for nice rooms and things to do nearby but better value than downtown Richmond).

[DogBert77]

Plus, who has time for old married woman when your juggling college students, LOL.

Got to keep making room for the fresh crop. SA is like the fountain of youth for me. I am fucking girls who are the same age as the girls I was fucking 40 years ago!

[Missingcr1]

I shoot for 3 x 1 too, though it was 2 x 1 when I started enjoying these girls.

These girls do make bad decisions, but since she always treated me right, when I told her I was not going to text her after she got married I was not going to text her. Plus, who has time for old married woman when your juggling college students, LOL.

Whoa, Nelly! Hold on a minute. That's a GOOD choice! For us. (Although personally I like to keep it closer to a 3 x ratio).

[DogBert77]

Some girls are addicted to making bad choices.

Like banging men 2 x their age for quick cash.

Whoa, Nelly! Hold on a minute. That's a GOOD choice! For us. (Although personally I like to keep it closer to a 3 x ratio).

[DogBert77]

We met on a Wednesday, and she told then that she was getting married Friday and needed money for the justice of the peace and a few related costs. Wonder what her bf would hav thought if he knew how she got the funds.

ROTFLMAO! Almost blew my coffee out my nose. Funniest thing I have seen on here in a while. Kinda makes you wonder how many cuckolds are out there, maybe closer than you think.

[Ernest Ll]

Some girls are addicted to making bad choices.

Like banging men 2 x their age for quick cash.

[EvilTmp]

One of the oddest requests for money was from a sb that I met when she was 18, and we met on and off for 3 years. We would meet a few times, she would disappear for months and then I would get a text from her wanting to meet. She had a rocking little petite bod and a pretty face, so I was cool with whatever. She sucked in bed at first, the classic cold fish, but just kept getting better and better. We had seen each other a few times over a 6 month period when she texted me to meet early one week, asking for a small amount. We met on a Wednesday, and she told then that she was getting married Friday and needed money for the justice of the peace and a few related costs. Wonder what her bf would hav thought if he knew how she got the funds. We had an incredible time that day, but never met again. I fought the urge to text her on the small chance I would mess things up in her life.

Jeez, just text her if you feel like it. If this is how she occupies her time she will manage to mess up things all on her own and it's not because of you or anyone else. Some girls are addicted to making bad choices.

[Missingcr1]

One of my current SB's, who I met in the platonic only section of CL, and I have been seeing for 4 years (since she was 19) has never given me a sob story. However, a few times when she has really wanted something, like money to go out with her gf's over the weekend, she has offered to meet for less (like 75) on short notice. Think of that as win-win.

Am talking with a hot 25 yo right now, who told me she is into girls and had not been with a guy since she was 18. Her FB account seems to verify that story. We had been talking for several days about when we were meeting, and she told me that she had gotten into an altercation with her ex gf when moving out. Claims she was attacked, but has been charged with assault because it was her ex's apartment. Said she needed 1500 in court fees by end of month. I did a quick check on MD case search and her story checked out. Her gf dropped charges, but le has not. I told her that was fine, that I would only help her with the amount we had already agreed to and we would just have to meet a lot between now and then. Are scheduled to meet tomorrow in public and see what happens. She definitely has the motivation to move forward.

One of the oddest requests for money was from a sb that I met when she was 18, and we met on and off for 3 years. We would meet a few times, she would disappear for months and then I would get a text from her wanting to meet. She had a rocking little petite bod and a pretty face, so I was cool with whatever. She sucked in bed at first, the classic cold fish, but just kept getting better and better. We had seen each other a few times over a 6 month period when she texted me to meet early one week, asking for a small amount. We met on a Wednesday, and she told then that she was getting married Friday and needed money for the justice of the peace and a few related costs. Wonder what her bf would hav thought if he knew how she got the funds. We had an incredible time that day, but never met again. I fought the urge to text her on the small chance I would mess things up in her life.

My best SB didn't ask for anything. When I asked what she wanted, she said whatever I thought it was worth. Still no help. But she had a tire blowout, first steel belt radial I've ever seen worn all the way through the cords, but it was a wornout blowout. So the first date I put a couple of tires on her car, about $175, and she stayed with me 5 hours. GFE except for the cover. Second date, same experience and no request so I put a benji in her purse. She called later to thank. Third date, same experience, replaced the other 2 tires. That's the way it's been. Pay a doctor bill, catch the electric bill, same covered 4-6 hour experience, GFE except for the cover.

If you get a laundry list of needs, tackle them one at the time. Never pay more than you would pay for a single session, and only after service has been rendered.