"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FredMoore]

At what point does an SB become something more professional? Is the difference how you meet her? Or how many guys she is seeing?

I have met SBs from the SA site that seem to be very low volume. I've met SBs from craigslist that seem to be very low mileage.

I would consider backpage contacts as escorts or UTR- no plans on trying that.

Take out from restaurants- always a fun challenge and I consider them UTR.

I would like to make sure future posts go in the right section.

Hound.

We all go back and forth on this. But IMHO a Pro is someone working 2 or more men for money. For your purposes posting on this this thread, any SB found IRL or on a Sugar website, and who is not listed on CL, BP, with an agency or pimp or has her own professional webpage can be considered an Sb until being proven otherwise. One could argue that a true SB could come from anywhere -like CL or BP, or in the personal listings FFM or other dating sites like AM, Fling, Match, etc. There is a fine line between Pros and SBs. I guess that line would be the existence of a relationship beyond just sex for money.

[HollywoodGuy]

I get what you mean and agree when considered in a certain context. There are plenty of true SBs out there that might even join in on the fun with other girls if the circumstances are right. But, what I didn't communicate very well is that I was speaking mostly about Asian SBs. Yours might be a bit different in the sense that she grew up (I'm assuming) in the USA. But, if she is as innocent as she claims, and from a rich family as she claims, she would be subject to some of the cultural anomalies of her "non-Americanized" counterparts.

To an Asian girl, most of the traits you've described above would not impress them. Bad boys / playboys / etc. Who get all the pussy they can find time for are all over their male dominated culture, so being "that guy" doesn't buy much with them. They have in their minds that they should always be an SB to a large extent, even in a "regular" civy relationship, it's up to the male to take care of them. Its a cultural thing. They are also more likely to get jealous or possessive, particularly after you're fucking them, than an American girl would, and less likely to be open-minded to threesomes and what not. They can also get weird even if you are in a fairly open arrangement with them when it comes to being accepting of you having unprotected sex with other girls, partially because of the perceived health risk to them. I can remember dating one who was cheating on her fianc with me. She knew another girl was coming to stay the weekend with me and she didn't even bat an eye, until later it dawned on her that I was probably going bareback with the other girl just as I had been doing with her, then she started freaking out giving me lectures about HIV and so forth.

Now all of this is shamefully stereotypical and you will absolutely find exceptions (particularly if they grew up in the US), but once you've been with countless numbers of them you will start to notice patterns of generalizations that do seem to hold up overall.

Oh yeah, and you've already encountered some of the menstrual madness. Get ready for a lot more of that rollercoaster with Asians. lol.... it can get pretty bad. Worse IMO than with USA girls.

Yeah, I don't date too many asians. Except for my ex roommate, I have only had a few. Here is a cute indonesian girl I lived with until she tried to get me to kick the habit for good. I managed to stay exclusive to her for 6 months until it just became too much for me to handle. And this girl was a 9 in the sack. And a little kinky.

I my situation I can't really hide what I do, so I have to just find girls that are accepting of my lifestyle. This is the last one that made any real attempt to, and that was already maybe 3 years ago. Not gonna happen.

[JZLizard]

There are many true SB's that accept the multiple baby theorem. Its pretty simple. Would you rather be with a guy that can prove he takes care of his girls (with in your face absolute proof). Or take your chances on a Mr Big Talk and that might be married?
(sorry guys)

And of course there is always the mystique of being with a guy that attracts more women than he could ever fuck. They want to know what makes that guy so special. Must be something good, right?

And then uniquely in my case if they happen to see my daughter or her car they are blown away. So I got a few features that get me my benefits. And the 5 steps, that will work for anyone. Modified or just brainlessly mailing it out en mass.

Plus the whole responsible but still a bad boy type. A risk worth taking for many.

I get what you mean and agree when considered in a certain context. There are plenty of true SBs out there that might even join in on the fun with other girls if the circumstances are right. But, what I didn't communicate very well is that I was speaking mostly about Asian SBs. Yours might be a bit different in the sense that she grew up (I'm assuming) in the USA. But, if she is as innocent as she claims, and from a rich family as she claims, she would be subject to some of the cultural anomalies of her "non-Americanized" counterparts.

To an Asian girl, most of the traits you've described above would not impress them. Bad boys / playboys / etc. Who get all the pussy they can find time for are all over their male dominated culture, so being "that guy" doesn't buy much with them. They have in their minds that they should always be an SB to a large extent, even in a "regular" civy relationship, it's up to the male to take care of them. Its a cultural thing. They are also more likely to get jealous or possessive, particularly after you're fucking them, than an American girl would, and less likely to be open-minded to threesomes and what not. They can also get weird even if you are in a fairly open arrangement with them when it comes to being accepting of you having unprotected sex with other girls, partially because of the perceived health risk to them. I can remember dating one who was cheating on her fianc with me. She knew another girl was coming to stay the weekend with me and she didn't even bat an eye, until later it dawned on her that I was probably going bareback with the other girl just as I had been doing with her, then she started freaking out giving me lectures about HIV and so forth.

Now all of this is shamefully stereotypical and you will absolutely find exceptions (particularly if they grew up in the US), but once you've been with countless numbers of them you will start to notice patterns of generalizations that do seem to hold up overall.

Oh yeah, and you've already encountered some of the menstrual madness. Get ready for a lot more of that rollercoaster with Asians. lol.... it can get pretty bad. Worse IMO than with USA girls.

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[HollywoodGuy]

This spinner seems to be ready to rock. AA 5'7" and 110. A dancer currently on the road but says she will be in L. A. soon. She called me, so that's always a positive sign as I had lost her number.

[RagTop66]

I have been enjoying the posts on this 'side' of the site, for some time. I tried early on to find a suitable SB that was reasonably local. Actually stumbled on one at CL. She was looking for a ltr and after a zillion emails we met back in March. I took it very slow and didn't push for sex, right away, though she knew that would be the goal. Long story short, we have had a great relationship sexually. In fact it has been some of the best I have EVER had. She's a 10 in the sack and submissive. She loves the daddy / daughter dynamic. But enough about her.

3 months ago I joined SA and found it to be one of the most frustrating experiences I've had with women. Cancellations, late arrivals, one even showed up with a GUY (her neighbor who was 'looking out' for her. I had had it! Then something told me to stick it out for one more month.

I did and everything changed. I found an 18 yo (19 now) Asian girl who lives out of town. Fortunately (and by design) she is in an area I work regularly. We talked by email for a month, before we did a M&G. It went just okay, I thought and wouldn't have been surprised if she blew me off when I called.

I called her the next week and she agreed to see me, but said she expected 5 for a visit. I used the HWG method of reason but it didn't seem to take. I thanked her for her time and wished her much success. Two days later, she texts me and apologizes and agrees to my terms.

She doesn't have a car, so I pick her up at her apt. We get a nice dinner and head to my hotel. (FWIW Indian food is a BAD idea for a first date. Her choice) We chat a while and I take the lead and start oral on her while she's sitting in a chair. There is nothing more satisfying than 18 yo pussy. I glove up and we roll for 45 minutes. I was exhausted. She was tired too, so I offered to drive her home.

She gets this wounded puppy expression and asks if I was unhappy with her performance?? I say no, but we can fine tune it. She informs me that the glove is unnecessary because of BC.

We go again and then I HAVE to sleep. Of course we're both naked in bed and I can help myself. Twice I wake her and we go at it. Have to love youth.

We have another date this week. I am SOOOO happy that I listened to that little voice. Now there seem to be several who are interested. Do they talk with each other? Anyway, thanks for the invaluable guidance!

[HollywoodGuy]

I think someone looking for a true SB situation is going to have a problem with their "boyfriend" or SD bringing girls over by the hour. Just one of the differences between SBs and UTR escorts.

There are many true SB's that accept the multiple baby theorem. Its pretty simple. Would you rather be with a guy that can prove he takes care of his girls (with in your face absolute proof). Or take your chances on a Mr Big Talk and that might be married?
(sorry guys)

And of course there is always the mystique of being with a guy that attracts more women than he could ever fuck. They want to know what makes that guy so special. Must be something good, right?

And then uniquely in my case if they happen to see my daughter or her car they are blown away. So I got a few features that get me my benefits. And the 5 steps, that will work for anyone. Modified or just brainlessly mailing it out en mass.

Plus the whole responsible but still a bad boy type. A risk worth taking for many.

[FredMoore]

I love Asians! The spinner bodies, the glossy black hair, etc. But one of my favorite SBs was a Korean beauty who entertained me at home (her) for $250 all night. We had bareback sex and she screamed her brains out when orgasming -it was HOt! But she had a rule -she did not like kissing. That was a bummer but oral was great as was the multifucking. But she got herself SD #2 who gave her chlamydia, so she decided no more BB sex and the cost went up to $500. Well by now I'm thinking UTR evolving but I had the hunger, so I refused $5 but agreed to one try with a cover. It was a no go and I said right then and there no condo and $250 or move on. She agreed and we had a few more dates but she "gave up " the lifestyle. SHe moved to Florida, but I do miss her screaming tight pussy.

SB to SO -what's to watch out for? Everything. Why ruin a good thing Bro? How many years separate you two?

Mike, judging from your 3 SBs, we have similar taste. They are all hot to me.

[JZLizard]

It had more to do with her realizing my level of promiscuity overall. Which doesn't always sink in with these girls immediately. It took her about 3 weeks to fully understand who she was dealing with. A crazy person. LOL.

I think someone looking for a true SB situation is going to have a problem with their "boyfriend" or SD bringing girls over by the hour. Just one of the differences between SBs and UTR escorts.

[HollywoodGuy]

Know what is your exit strategy BEFORE you go into this! Have it thought out, set-up and in place!

You are going to make yourself more vulnerable to a SB girl. What possibly could go wrong?

Every time I get in this situation I know the breakup is most likely gonna come from my side and it isn't going to be pretty or easy. I always paper things over at the end, when theoretically I should be paying less, just so the girl cant say shit that I used her or whatever.

I am always in this game for the sex but I love the illusion of being deeply in love with these girls when we are together as well. I know this is just going to make it even that much harder to break up when we do. But I don't care.

My Hawaiian Princess is going out of town for a few days (and is on her period anyway), but I went over to just say hi to her this morning at her cousins house before she left. Just to solidify the fact that we are done fighting and that she is gonna move back in wed until she leaves at the end of the month. She still has all her stuff at my house anyway. She just took a small bag to travel with.

So back to the original question. Exit strategy. Never easy, but the pain and drama of the breakup is worth all the crazy sex and/or playing house. For me anyway. Only a very few times was there minor drama. Usually its a mini or even major nightmare. This applies to any girl you have had sex with at least 50 times. If it was only like 10 times, that doesn't even qualify as a real relationship.

[Cephlapod Love]

I find myself in a SB relationship that's now been a 8-9 month ordeal. We've been discussing being more exclusive and living together. She's a total spinner and full-time grad student. I'm burned out of seeing new SBs that don't compare physically and in holding my attention. It's been hard turning down 21 year old wet pu $$why at the simple access of a text message, but overall I feel good about my current SB / GF situation. Anything to look out for when getting closer with your SB?

Know what is your exit strategy BEFORE you go into this! Have it thought out, set-up and in place!

You are going to make yourself more vulnerable to a SB girl. What possibly could go wrong?

[HollywoodGuy]

It had more to do with her realizing my level of promiscuity overall. Which doesn't always sink in with these girls immediately. It took her about 3 weeks to fully understand who she was dealing with. A crazy person. LOL.

We made up today. So she postponed her return till the 24th, but she started her period today. Maybe that's why she was acting all crazy? I may or may not see her again. If I do, I told her no more sugar, since I over spent already. So we will see what she decides. But I ended up at about 1.5 a date, so she would owe me like 5 dates to get the numbers back down to about 1.1 per. I told her only food and she only eats at taco bell, so no big deal.

She said some relative was sending her money, so maybe its a stall tactic, but I don't think this girl has too many tactics. It's gonna come down to her acceptance of other girls.

I have lost girls in one day because of this, some have begrudgingly hung in there and others could give a shit. But I wouldn't mind getting back to work on her. As it was all pretty sexy. And I like her endurance. Beach pic in Malibu.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

I find myself in a SB relationship that's now been a 8-9 month ordeal. We've been discussing being more exclusive and living together. She's a total spinner and full-time grad student. I'm burned out of seeing new SBs that don't compare physically and in holding my attention. It's been hard turning down 21 year old wet pu $$why at the simple access of a text message, but overall I feel good about my current SB / GF situation. Anything to look out for when getting closer with your SB?

[HollywoodGuy]

Was the assumption by any chance that, if a naked girl happens to be in your bed in the middle of the night that you should be able to fuck her? I ask because I've been there. I have this issue of "sleepwalking sex" where if a girl is in bed (even if I've already fucked her before going to sleep), there's a good chance I will enter "sleepwalk-boner mode", especially if I've had a few drinks. I just start going through the motions of foreplay and I'm usually almost to the point of insertion before I fully wake up.

It had more to do with her realizing my level of promiscuity overall. Which doesn't always sink in with these girls immediately. It took her about 3 weeks to fully understand who she was dealing with. A crazy person. LOL.

[JZLizard]

It's basically over and at the moment we are in sort of a fight. I made a couple of assumptions that got me in to a world of trouble. I hope I can smooth things over (which I seriously doubt) and get one last visit in before she is totally long gone. I am like Spock being yelled at by McCoy. "Are you out of your Vulcan mind?

Was the assumption by any chance that, if a naked girl happens to be in your bed in the middle of the night that you should be able to fuck her? I ask because I've been there. I have this issue of "sleepwalking sex" where if a girl is in bed (even if I've already fucked her before going to sleep), there's a good chance I will enter "sleepwalk-boner mode", especially if I've had a few drinks. I just start going through the motions of foreplay and I'm usually almost to the point of insertion before I fully wake up.

When you started describing the abrupt breakup, I recalled a girl I dated many years ago. She was from Taiwan, and like your Hawaiian girl she was from an extremely wealthy family (father owned a huge Taiwanese company) and was going to college in America because she wanted to, princess gets what princess wants, and I guess her parents liked the "prestige" that a degree from a US school brings in Asia. I met her on a civy dating site, she already had all the money anyone could want and didn't need an SD.

So after a few weeks of chat and phone call she agrees to come meet me (she lived a couple of hours away), staying at my house for 3 nights during her break for school. One of the conditions of the visit was that she would have to herself a spare bedroom of my house (because she didn't know if we would hit it off in person, and she wanted to be sure that there was no pressure to "date" me if the chemistry wasn't there.) So, I agreed and when she arrived showed her the bedroom she would be staying in. I didn't mind her cautious approach because I like to meet in person first too, and was a little worried I might be stuck for 3 nights with someone I couldn't stand.

Well everything went well enough from the moment she walked in. By lights out on the first day, I had her on board to sleep in the same bed with me, but she was extremely adamant that there would be no sex (she was not a virgin but the no sex rule was because she said it's bad luck to start off any relationship based on sex and she wanted to know me better first). I'm not sure how I restrained myself that night. Second night, kissing before sleep but I kept my word and went to sleep with no fucking or uninvited molesting in the middle of the night. So third night, last night before she had to go back to school she decides it's game on and fucked me and declares me her new "boyfriend". LOL.

Now the relationship itself was a nightmare. I only dated her for maybe 4 months but that girl was one of the bigger pain in the asses I ever remember committing to a relationship with, and while she was hot she wasn't even particularly great at sex. She was a constant source of arguments, attempts to be bossy and control every situation (which is never going to be a good combination with my personality), she always trying to make some new "deal" or "rule" in the relationship that was to her advantage and I eventually just broke up, told her to fuck off, blocked all her chats and calls and that was that (one of the coldest breakups I've ever had to do).

So, long story short I cannot claim good luck with these mega-rich Asian girls. I think being spoiled they are pre-programmed to be neither good sex partners or relationship participants, at least from what I've seen.

I think you said you were never allowed penetration with the Hawaiian girl -- I wouldn't sweat it though, because most likely you would have been disappointed with the overall performance. The journey of the imagination during the anticipation stage is often much better than the actual performance.