"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JZLizard]

F Scott:

I may be wrong but I'm guessing HWG (or anyone who makes their living on the 'Net) probably doesn't leave important passwords written down on paper, or leave important financial docs unlocked. I used to have an entire strategy around that sort of thing for those times when I found myself bringing home a one night stand (never know, she could go through my shit when I sleep) or similar. Even today my live-in girlfriend has no access to my computers or phone or anything I have not specifically left available to her.

There are still risks though -- an SB could psycho out, trash the place or whatever. I knew one asian girl who went through her boyfriends (not me) closet with a razor and slit every garment he owned for cheating on her. But, most people don't want to go to jail.

You bring up some very good points about reputation getting trashed, online revenge sites and impact on career, etc. This is a risk to all of us I think. There is definitely an art to taking a situation with the potential to spin out of control and defusing it, just as there is an art to avoiding the kind of people who would start that type of situation up. One thing HWG has in his corner is that he's not married and thus not an ideal target for blackmail or similar games. In my opinion as long as he doesn't encounter a super-crazy one, he is at relatively low risk of this sort of thing, but yes it can happen to anyone and IMO most SDs should follow the anonymity practice I've talked about here.

I think he said no cherry was busted. IMO if she had lost her virginity to him she would be behaving very differently, and I have serious doubts that she's been honest about being a virgin at all -- the sum of her behavior just doesn't add up. But, he sees things we don't so who knows.

If there was one thing I would say "what were you thinking to" it would be spending $1500 on her without getting laid, but it's not for me to judge. I still feel gifting only after the fact is the best avoidance of over spending.

Hollywood,

I've been following your exploits over the past several months and am surprised no one has weighed in on this before. Perhaps you have already thought of this, but just in case not I wanted to point out something that might very well come back to kick your ass big time. As I read it, you now have a disenfranchised 20 something, with no further loyalty to you, staying in your house for the next 10 days, unsupervised and I assume free to roam at will.

WTF! Which drawers in your desk or dresser would you most hate for her to open? What file cabinet contains your financials, passwords, real name, etc etc? I am guessing that you are not living in a totally sterile environment, and the fact that this virgin of yours is now on the way out would give me serious pause about what kind of damage she could do, now or in the future when she has had a chance to reflect on the fact that you stole her cherry and now she is back in Hawaii or wherever and is feeling totally fucked, in all senses of the phrase.

Add that to the fact that, as you say, her parents have money and it all seems to add up to a potentially serious situation for you, reputationally if not legally.

The internet is all-seeing, all-pervasive, and never forgets. What if your next client googles you and sees that you took advantage of a barely-legal ingenue, new to the States? How does that conversation proceed? Not trying to harsh, my brother, but just wondering. If you are completely made of Teflon, then I salute you and acknowledge you are the first of your kind I have met in all my years in the Bowl, but if not you might think about damage control at this point. Yikes, I know it would make me pause to reconsider!!

Again, not harshing, but just questioning your decision if what you relate is in fact the truth in this situation.

Stay strong my brother.

Scott.

[F Scott]

I actually plan on meeting up with one 19 year old this afternoon. Because of exactly what you just said. My magic and bs is not working on the virgin, at all. LOL So I guess I am done trying. She can stay here for food and a roof, IDC. In the mean time I am going to look for some real pussy. Also got a 29 year old with her own apt that I can fuck tonite. Only 5' tall and small. If she is truly small this could be a good booty call.

Hollywood,

I've been following your exploits over the past several months and am surprised no one has weighed in on this before. Perhaps you have already thought of this, but just in case not I wanted to point out something that might very well come back to kick your ass big time. As I read it, you now have a disenfranchised 20 something, with no further loyalty to you, staying in your house for the next 10 days, unsupervised and I assume free to roam at will.

WTF! Which drawers in your desk or dresser would you most hate for her to open? What file cabinet contains your financials, passwords, real name, etc etc? I am guessing that you are not living in a totally sterile environment, and the fact that this virgin of yours is now on the way out would give me serious pause about what kind of damage she could do, now or in the future when she has had a chance to reflect on the fact that you stole her cherry and now she is back in Hawaii or wherever and is feeling totally fucked, in all senses of the phrase.

Add that to the fact that, as you say, her parents have money and it all seems to add up to a potentially serious situation for you, reputationally if not legally.

The internet is all-seeing, all-pervasive, and never forgets. What if your next client googles you and sees that you took advantage of a barely-legal ingenue, new to the States? How does that conversation proceed? Not trying to harsh, my brother, but just wondering. If you are completely made of Teflon, then I salute you and acknowledge you are the first of your kind I have met in all my years in the Bowl, but if not you might think about damage control at this point. Yikes, I know it would make me pause to reconsider!!

Again, not harshing, but just questioning your decision if what you relate is in fact the truth in this situation.

Stay strong my brother.

Scott.

[Member #5570]

Do virgins bring like good luck or something. Just tonite alone I have had like 4 POTS say something to the effect of "I'm so exited to meet you. I'm only 19 and new to all this. You pay a $ a date? Sure whatever, how fast can I meet you?" but its like a catch 22, if I fuck the POTS then the virgin won't want me. LOL.

Fuck the POTs in front of the vigin. Maybe that will get her wet and want some sock. LOL.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have never once had any SB say "I'm so exited to meet you. I'm only 19 and new to all this. You pay a $ a date? Sure whatever, how fast can I meet you?

If they say "how fast can you meet up", you better agree to see them within 24 hours or they will be moving on to the next guy.

I actually plan on meeting up with one 19 year old this afternoon. Because of exactly what you just said. My magic and bs is not working on the virgin, at all. LOL So I guess I am done trying. She can stay here for food and a roof, IDC. In the mean time I am going to look for some real pussy. Also got a 29 year old with her own apt that I can fuck tonite. Only 5' tall and small. If she is truly small this could be a good booty call.

[FredMoore]

I don't see this as the right place for politics.

I agree. Unless the politics impacts Mongering.

[JZLizard]

Okay well I have an idea of what industry you're talking about, but it doesn't matter.

I wasn't speaking about any one industry, I was saying that my line of work is somewhat versatile in the sense I can pump money out of whatever is on politically. If we are creating frivolous wars with countries based on trumped up falsehoods, I can shift my focus to the DoD or wherever money is being spent. If we are focusing on being a "green" nation I can shift my focus there and make money that way. That's all I meant.

I do care who is in office and it doesn't matter if it benefits me, however if the philosophy of our forefathers and a monetary system pre Federal Reserve Act of 1912 were instituted I and everyone else would benefit socially and financially. I must respond without getting into a political discussion regarding the back and forth you and HWG had about the economy is good and all is well. The economy is still not good and all is not well. The reason things "look well" is because of the Fed. pumping money into the economy and stock market, The stock market has not been behaving like it used to for a few years now. What I mean by that is I used to be able to chart stocks and had several analysis to confirm a favorable chart pattern by a company. You can't do that anymore. It is almost like all of it is artificial, because the Fed keeps propping up the market by printing money. No the economy if not doing well. It is artificially doing well. It is my belief we are in for a fall on a larger scale than 2008 and sooner than people think. It is my belief the dollar will debase itself and we will have a world currency someday. Thank the Fed for the bipolar ride its policies have created that has scared the world who rely on the dollar for trade.

If I were going to extend this discussion, I would just summarize by saying take a look at a historical graph of the stock market during the Bush era versus during the Obama era, and tell me which one looks more "bipolar"? There is and always has been a lot of artificial manipulation of the stock market. The stock market itself, and the fact that it causes these organizations to care more about what they can present to their shareholders at the quarterly dog and pony show is one of the biggest problems in itself. It has encouraged a level of short-term thinking that is starting to show its flaws. The business methods that the good ole boy network got comfortable with were not sustainable and not able to adapt to a changing world. It seems Karl Marx was right in that capitalism inevitably destroys itself over the long haul. We are all going to have to face the fact that what does and doesn't work is going to change more rapidly than it did in the past, it's changing more rapidly for us than it did for our forefathers. Speaking of whom, the moment Reagan decided that printing money beyond what was in the federal reserve was a good idea, he basically sealed our fate and fucked us all.

I know I may have just opened a can of worms. I don't see this as the right place for politics though so I will bow out of this leg of the discussion.

[JoeBogus]

Do virgins bring like good luck or something. Just tonite alone I have had like 4 POTS say something to the effect of "I'm so exited to meet you. I'm only 19 and new to all this. You pay a $ a date? Sure whatever, how fast can I meet you?" but its like a catch 22, if I fuck the POTS then the virgin won't want me. LOL.

HWG, I have to admire your magic touch.

I have never once had any SB say "I'm so exited to meet you. I'm only 19 and new to all this. You pay a $ a date? Sure whatever, how fast can I meet you?

First, if they are 19, they will most likely flake and not show up, even if they have agreed on the amount.

Second, if they are "new to this", they are just playing around on the site for kicks and will most likely flake and not show up.

Third, if the are 19 and attractive, they likely suffer from GPS, and will ask for more if they show up.

If they say "how fast can you meet up", you better agree to see them within 24 hours or they will be moving on to the next guy.

JMHO.

God, I love this forum.

[Mike7794]

Do virgins bring like good luck or something. Just tonite alone I have had like 4 POTS say something to the effect of "I'm so exited to meet you. I'm only 19 and new to all this. You pay a $ a date? Sure whatever, how fast can I meet you?" but its like a catch 22, if I fuck the POTS then the virgin won't want me. LOL.

No good luck. Just rare.

Maybe don't have the virgin live with you, then maybe you can have both. I know easier said than done.

[Mike7794]

No, I wasn't joking. And, I didn't mean for my own benefit. In my line of work I can make money simply by shifting my focus to whatever industry is benefitting from current policy. In terms of my own income or tax situation it really matters little whether Bush or Obama is in office. I was referring to the economy overall and what it means to most people.

A lot of people express a political preference based on how their own personal situation is affected. My preferences are not shaped by such a narrow focus. There is fact and there is opinion. Our economy is in better shape, that much cannot be denied.

Even still that's getting pretty off topic. What might be an interesting topic is to discuss how the economy affects SB activity. I've always heard that the "pro" market gets better in tough economic times (makes sense to me). Is the same true for SBs? When unemployment is down, are they less likely to seek additional funding sources? I'm guessing their behavior is fairly inelastic, because it is fueled more by the desire for nice things and the lower income that naturally comes with youth (regardless of the state of the economy).

Okay well I have an idea of what industry you're talking about, but it doesn't matter.

I do care who is in office and it doesn't matter if it benefits me, however if the philosophy of our forefathers and a monetary system pre Federal Reserve Act of 1912 were instituted I and everyone else would benefit socially and financially. I must respond without getting into a political discussion regarding the back and forth you and HWG had about the economy is good and all is well. The economy is still not good and all is not well. The reason things "look well" is because of the Fed. pumping money into the economy and stock market, The stock market has not been behaving like it used to for a few years now. What I mean by that is I used to be able to chart stocks and had several analysis to confirm a favorable chart pattern by a company. You can't do that anymore. It is almost like all of it is artificial, because the Fed keeps propping up the market by printing money. No the economy if not doing well. It is artificially doing well. It is my belief we are in for a fall on a larger scale than 2008 and sooner than people think. It is my belief the dollar will debase itself and we will have a world currency someday. Thank the Fed for the bipolar ride its policies have created that has scared the world who rely on the dollar for trade.

Lastly one could argue for both sides regarding SB's and unemployment being low. I agree regarding the Pros. If the SB's are working in a low tax society they would be better able to have the nice things, but in a higher taxed society they might be working, and paying their bills, but are pretty much working paycheck to paycheck, because of the insanely high taxed society we are in. People just don't realize how incredibly taxed we are, and it started way before our current socialist leader.

[HollywoodGuy]

Ha my money is on you keeping the virgin.

Do virgins bring like good luck or something. Just tonite alone I have had like 4 POTS say something to the effect of "I'm so exited to meet you. I'm only 19 and new to all this. You pay a $ a date? Sure whatever, how fast can I meet you?" but its like a catch 22, if I fuck the POTS then the virgin won't want me. LOL.

[HollywoodGuy]

Ha my money is on you keeping the virgin.

Well for now we agreed that I can have some fun, but no fucking. I also do not have to pay her anymore except for food. So that's maybe .2 a day. She eats almost nothing. And I can also fuck anyone I want and she will leave the house for me to be able to do that.

I told her I would (and I will) wear a condom for the next 10 days in case she changes her mind about the fucking. So I have given her permission to stay here for 10 days. I need to court this girl if that's even possible. But due to being on the hunt and not having anything too regular right now (even my ATF is at once a week lately) I am happy she is here.

She does have me convinced that she is from a middle class family (her dad is a lawyer). And he is sending her money to stay out here for the summer. Maybe longer. I told her I am open to a real relationship if she is. Meaning if she steps up, she can stay here indefinitely. So 10 days and counting. I really don't think it's going to work, but she is a lot of fun to be around in every other way. But pussy always has to come first. Since I have never attempted anything close to this, it's a calculated risk. But my gut tells me after the 10 days it will be over.

Obviously she has some kind of cover story. I am sure her parents would be less than happy if they knew what was really going on with their little angel on her summer vaca.

[FTP1999]

So how did you find her ads?

Just curious, maybe you know a way I don't?

..she replied back, "Oh ok but how did you find that as all I get is nothing like that when I look up my phone number". After I told her how to search for her ads, she said thanks and call me if I change my mind.

I don't have anything against escorts as I've used them before but I prefer to know upfront. Just started meeting another college student who is probably utr but at least we did a m&g and a couple of dinners before hitting the fc.

[First Half]

I guess online sales of what would be the salient question. Sometimes a simple media trend can cause a run on anything. Just a couple of weeks ago, anyone selling confederate flags was pretty much an overnight success as folks started stockpiling them. The economy overall is in good shape though. Folks can say what they want about Obama but I'll take this over the Bush era anyday.

Ditto! I've made way more money with Obama in charge that I ever did with Bush.

[EasyGoingJ]

For the most part these are wonderful ladies who bring us much joy, and they should be appreciated, respected, and looked out for.

If they are in an area not served by PP, there are also free clinics in many cities (esp. Those with a Med School) as well as most every town having a local health department where a wide range of services are free. I think there are 20 health clinics for every PP here in Va, so they might be helpful in a rural area not served by PP.

Let's all keep each other healthy and safe! J.

[JZLizard]

Your joking, right?

No, I wasn't joking. And, I didn't mean for my own benefit. In my line of work I can make money simply by shifting my focus to whatever industry is benefitting from current policy. In terms of my own income or tax situation it really matters little whether Bush or Obama is in office. I was referring to the economy overall and what it means to most people.

A lot of people express a political preference based on how their own personal situation is affected. My preferences are not shaped by such a narrow focus. There is fact and there is opinion. Our economy is in better shape, that much cannot be denied.

Even still that's getting pretty off topic. What might be an interesting topic is to discuss how the economy affects SB activity. I've always heard that the "pro" market gets better in tough economic times (makes sense to me). Is the same true for SBs? When unemployment is down, are they less likely to seek additional funding sources? I'm guessing their behavior is fairly inelastic, because it is fueled more by the desire for nice things and the lower income that naturally comes with youth (regardless of the state of the economy).