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[Member #6963]

Both IG and Jjbee62 have touched on another area of the hobby that will create a divide among hobbyist on here to agree / disagree. I will touch on two points. Provider and Hobbyist attitudes and brotherhood.

ATTITUDE.

It has already been said that a good provider with a good attitude has no trouble securing business and picking clients. Some on here think anything from a streetwalker to a $1000 hr provider is a "W-hore". I hate that word because society, mainly men, use it in a derogatory way to define a woman who enjoys sex. Damn we should be so lucky that we find a woman who likes it as much as we do. If this label is used on women sex workers, then in my opinion, the men who solicit them are also "W-hores". The difference between a good provider and street walkers and most BP escorts is attitude. If you treat a provider like a "W-hore" then you will get a Whoreable experience. These women have lives, feelings, complications, finances and they deserve respect from hobbyist because we should be gentlemen. Providers are in this biz mainly for three reasons. 1. To feed their or their SO's drug habit. 2. To earn a living because for whatever reason they or their SO can't or won't get a real job. 3. They do it part time, real job comes first, because they enjoy the sex and the company. I am talking about anything from a BP escort to a high end provider. I have become friends with many providers and enemies with some. The difference between the two was always attitude. The woman that felt they could treat me with disrespect, steal, lie and trick me, caused me to lose respect for them, thus the enemies. I have had disagreements with many providers and still remained friends mainly because of the attitude on both sides of the fence. So a provider with a good attitude deserves respect and you will have a much more enjoyable experience if you treat them like ladies. A hobbyist with a good attitude will earn the respect of the provider and she will provide a much more enjoyable experience. Mutual respect results in a better menu and a more intimate encounter, if that's what you are looking for. Those of you that just want to blow and go, that's great also. Do it but with some respect because "It's the right thing to do" as a gentleman.

BROTHERHOOD.

Now once a provider disrespects a client, for some of the reasons I indicated above, I think brotherhood should enter into the scenario. We all want to be warned about scammers and thieves. These are the easy ones. What about the ones that show extreme disrespect for a hobbyist. Many times the lines of disrespect are unclear, in many cases they should be, because most on this board are unknown to each other. But once a hobbyist has an issue and other hobbyist's can verify it's true then why not exercise brotherhood and use our power to "Cut Off" the poor attitude of the provider / escort / stripper? I know the answer will be "Why should I care about what happens to you"? Because we are in it together even though many of us are private and need extreme anonymity. If we weren't in it together we wouldn't be on this board sharing info and helping each other find pussy. Why continue to help a lady (used loosely) who has taken advantage of a hobbyist? We shouldn't continue to help because once again "It's the right thing to do". Many on this board follow the brotherhood and have helped others in bad situations. I have tried to stand by a wronged hobbyist and other hobbyist's have stood by me when I was wronged. I believe it's because everyone felt it was the right thing to do. Now a hobbyist that is out of control needs to also be dealt with. Yes there are some real A-Holes out there. If a hobbyist harms a provider or another hobbyist then they should be dealt with because once again it's the right thing to do.

There will be some who will disagree with my above two philosophies and that's ok. We all have our opinions and we can agree to disagree. My opinion is a simple one. Be a gentleman and treat others with respect because it's the right thing to do. But once disrespect is paramount then lets stick together and deal with it together.

FF.

P.S. Damn, I love a freckled provider with a great attitude!

[IndyGuy123]

One area that is often neglected is attitude. It works both ways. There are many negative reports about a provider having a bad attitude, being bored, inattentive, not into the session, whatever. But sometimes it's the monger's attitude that causes the problem.

Especially the first time meeting a provider, try to set the right tone. Maybe she's been giving you the runaround for 5 hours, or some of the communications weren't to your liking. If you walk in the door with a bad attitude, there's no way you're going to be happy coming out. When you knock on the door, it's a fresh start. If it still turns out lousy, at least you'll know it wasn't your fault.

Except for the most hardcore providers, the women would rather have a good session than a bad one. That doesn't mean you have to give her multiple O's, but make it pleasant. If she enjoys your company, you'll definitely benefit.

There's also much to be said for repeat visits. Sometimes poor performance, on either side, is caused by nerves. If everything else was good, a second try might change things.

JJ,

Yes this is a paramount item. The truly good providers will have no problem filling up their schedule. Because of this they can become selective. If they truly enjoy you, they will always have time to see you. The individuals they do not actually like will be put on the back burner and only get appointments when the ladies are in need of help and are unable to fill their appointments with their preferred clients. I have witnessed on more than one occasion, a provider turn down bigger money to be with me. When asked why, was informed "because he is an asshole". As BGUAM says "give and get respect".

Indy Guy.

[Jjbee62]

One area that is often neglected is attitude. It works both ways. There are many negative reports about a provider having a bad attitude, being bored, inattentive, not into the session, whatever. But sometimes it's the monger's attitude that causes the problem.

Especially the first time meeting a provider, try to set the right tone. Maybe she's been giving you the runaround for 5 hours, or some of the communications weren't to your liking. If you walk in the door with a bad attitude, there's no way you're going to be happy coming out. When you knock on the door, it's a fresh start. If it still turns out lousy, at least you'll know it wasn't your fault.

Except for the most hardcore providers, the women would rather have a good session than a bad one. That doesn't mean you have to give her multiple O's, but make it pleasant. If she enjoys your company, you'll definitely benefit.

There's also much to be said for repeat visits. Sometimes poor performance, on either side, is caused by nerves. If everything else was good, a second try might change things.

[LancePkrbttm]

Park in an adjacent property. Walk through an another nearby business. For example I park on a side street near a gas station. Go in the back door and exit the front. Walk to my AMP and go in the front door. Leave from the back of the AMP and walk an entirely different path back. If I do get nicked they can't impound my car and confiscate it because they never observed my using it to "commit a crime".

I never verbally or in any communications agree to or discuss any "services". If you that damn curious text from a different burner than you book with. Find out if she does BB anal and then BBBJCIM in that order if it's your thing. But not where it's tied to you! Not sure I've ever heard of a decoy taking it in the mouth. So once you're in, then it's probably OK to discuss.

[Member #6963]

This post is about Uncle and the unlikely event that you will meet him and his wife. It has happened to some of the most experiences mongers, the most famous being GRBoiler. GRB turned on other mongers by not getting the word out and turning over his handle and password on aNother Review site. GRB did not warn anyone even though he had the opportunity to do so. How he ever became a hobbyist perplexes me because he has no balls and is one big pussy! Because of GRB it has become increasingly important to verify both providers and hobbyist's. Use the research methods already provided in this blog and this includes developing trust among members of this board to help with verification.

If you are visited by Uncle then DO NOT give anything up. No handles, no passwords, keep your mouth shut, it's a misdemeanor and 99.9% of the time you will be provided the opportunity for a diversion program by the prosecutor. Uncle will do and say anything to try and scare you and convince you that helping them will reduce your misdemeanor crime before you are removed from the sting location and booked. It's a ploy, only the prosecutor can make a deal. More than likely you will be booked and processed and spend the evening or even all night wearing orange and eating green bologna. You won't have access to your cell phone so memorize a trusted friends phone number who you can call because bail will be set at around $100. Use a screen lock password on your phone so LE cannot get into it. Make sure it doesn't unlock if an e-mail, call or text arrives while you are visiting with uncle. Call or get on-line as soon as possible and contact another hobbyist and advise them of the sting. DO NOT put up a post about the sting under the handle that you normally use it only gets the hair up on the back of Uncles neck and points a finger at you. Let another hobbyist put out the warning.

Just being caught in a sting is what Uncle wants as a deterrent. If you have an SO or Better Half, just the time away from them and not being available to answer calls or come home, this could be for several hours or all night, becomes your major problem. Giving things up will not keep this from happening.

Uncle has posed in the past as a hobbyist on P411 and they are on this site. They have made deals with providers in the past and set up hobbyists. This is one reason to verify providers if they have not been active for a while or have been involved in a recent sting. Most providers do not cave in to uncle and are honorable. Many trusted providers have been visited by uncle and are still trust worthy. Do not ask me who they are, if I felt there was a current issue with one I would advise this board.

On another note I would recommend using a burner phone (hobby phone) or use text and calling app on your smart phone. I have found either google voice or Text Now to be good aps and they are free.

Be safe, smart and as MW Dude said research, research, research and more research.

FF.

P.S. Uncle hates hobbyists who like freckles.

[BorisYaz]

This is all very valuable information so thank you Indy Tech. I am new to posting but I have been watching and learning for a good amount of time. Thank you again.

Never take ANY more cash than you intend on spending. If they see you have more than discussed, they will give their best effort to get it. If you have extra in your pockets, even legit providers will rummage through your clothes if given the chance. Until you have developed a trusted relationship with your provider, it's best to have all your pockets empty. Leave anything else in your car....

[Indy Tech]

If you are doing an incall in your own home, "hooker proof " it before they arrive. If it's valuable, put it up. If it's valuable and not nailed down, it will leave with them if they get the chance. If I find myself needing to leave the room, either take them with you, or tell them to clap their hands non stop until you get back. They can't cram your stuff in their purse AND clap at the same time. It sounds silly, but they want their money, they will clap.

If you do decide to have a provider in your own home, think about this. You don't know her, she might be bringing three of her buddies with to rob you. Leave off all your lights, and watch who gets out of the car, and if she has passengers. If it doesn't look / feel right, don't answer the door. Let them leave, thinking they were told the wrong address and nobody was home. If you do invite them in, they could be casing the place. Returning later with buddies for some breaking and entering. Don't let them know your work schedule, talk like this is a rare time that nobody is home and you're glad you had the chance to fit them in. Some mongers prefer to incall at their own hotel room, but a lot of providers won't go to a hotel incall, fearing a LE sting. USE DISCRESSION WHEN INVITING A STRANGER INTO YOUR HOME

After reading my posting, I realized that I should have used the term OUTCALL, not incall. Please excuse my ignorance in this, but I still stand by what I say.

[Member #6963]

For you guys that are just joining us, welcome. Become a familiar face. Before you know it you're known.A2

A2 for chiming in and allowing this blog to exist.

FF.

P.S. A2 is a very lucky guy to have some of the most beautiful non-freckled pussy available in his area of the world!

[Member #6963]

USE DISCRESSION WHEN INVITING A STRANGER INTO YOUR HOME!

It's possible that your freckled GF or SO might stop by unannounced and find your face buried in another freckled womans pussy. It ain't a pretty site!

Good advice from Indy Tech about bringing only the $ you need, supplying your own condoms and installation procedures. I would only recommend an outcall to your private residence only with a secure and trusted provider. Indy Tech's scenarios are spot on and inviting someone you don't know to your residence is very risky. I once had a stripper come by my place and all went well until a couple of months later when my kids were in town she dropped by unannounced at 3 am banging on the door. The same thing also happened with a wacked out provider, no longer in Indy, who had been there before and dropped by to start shit with me while family was at my residence. Once your location is known, you have lost some of your privacy.

FF.

P.S. Freckles were flying when my GF came home unexpectedly.

[Mwdude]

Excellent instructions. My only addition is research, research, research.

[Admin2]

A lot of times the guys that have been around here awhile seem to close ranks and be less than friendly. For you guys that are just joining us, welcome. Seriously welcome to the site and I want to give you something to think about.

Say you're a guy that likes to smoke a little weed from time to time and you have just moved to a new city. You're just a hangaround kinda guy nothing special, 9-5er but you like to go out, have a beer and maybe a little toke in the parking lot. So you find a new bar. Seems like a nice place, the beer is cold, the bartender's kinda hot, the place isn't too dark or to bright, friendly place but not pushy. The first week you're there you see folks going outside and when they come back you get a little wiff of something interesting.

If you start walking around the place looking for a J to buy what's gonna happen? You're gonna get frozen out. If on the other hand, you hang out, let your face be known, have a couple convos, buy a beer or two, tip the hot bartender well, sooner or later you will get an invitation to join.

Again, welcome. If you show up asking shit tons of questions without doing any of the basics you're gonna get froze out. Read back a few pages, if you have a question let it be procedural, not informational. Figure out who is a trusted provider, take a dip write a note about it. Become a familiar face. Before you know it you're known.

A2

[Indy Tech]

Never take ANY more cash than you intend on spending. If they see you have more than discussed, they will give their best effort to get it. If you have extra in your pockets, even legit providers will rummage through your clothes if given the chance. Until you have developed a trusted relationship with your provider, it's best to have all your pockets empty. Leave anything else in your car.

Always bring your own condoms, providers don't always have them. Don't let something as simple as this limit your options, some providers will use this to their advantage. I always bring three, better to have more than you need, than none or not enough.

Always put your own condom on! Sly providers will damage it putting it on for you. I once watched a provider push her thumbnail through the wrap as she put it on me. After you have been with a provider a few times, and you both have developed trust, then you can let her "wow" you with her oral application techniques.

If you are doing an incall in your own home, "hooker proof " it before they arrive. If it's valuable, put it up. If it's valuable and not nailed down, it will leave with them if they get the chance. If I find myself needing to leave the room, either take them with you, or tell them to clap their hands non stop until you get back. They can't cram your stuff in their purse AND clap at the same time. It sounds silly, but they want their money, they will clap.

If you do decide to have a provider in your own home, think about this. You don't know her, she might be bringing three of her buddies with to rob you. Leave off all your lights, and watch who gets out of the car, and if she has passengers. If it doesn't look / feel right, don't answer the door. Let them leave, thinking they were told the wrong address and nobody was home. If you do invite them in, they could be casing the place. Returning later with buddies for some breaking and entering. Don't let them know your work schedule, talk like this is a rare time that nobody is home and you're glad you had the chance to fit them in. Some mongers prefer to incall at their own hotel room, but a lot of providers won't go to a hotel incall, fearing a LE sting. USE DISCRESSION WHEN INVITING A STRANGER INTO YOUR HOME!

Most of all, be nice to the girls that deserve it. They are providing all of us valuable services, be nice, be polite, they will want to see you again. If you become a regular, they will usually offer discounts, and bend over backwards to make you happy. If they contact you first, they need money, use it to your advantage, " I want to see you, BUT I only have this much money " , usually works for me.

[Member #6963]

Backpage and escort sites research tools:

On BP use the search and see if there are any other ads using key words or phone numbers.

On BP click the "All" in regards to locations. This will tell you if it's a mass post or local.

Google the phone number. You will be amazed at what you will find.

Search FB with the phone number. Some of you can do this on your cell phone.

Search pictures with google image or TinEye.

Google the e-mail address.

Use the "Search Thread" tool on this site in the BP, massage, escort and ripoff forums.

Read the ad because some girls don't like calls and others don't like texts. If at all possible try to get them to do both. LE doesn't really like telephone calls, they prefer texts.

Ask if they are the girl in the pic. If the pic has an identifying tattoo, freckles etc. Then bring it up.

There are various sites that consolidate BP ads by phone number. Some of these sites are a very good research tool. One site that will come up is escortbusts.com. This not an LE site, just a gimmick so don't ask.

Sign up for a paid telephone number internet search site. I haven't found one that is cheap and reliable, however others may have.

Rules to live by when visiting an unknown or unverified provider:

Arrive early and check out the surroundings, location etc.

Be aware of your surroundings and exits.

Ask if anyone is there and if yes, who and why.

Ask to use the bathroom in hotels to check them and make sure adjoining doors to other rooms are locked.

If you're interrupted then grab the contribution and get out, with minimal drama.

Remember scammers and thieves don't want to be anymore involved with LE than you do, but they will use it as a bluff.

Have a backup plan or let another hobbyist know where you are going with contact info address etc. Most providers do it so why not the hobbyist.

Listen to you spidey senses. If it doesn't feel right, walk away.

Get "comfortable" at the same time because you can't chase someone with your pants down.

Think with your big head until she's as comfortable as you are and paying attention to your little head.

When seeing a BP escort or an unknown provider DO NOT give them the contribution until services are performed. You can show it to them, but keep it in plain sight and within reach. Scammers will always try and find some way to get it from you and either run or find a reason to leave. If they start pushing you for it then use your big head and say "Sorry this just isn't working for me so I'm going to leave". If they get pissy, then just leave. When meeting at a hotel and they threaten to tell the management about you then say Ok, please bring your massage or escort license with you to the front desk so you can show them it.

Hint: When you arrive tell them you want to talk for a few minutes. This is gives you the opportunity to learn about them, the service, their attitude, let them do as much talking as possible, ask open ended questions, see how they react. If things don't feel right then leave, maybe with a minimal contribution for their time.

Anything to ad, chime on in.

FF.

P.S. The most important thing I do when researching is to get out my freckle scope!

[Member #6963]

According to Jackson there are a lot of new members joining, so welcome to the premier site whose sole purpose is "To facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women".

This blog is mainly to help the first time posters and newbies. New members at times find it tough to get answers to their questions and achieve a response to their posts and / or PM's. I find the reasons are similar to hunting with a group of guys. In every hunting group there could be new hunters and experienced hunters. The experienced hunters have a problem with new hunters who never contribute by gathering fire wood, cooking a meal, cleaning the camp and always want to know the location of the best hunting spot. If the new hunters in their eagerness to fit in are willing to listen and learn from the experienced hunters then they will normally find them helpful. If the experienced hunter does not feel the newer hunters are being respectful or are asking a lot of questions that can be found elsewhere then they may ignore them. A newer hunter should first learn the hunting rules, do some research about the different hunting skills, contribute to the hunting experience and report back when fine game is discovered. So this is one analogy, others may have different ones.

This blog hopefully will be helpful as a guide to find, research, negotiate and enjoy some good pussy. Other experienced senior members advice and input is welcomed. It's best if this blog is not used for posting reviews, please use the forums already provided. Information will be provided in various posts throughout this blog.

First and foremost:

Read the rules found in the FAQ section of this great site.

Read the abbreviations.

Learn how to use the PM's.

Learn how to create and reply to posts.

Learn how to use the "Search Thread" tool. This is your most valuable tool on the site. You can search by about anything; names, descriptions, key words (like freckles) etc.

In regards to "User Names" on this site verses other sites. Freckle Freak is just one name I have used in the past on various sites. Those of you with user names on other sites that have been in the hobby for many years and are new to this site, well we still don't know it's you. Just remember anyone can sign up on this site with a user name from another site, it means nothing until it is verified that they are the same person. LE has assumed user names from other sites either by arrest or by other means so it's important to be very cautious.

More to come.

FF.

P.S. I hope this doesn't make some freckles pop out.