"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Rouleur]

"Per meeting you'd give me $300-$600 depending on the pictures you submit to me : )
Let me know when we can start. ".

At those prices I am sure she would start at 3 am on a sunday nite if she had to. And its kind of an insulting answer to someone that might be new in the bowl.

My pics are worth a $ maybe $$ for a true 10 (this girl was maybe an 8/9). Although I have yet to offer $$ to any girl since I went on a budget a few years ago. I am still eating (literally) the low hanging fruit. Which in some ways diminishes the sweetness. And in some ways enhances it. realistically I do have to make some compromises.

In the auction world I have seen rich guys pay insane prices for things and also buy everything in sight, and they do seem to get some small satisfaction out of it. But I have also seen average guys bide their time to find a hidden gem when no one was looking and still be marveling over it years later. If I could afford to I would bid higher knowing that some of those $$ and maybe even $$$ bids would bring untold value. And especially so if there was nothing at $ worth bidding on (because I am not going to go without).

But as long as there is a bigger supply than my current demand I am just gonna keep on doing what I do. Which is to shoot for the 7/9's in looks and keep the 9/10's in skills. Because I would rather have to fantasize that a girl is better looking than have to pray I was gonna cum good in the end.

A few months ago, mainly because I can afford it, I paid the $k+ price to spend time with SB's that I guess most would consider a 10. My type of 10 is tall, thin, 21-mid 20's and European. Living in Las Vegas, this type is easy to find. I haven't written about them before because, frankly, I'm not as gifted at relating my experiences like some of the frequent contributors here. I met with 4 different SBs that met my type and all 4 were 5/6 in skills and below average in conversation. I understand for many Men here conversation doesn't rate but for me I like to do a dinner date with conversation and then desert in my suite. I don't blame the SBs for their mediocrity, I think they are so used to Men being so ga ga over their looks and presence that allowing penetration and swallowing should be enough. For me, I want more.

My most satisfactory dates have been my body type but more like an 8 in facial beauty. Very nice but not the "stop the room" knockout type of looks. My 8's tend to be confident about their looks but not completely relying on their beauty to carry them through the evening. I spend mid $$$ for the 8's time and affection and it seems a nice deal for both of us. I know many of you can get similar or better quality for less than what I donate, but I'm okay with what I pay and Las Vegas is such a large market I'm not worried about influencing the price index.

[HollywoodGuy]

"Per meeting you'd give me $300-$600 depending on the pictures you submit to me : )
Let me know when we can start. ".

At those prices I am sure she would start at 3 am on a sunday nite if she had to. And its kind of an insulting answer to someone that might be new in the bowl.

My pics are worth a $ maybe $$ for a true 10 (this girl was maybe an 8/9). Although I have yet to offer $$ to any girl since I went on a budget a few years ago. I am still eating (literally) the low hanging fruit. Which in some ways diminishes the sweetness. And in some ways enhances it. realistically I do have to make some compromises.

In the auction world I have seen rich guys pay insane prices for things and also buy everything in sight, and they do seem to get some small satisfaction out of it. But I have also seen average guys bide their time to find a hidden gem when no one was looking and still be marveling over it years later. If I could afford to I would bid higher knowing that some of those $$ and maybe even $$$ bids would bring untold value. And especially so if there was nothing at $ worth bidding on (because I am not going to go without).

But as long as there is a bigger supply than my current demand I am just gonna keep on doing what I do. Which is to shoot for the 7/9's (face/body) in looks and keep the ones that are 9/10's in the skills dept. Because I would rather have to fantasize that a girl is prettier looking than have to pray I was gonna cum good in the end.

[HollywoodGuy]

A few things I've noticed about SA.

And compared to SD4M.

SA. Has way more girls.

SA. Has way more GPS girls.

SA. The GPS girls want way more than the SD4M GPS girls.

SA. Has far fewer black girls (as a percentage).

SA. The girls take way longer to respond.

SA. Overall prettier girls, college girls and career girls and real NP's.

SA. I think the overall site experience is better. But SD4M has some good features as well.

But for apprx. $50 each its still worth having them both for now.

Just an interesting FYI. As far as internet marketing goes. The SD sites are paying me far more than the many other dating sites I work for. Conclusion. The other mainstream sites are saturated and the SD world is growing. The only exception is eHarmony, especially when they are having a free weekend special.

[IluvSmellyFish]

A few things I've noticed about SA.

If you sign up and leave a new account alone for long enough, you will be offerered a discount. Not that $20 will make a difference to anyone but I'd rather add give extra sugar to a SB I like than to a money making corporation.

If you sign up and leave your account alone long enough, SA will increase the visibility of your profile. Presumably if you get enough messages telling you that lots of women have viewed your profile and or those women send you a message, it will help push you to sign up.

A few months back I created a new profile in anticipation of tearing down my old profile and starting a new one. I decided to renew my old account though because I had lingering messages from six or seven new pots that I wanted to follow up on. In the interim, the new profile I had created was sitting fallow.

In the span of just three months, that profile accumulated 90 messages and over 300 views. SA offered a discount to upgrade that profile to premium.

Overall I haven't needed to renew my account for the past few months since I've had existing babies to play with and a pretty full real life schedule with work, real life stuff, etc.

If and when I do decide to renew though, I will probably dump my old profile and use the new one.

Long story short, for a discount on the SA subscription fee, just create multiple new accounts and "activate" them once you're offered the discount. You'll also benefit from the websites decision to promote that profile in an attempt to get you to sign up, since there may very well be a few leads already waiting for you when you "activate" that profile.

[Member #5144]

Made up for it with another SB later that evening. Took her to five star restaurant and then FC at a hotel. No discussion on sugar. Sex was awesome, lasted several hours. 22/ M / Petite. Body /8, face 8, sex /8. This girls a winner. We drank so much I forgot to compensate her for her time.

Good rebound!

[HoyaSvnFgr]

New SB, had M&G a week ago. 24/ Mixed / Petite. Body /7 Face /6 Sex /2. Profile pics looked awesome. In person realized the pics were before child birth. Personally, I prefer women that haven't had children. No discussion about sugar. She texts me early in the am, we chat a bit and she's on her way to my place. She was just a dead lay. Like a motionless sex doll. The oral was skillful, but overall substandard experience. I came in like 2 minutes and couldn't get her to leave. Terrible experience. I need to go with my first mind on these things. My logic used to be that you can't have filet mignon all the time, sometimes a bologna sandwich can be filling and delicious too. In this case the bologna sandwich was f&ing disgusting.

Made up for it with another SB later that evening. Took her to five star restaurant and then FC at a hotel. No discussion on sugar. Sex was awesome, lasted several hours. 22/ M / Petite. Body /8, face 8, sex /8. This girls a winner. We drank so much I forgot to compensate her for her time.

[FredMoore]

I was texting with a "married but looking" lady, hott. Hottt. Hotttt.

She tells me she is doing a 73-year old man, who is giving her some serious allowance.

73 years? Holly. I got instant respect for that unknown man.

I almost asked her to give me his number, so I can tell him he is g-o-d, doing this at 73.

The lady was begging me to make her an offer because she is "so tired of the senior citizen day", but she was greedy asking for $500 per meet. No woman is worth that in my opinion, I am much lower. I offered to have an affair with her (a short stint) at a lower rate but it was a no go.

So, while I told her bye, I still respected the 73-year old for being able to hit that.

Wow.

I can only wish that I make it o that age and can still get it up.

Holly smokes!

It just goes to show that many hot girls will do what it takes to score the bucks and earn bragging rights with their Homies. Everyone has a price, it just might not be yours.

[TacoLover23]

This girl is on SA. Mostly I only search for 18-20. And then all the black and mixed girls 18-27 that identify as slim or athletic. I burned through all the old profiles on SA. Now I can only hit up the new profiles. I still do it on day one as many drop off within the first week. Also I don't discriminate based on their looks. Some GPS looking girls aren't. Some average looking girls turn out to be hot in person. This one just hit my search. And says money isn't her only motivation. Also I tuned up the 5 steps recently. Minor changes I made based on feedback I received. Minor but relevant.

Totally agree that one can burn through profiles on SA and the new ones drop off like flies. I think the game on there might be to create a new profile every 3 months and 'act' like a new SD with some, but not a lot of, experience. And FWIW, I love the 5 steps. It's working so thank you.

I have a reg SB thanks to this blog and one I text a lot. The reg is dirty and fun but doesn't ask for anything, and because of that I happily help when I see her. The text one owns a business, she doesn't ask for anything because she is too busy (and knows she is too busy to be a reg), but when we get together, she just wants someone to pay for a nice dinner and drinks and reciprocates by buying a round.

[TacoLover23]

I have see a few posts on the subject of marriage on here lately. So I thought I would put my two cents in.

You work hard, take care of your family. Your loving wife decides she no longer likes you. So now you have to give her half to 2/3's your income, till she gets married again.

Agreed, because, 'judge, she stopped rubbing my balls one morning circa 2006 so I found someone that did' doesn't go over well with the courts in America.

[FTP1999]

I was texting with a "married but looking" lady, hott. Hottt. Hotttt.

She tells me she is doing a 73-year old man, who is giving her some serious allowance.

73 years? Holly. I got instant respect for that unknown man.

I almost asked her to give me his number, so I can tell him he is g-o-d, doing this at 73.

The lady was begging me to make her an offer because she is "so tired of the senior citizen day", but she was greedy asking for $500 per meet. No woman is worth that in my opinion, I am much lower. I offered to have an affair with her (a short stint) at a lower rate but it was a no go.

So, while I told her bye, I still respected the 73-year old for being able to hit that.

Wow.

I can only wish that I make it o that age and can still get it up.

Holly smokes!

[FTP1999]

So comrades,

What morons actually give a girl money before even meeting the girl?

There are plenty of sap stories out there, many could use money right away.

I always say "I want to help you, but we need to meet first".

I ran into a situation this week. I was working this girl over text, she asked for some help before having met, I gave her my standard answer, some moron gave her the money without meeting her, and she cut me off.

All that work wasted.

Seriously, who gives a girl money without having met them before?

Wow!

[LuckySouthern]

Hi guys, newbie here, amazed / inspired / motivated at what I'm reading in this thread! I live in another part of the US. I got on the SD4 3 day trial and was immediately buried with obvious scam emails.

I can delete those easily enough, but I also sent out over 30 emails to real-looking profiles, using some of the templates suggested here. I got one response, and most of my emails I see, were still not even opened after a day or 2. It seems like a ghost town to me.

BTW, no way I'd give a real CC# to that site, given the horror stories you can read online about trying to cancel! Luckily my bank can generate a single-use CC# with spending & time limits.

So I used a CC# with a $1 limit & to sign up for the 3 day trial. Then I only pay for a monthly if I choose to. Not automatically. Highly suggest this technique for all your online pursuits.

[HollywoodGuy]

How the heck you managed to keep finding girls like this.

Kudos to you Sir.

This girl is on SA. Mostly I only search for 18-20. And then all the black and mixed girls 18-27 that identify as slim or athletic. I burned through all the old profiles on SA. Now I can only hit up the new profiles. I still do it on day one as many drop off within the first week. Also I don't discriminate based on their looks. Some GPS looking girls aren't. Some average looking girls turn out to be hot in person. This one just hit my search. And says money isn't her only motivation. Also I tuned up the 5 steps recently. Minor changes I made based on feedback I received. Minor but relevant.

[Member #5570]

Worked 8 hours and saw my ATF for four hours, and Stilll managed to start talking to this POT before I crash for the night. 4'11" about 105.

How the heck you managed to keep finding girls like this.

Kudos to you Sir.

[JZLizard]

I have see a few posts on the subject of marriage on here lately. So I thought I would put my two cents in.

1- there is no reason for a man to get married, financially it is one of the worst moves you can make. Generally speaking when you sign that contract (it is a contract, legally binding you to another person) you are responsible for the other person. Meaning, they are entitled to half of everything you have.

2- if you want you can live together, just be careful in some states. So it is like you are married without the contract. Plus, if you break up, you take your stuff, they take there's.

3- alimony, you are literally paying your ex not to be your wife, a judge decided what you pay and can put you in jail if you don't pay.

You work hard, take care of your family. Your loving wife decides she no longer likes you. So now you have to give her half to 2/3's your income, till she gets married again.

Don't forget the prenup.

Also for anyone who does want to get married at some point in the future, consider buying real estate before you get married. In some states assets you acquired prior to marriage are not handled the same way as assets acquired after the rings are on the fingers. Then, put a priority on aggressively paying down the principal of any loans on the property. There is no general agreement on whether it's better to pay down a mortgage quick versus the higher returns of the stock market, but when you figure the stock market has historically averaged around 7. 5% overall, then you have to pay capital gains tax, THEN combine that with the risk of you've got to get mama's signature on every freaking document that involves your retirement funds (muddy waters between money you put in before you met her versus the half she thinks she owns), rapid mortgage pay down on a home that's all yours is a really good strategy for someone that doesn't like to be a chump, and that's not even taking into consideration the ups and downs of the stock market that may make liquidity of the funds impossible if you do need them. With home equity you can always borrow against it at rates much lower than those "iffy" stock market returns.