"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JZLizard]

Once she was off the phone I got down to business. Did some heavy making out with her providing some initial last minute resistance with comments like "I have to save something for next time" and "We're not going to do too much tonight" and "You have to earn it" . That continued until I moved my kisses from her lips to between her legs. That seemed to relax her a bit more because soon all of the clothes were off. From there she tells me "You can have a sample of what sex with me will be like". I strap up and proceed to get the bang. Now this has never happened to me but after about 5 minutes or so and a couple of position switches and her fully into it she literally just get's up from the bed and says. "That was your sample" and proceeds to get dressed. I was a bit stunned but didn't flip out on her or try to press forward at all. She gathered her stuff and I walked her out to the car and sent her on her way.

No sugar was ever discussed.

Costs for the night: Drinks $10, Dinner $45, Hotel Room $42, $0 sugar.

Half Bang.

This reminds me of something a college baby I picked up on match.com used to do (she was SB age but no gifting ever took place other than taking her for dinner, etc.). She was attending college near me but her fiance lived in another state. The first time I brought her over to my place, it took almost no time before she started unbuckling my belt, unzipped my pants, got on her knees and started sucking, and finished the job right there on the couch of my living room, swallowing and all. Every date turned out to be a guaranteed BBBJCIM, sometimes in my car the parking lot of her dorm room.

But the first time we actually got into bed, she let me fuck her but stopped it before I came. "That's all for now" she would say. Sometimes she would suck me off after which was fine, but other times she would say she needs to get home to study.

Turns out it had something to do with keeping her vows of not cheating to her fiance. In her own mind, as long as I didn't cum (didn't matter if it was in her or on her) during intercourse, she had not officially broken her word to him and could say that she hadn't cheated. It was very frustrating, and one time I came close to just holding her down until the deed was done.

Then one day, I made sure I was good and backed up. I prepared for the date by watching porn and thinking about what I was going to do to her. So later that night we get into it on the loveseat in my living room, but I went into it with my poker face, acting like I was just barely getting into it, not even warmed up yet. Then I focused on cumming as quick as I could. With no warning whatsoever, I pulled out all of a sudden and sprayed her with an epic load.

I'll never forget the look of disappointment on her face that night. She wasn't mad at me at all, but I could tell she was contemplating all the complications this event had just caused her. Swallowing my load had not been cheating on her future hubby, but this was.

Good thing is it opened the flood gate for lots more sex with no rules after that. I guess she figured she already crossed the line, so no need to worry about it.

She did marry the guy after she graduated and has kids with him and a nice life. I can see her on FB today. She looks happy, my dick is happy, and he's none the wiser.

Moral of the story -- the female mind is complicated, sometimes better not to try to understand it.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Great report. The downside. You got half a bang, but on the bright side, you got half a bang.

For that same pricetag, my m&g with hipster pot 2 earlier this month went from drinks to dinner with hopes that it would turn to a trip to the FC. Sadly all I got out of a $100 dinner was a makeout session and some petting before parting ways. Stupidly I met her at a hotel bar for drinks and when drinks turned to dinner, I was hoping to book the room. Hotel restaurants suck with their overpriced food.

The upside to my story is that since the m&g, we have agreed on an allowance and have plans to the FC tomorrow.

If you see your stripper again, you should give her "half an allowance" and let her know. That if she joins your team and enters your rotation, this is a sample of what she could have on a regular basis. Assuming of course you want her as a permanent part of your rotation.

Met a 23 year old for the first time tonight. She drove 2 hours in a blinding snow storm to meet me. So I guess you can say I pretty much figured it was going to be a good night. We had been texting for almost a month but have never been able to mesh our schedules up. She is actually a stripper, typically I cast those to the side as I don't like to get mixed up in their craziness. However having talked to her for about a month she didn't seem like your average stripper. She has a good head on her shoulders, talked about this just being a temporary job, doesn't drink, etc. I'd rate her at a solid 7. 5.

We met for a drink at a local dive bar. She showed up wearing a SHORT skirt and thigh highs! Look was sexy but you should have seen the jaws of the old guys in the bar drop when she walked in the door. I was loving it. Got to know each other for about 45 minutes there and then bounced to restaurant for a bite to eat. I probably said about 10 words the entire time during drinks and dinner and the rest of it was me just listening to her blab about her stripper life. That did get old after a while. Once we finished our dinner I told her that I would be getting a hotel room for the night and invited her to come hang out for a bit. She agreed.

We get checked into the hotel (thank you Hotwire and your $42 a night room! Once in the room her phone rings and she gives me the "Once second, it's a work colleague". I kid you not but for the next 15 minutes as I'm getting settled into the room, getting music fired up on my computer, etc she's on the phone with another stripper talking business. I never realized strippers have work meetings but apparently they do. That provided some amusement for me.

Once she was off the phone I got down to business. Did some heavy making out with her providing some initial last minute resistance with comments like "I have to save something for next time" and "We're not going to do too much tonight" and "You have to earn it" . That continued until I moved my kisses from her lips to between her legs. That seemed to relax her a bit more because soon all of the clothes were off. From there she tells me "You can have a sample of what sex with me will be like". I strap up and proceed to get the bang. Now this has never happened to me but after about 5 minutes or so and a couple of position switches and her fully into it she literally just get's up from the bed and says. "That was your sample" and proceeds to get dressed. I was a bit stunned but didn't flip out on her or try to press forward at all. She gathered her stuff and I walked her out to the car and sent her on her way.

No sugar was ever discussed.

Costs for the night: Drinks $10, Dinner $45, Hotel Room $42, $0 sugar.

Half Bang.

[Rouleur]

"You can have a sample of what sex with me will be like". I strap up and proceed to get the bang. Now this has never happened to me but after about 5 minutes or so and a couple of position switches and her fully into it she literally just get's up from the bed and says. "That was your sample" and proceeds to get dressed. I was a bit stunned but didn't flip out on her or try to press forward at all. She gathered her stuff and I walked her out to the car and sent her on her way.

No sugar was ever discussed.

Costs for the night: Drinks $10, Dinner $45, Hotel Room $42, $0 sugar.

Half Bang.

Too cold blooded for me Landon. I want my SB to at least be into what we're doing enough to not flip a off switch and walk away. The reason I play in the Sugar Bowl is to enjoy a romp that is more than a few emotional steps involved than a hooker.

Having said all that, if it works for you then God bless Brother.

[LandonR]

Met a 23 year old for the first time tonight. She drove 2 hours in a blinding snow storm to meet me. So I guess you can say I pretty much figured it was going to be a good night. We had been texting for almost a month but have never been able to mesh our schedules up. She is actually a stripper, typically I cast those to the side as I don't like to get mixed up in their craziness. However having talked to her for about a month she didn't seem like your average stripper. She has a good head on her shoulders, talked about this just being a temporary job, doesn't drink, etc. I'd rate her at a solid 7. 5.

We met for a drink at a local dive bar. She showed up wearing a SHORT skirt and thigh highs! Look was sexy but you should have seen the jaws of the old guys in the bar drop when she walked in the door. I was loving it. Got to know each other for about 45 minutes there and then bounced to restaurant for a bite to eat. I probably said about 10 words the entire time during drinks and dinner and the rest of it was me just listening to her blab about her stripper life. That did get old after a while. Once we finished our dinner I told her that I would be getting a hotel room for the night and invited her to come hang out for a bit. She agreed.

We get checked into the hotel (thank you Hotwire and your $42 a night room! Once in the room her phone rings and she gives me the "Once second, it's a work colleague". I kid you not but for the next 15 minutes as I'm getting settled into the room, getting music fired up on my computer, etc she's on the phone with another stripper talking business. I never realized strippers have work meetings but apparently they do. That provided some amusement for me.

Once she was off the phone I got down to business. Did some heavy making out with her providing some initial last minute resistance with comments like "I have to save something for next time" and "We're not going to do too much tonight" and "You have to earn it" . That continued until I moved my kisses from her lips to between her legs. That seemed to relax her a bit more because soon all of the clothes were off. From there she tells me "You can have a sample of what sex with me will be like". I strap up and proceed to get the bang. Now this has never happened to me but after about 5 minutes or so and a couple of position switches and her fully into it she literally just get's up from the bed and says. "That was your sample" and proceeds to get dressed. I was a bit stunned but didn't flip out on her or try to press forward at all. She gathered her stuff and I walked her out to the car and sent her on her way.

No sugar was ever discussed.

Costs for the night: Drinks $10, Dinner $45, Hotel Room $42, $0 sugar.

Half Bang.

[Bastardo]

F Scott brings up the specter of a new baby, yet I would argue that it is the same ole song that I have encountered before. For whatever reason-possibly teens playing around, anxious pretenders afraid to pull the trigger, or shoppers who get a better deal --I have seen them often. It is frustrating because it gets ones hopes up for a score, then nothing. A risk factor for me is the girl who is too eager to talk dirty and / or send suggestive pics. I have had 3 like that who were very explicit and I thought they were in the bag, then nothing. So beware of Sexting.

So here's a stupid real life story -my stupidity that is. I sexted a HCG and she was very responsive dishing it right back. This went on for 4 hours and late that evening she said to come over to her house. Being the horndog that I am and wanting a taste of that sweet pussy I fired up the joystick chemically -ready for 3 hours of sustained banging on the front and back door of nubile young flesh, and at 2 AM off I went. She gave an address across town and texted me along the way. WEll, I got to the address and there was no sign of life or activity and it was a nice middleclass neighborhood. I was walking around this darkened house looking for the tell -that door ajar, window open with a stepladder dangling down -something. And all with a raging hardon good to go until day break. After a futile 10 minutes I realized too late, that I had been had. And then reality struck and the big brain kicked in in spite of the massive shunting of blood to the little brother, and I pictured a neighbor calling 911 and the boys in blue arriving to arrest a peeper with a woodie at 2 AM. Was it a prankster? A bitter ex-SB / SO punishing players? A fragile girl hiding inside the house I went to having changed her mind? Who knows?

I have a tendency to pursue the very young ones and I get a ton of this stuff. Nothing quite as bad as your experience of being led on a wild goose chase, but tons of excuses on the day of meeting or flat out disappearing. I just take it with a grain of salt and expect it with the age of the girls I'm dealing with. One thing I don't do is carry on endless texts or email. I'm usually ready to meet asap. I've taken to now asking them straight up if they plan to follow through, and also asking girls who do show why so many in their age group flake. And yes, from what I've been told, many young girls create accounts with no intention of actually meeting anyone. I also think many young girls think that seeing an older, successful man who treats them well and gives them money sounds great in theory, but the act of actually doing it frightens them when it comes down to it. Let's face it, the thought of their friends or family seeing an 18 yr old girl with a 50+ man is going to scare off a lot of these girls. Some don't give a shit, but many do.

[Dandy Don]

Kind of going along with this topic of Fake or Flakes, I think this week for me is going to go a long way in determining just how hard I continue to pursue a SB.

First off a brief recap.

The holiday season sucked for me due to no alone time. But the end of January, beginning of February, things picked up. But strangely, these were girls that I did not meet on any SD site. I cast a wide net including CL and dating sites. And it's a lot of work but it pays off. I have meet with a 19 year old 3 times, rocking body, tight, ok face, basically up for whatever at a minimal expectations of me. She is just super laid back, no drama, no GPS. She works and wants to go to school and just needs help with day to day living.

I had met with a 25 year old basically the same situation. Met 3 times as well, but she isn't my body type but other than that she is great but I think I am moving on simply because of the 19 year old is much hotter. Got to prioritize.

Then I met a 23 year old who was mighty fine. Face was cute, body was just my type, petite but just enough curves. She was probably one of my best sexual experiences ever. Her expectations of me were moderately high for me and also unfortunately she also appears to be a scatter brain and has a lot of stuff going on her life. I tried a repeat, but wires got crossed, and alas, I think she might not be worth the trouble.

But now I have two young woman, 20 and 25 who are talking to me not as SB, not as UTR, but just as FWB type. I think the 20 year old sees me as BF potential. Haven't' met either one yet but I think one is pretty definite to happen and the other is 40%.

Which brings me to SB fakes or flakes. I have encountered a handful of SBs lately who love to chat but not much else. One in particular is frustrating. She is very pretty, her body is very nice. We have set up dates before. None of happened but it has been both our faults. But lately, it's been mostly her offering an excuse. So this week is pretty much the drop dead date for me.

If I can continue to pull low maintenance, good qualities girls without the help of SD sites, I think I am just going to write them off all together.

[IluvSmellyFish]

There are also profiles set up to get email addresses. The addresses are then either used to distribute spam mail, or are hacked for personal info.

After you make contact and Exchange email addresses, you find your spam box has more emails.

[Rangerover411]

But I also think there are some that are just plain fakes.

I've wondered about the fakes. I've registered on SA but I haven't gone for the paid membership. Nonetheless, it seems immediately after visiting the site I get messages from girls, and of course I can't read them unless I cough up the dough. Can't help but think that at least a few of these are SA trying to coax money from my wallet.

I may have to test the theory by setting up a profile with some less-than-desirable attributes: Currently STD free, schedule will free up after I complete court-mandated community service, girls who are quick to request restraining orders are probably not my type.

If that generates messages, I'll know the system has been gamed.

[Almighty]

I was going to post about this earlier, but kind of got sidetracked, but kind of dovetailing with the current discussion, I think there are a few fakes on the sites as well, possibly paid / manufactured by the site owners.

I've had several "conversations" with some of them, always by email. We'll trade emails, and everything is great, easy conversation, etc. Then when the subject of actually meeting comes up, they go silent. I've encountered quite a few of them, and they all seem to use an email like the first letter of their first name, then a last name, at gmail dot com. Or it will be like susie 20845 at gmail dot com. Their email just looks kind of fake-ish. Plus they usually have about 2-3 pics, and they all seem kind of the same too.

I'm a pretty damn good internet detective (I have some tools that are beyond normal internet snooping) and when I start searching for them, I get nothing. I think those are paid fakes. We don't even talk donation or anything (so it's not situation where they are shopping and found a better SD, imo), but as soon as I mention actually meeting, they ghost, and can find absolutely no trace of them. And I can usually find people online that other people can't. Not saying they are all fakes, if I can't find them. But there's a damn good chance they are.

I've had several that I think are the "get cold feet" variety, but I can actually find them on the internet, and will do a good bit of texting with them. These are the ones that sign up and think it will be cool, easy money, and then when the time comes to meet, they get cold feet. But even these, more often than not, I can find them on the internet, and see they are at least legit, real girls, and have a real phone number and a real address.

I think there are real, legit girls, that get cold feet at the M&G and shut down. But I also think there are some that are just plain fakes. If the girl doesn't give you a phone / text number after exchanging a few emails / messages on the site, imo, she's a fake.

[IluvSmellyFish]

If the pot is well versed on the site with plenty of experience, I agree, probably a shopper who might have gotten a better deal, and who may want to focus on one daddy.

A new profile would suggest an anxious pretender who can't pull the trigger.

A teenage profile would likely suggest someone who is just playing games.

F Scott brings up the specter of a new baby, yet I would argue that it is the same ole song that I have encountered before. For whatever reason-possibly teens playing around, anxious pretenders afraid to pull the trigger, or shoppers who get a better deal --I have seen them often. It is frustrating because it gets ones hopes up for a score, then nothing. A risk factor for me is the girl who is too eager to talk dirty and / or send suggestive pics. I have had 3 like that who were very explicit and I thought they were in the bag, then nothing. So beware of Sexting.

So here's a stupid real life story -my stupidity that is. I sexted a HCG and she was very responsive dishing it right back. This went on for 4 hours and late that evening she said to come over to her house. Being the horndog that I am and wanting a taste of that sweet pussy I fired up the joystick chemically -ready for 3 hours of sustained banging on the front and back door of nubile young flesh, and at 2 AM off I went. She gave an address across town and texted me along the way. WEll, I got to the address and there was no sign of life or activity and it was a nice middleclass neighborhood. I was walking around this darkened house looking for the tell -that door ajar, window open with a stepladder dangling down -something. And all with a raging hardon good to go until day break. After a futile 10 minutes I realized too late, that I had been had. And then reality struck and the big brain kicked in in spite of the massive shunting of blood to the little brother, and I pictured a neighbor calling 911 and the boys in blue arriving to arrest a peeper with a woodie at 2 AM. Was it a prankster? A bitter ex-SB / SO punishing players? A fragile girl hiding inside the house I went to having changed her mind? Who knows?

[IluvSmellyFish]

F. in order to better characterize your described pot, I think more details would help. For example, is the pot you are describing brand new to the site? (I have not used sd4 me so don't even know if that kind of info is available). I have found that new pots like the idea of the sugar relationship but find it hard to execute it in real life. Often, and as previously reported by experienced brothers such as yourself, extra sugar sometimes brings those babies to the table.

Also, another much more experienced brother previously posted (cannot remember who) some advice about not letting the electronic communication go in too long or letting things get to juicy in communications before the actual m&g or FC trip. If I remember correctly, the logic was that if communications get too juicy, the pot might later fear not being able to live up to the expectations that are set. I have found that advice to be point on.

Of course without more details it is impossible to tell. Although your five years + of experience in the bowl far outweighs mine, so you have probably didn't need my commentary and also probably considered those thoughts already.

And while I have not had much experience with sd4 me, I have found that many of those I have contacted on SA are either utr or post on backpage as a "side job". Does your request for brothers to keep their encounters with hookers to themselves also cover encounters with utr pots and those that have side jobs on SA? At least in my experience I have found that the line is in many, but not all cases, a blurred one.

I myself have found value in HWGs reports on the SB he met who was giving him a discount from the rate she was charging on backpage. I have also found discussions comparing and contrasting differences between the two worlds interesting. I guess to each his own though?

In that same vein, I use this forum to help identify rates and to also help identify the best times to become more active in the bowl. To that extent, I have also found that reports like LandonRs that break down lists of encounters and general rate information to be very helpful. Which is why I try to emulate those reports. Is this the "scorekeeping" that your post references? If not, then yes, I would agree that simple scorekeeping to keep track of ones conquests don't always add value. On the other hand, different people use the forum for different purposes. And so that kind of information may be eyeopening to a sugar baby who thinks that she can request allowances that are out line with market demand. Especially when supply is so abundant. In that respect, the posting of sheer numbers could actually work to everones benefit since it would help normailize expectations for all parties involved in playing in the bowl. I think we previously established that this forum is read by both babies and daddies alike...

Just my two cents.

My Brothers,

In my three week re-entry into the Bowl, I think I have discovered what I believe is a new species of Baby, and wanted to share with you all and ask for feedback and input.

I have been at this wonderful pursuit for almost five years now, and like all of you have marveled at the quality, amount and lusciousness of the young pussy I have been able to sample. I was no slouch in my younger years, but nothing like this! Any of you who don't know me, just search my posts. I hope you will be enlightened and entertained.

That said, I have recently run across a puzzling type of Baby, and I wanted to just put this out here for comment. I have been casting my fly in the SD4 Me pool, and getting great response, with one exception. A case in point will suffice to illuminate the entire species, I believe.

Baby A, let's call her, responded to my initial message extremely positively, and I moved her swiftly and effortlessly onto my Sugar email. More message traffice ensued, including some extremely revealing photos, of which her biological Daddy would not be proud. Meetings were discussed, pics of me exchanged, more pics of her, even more pics of her, texts, etc. , I must stress that this was not my first rodeo, so I was looking for anything hinky or alarming, and no red flags were waved. When the time came to meet for Scottie Insertion, however, she went completely dark on me. Later that same afternoon, I logged on to SD4 Me and saw that she had been active on the site during the time she should have been fucking me but has not responded since, even though she shows up at the top of the list every morning when I log on to SD4Me! WTF?

I have had this experience a few more times, so I am wondering if there is not a new species of Baby out there, let's call them the Validation Baby (VB), who has no real intention of meeting anyone, but just enjoys the psychological thrill to their poor self image of having someone chase them?

I haven't really put a lot of thought into this, and at this point don't know how we Brothers can sniff them out so as to not waste time on them, but I'm asking if anyone else has had similar experineces and is willing to share.

On another note, where are the Crazy Nando 1 stories? Surely I can't be the only one. Humor is the glue that binds disparate communities together! Let's laugh once or twice as we pursue these sweet little babies. Remember: after all is said and done, to my mind it is something enjoyable, not for score-keeping. If you manage to bang a hooker, keep that to yourself. Most of us already know the procedure.

Peace out,

Scott.

[FredMoore]

F Scott brings up the specter of a new baby, yet I would argue that it is the same ole song that I have encountered before. For whatever reason-possibly teens playing around, anxious pretenders afraid to pull the trigger, or shoppers who get a better deal --I have seen them often. It is frustrating because it gets ones hopes up for a score, then nothing. A risk factor for me is the girl who is too eager to talk dirty and / or send suggestive pics. I have had 3 like that who were very explicit and I thought they were in the bag, then nothing. So beware of Sexting.

So here's a stupid real life story -my stupidity that is. I sexted a HCG and she was very responsive dishing it right back. This went on for 4 hours and late that evening she said to come over to her house. Being the horndog that I am and wanting a taste of that sweet pussy I fired up the joystick chemically -ready for 3 hours of sustained banging on the front and back door of nubile young flesh, and at 2 AM off I went. She gave an address across town and texted me along the way. WEll, I got to the address and there was no sign of life or activity and it was a nice middleclass neighborhood. I was walking around this darkened house looking for the tell -that door ajar, window open with a stepladder dangling down -something. And all with a raging hardon good to go until day break. After a futile 10 minutes I realized too late, that I had been had. And then reality struck and the big brain kicked in in spite of the massive shunting of blood to the little brother, and I pictured a neighbor calling 911 and the boys in blue arriving to arrest a peeper with a woodie at 2 AM. Was it a prankster? A bitter ex-SB / SO punishing players? A fragile girl hiding inside the house I went to having changed her mind? Who knows?

[Bowtie]

F, I believe you have identified or classified yet another. I've stumbled into the same thing, crazy friendly, great communicstion, gets your appetite all flowing, then nothing! Even the jumping back on the site to "check email", I've seen the same thing indeed. Maybe working such a creature right now. Flaked on the second attempt for as m&g, ill keep you posted.

It was still good though, the new one bailed so I call #3, sweet little 21 yo spinner. Met at the door in bra / panties with a smile, Damn.

My Brothers,

In my three week re-entry into the Bowl, I think I have discovered what I believe is a new species of Baby, and wanted to share with you all and ask for feedback and input.

I have been at this wonderful pursuit for almost five years now, and like all of you have marveled at the quality, amount and lusciousness of the young pussy I have been able to sample. I was no slouch in my younger years, but nothing like this! Any of you who don't know me, just search my posts. I hope you will be enlightened and entertained.

That said, I have recently run across a puzzling type of Baby, and I wanted to just put this out here for comment. I have been casting my fly in the SD4 Me pool, and getting great response, with one exception. A case in point will suffice to illuminate the entire species, I believe.

Baby A, let's call her, responded to my initial message extremely positively, and I moved her swiftly and effortlessly onto my Sugar email. More message traffice ensued, including some extremely revealing photos, of which her biological Daddy would not be proud. Meetings were discussed, pics of me exchanged, more pics of her, even more pics of her, texts, etc. , I must stress that this was not my first rodeo, so I was looking for anything hinky or alarming, and no red flags were waved. When the time came to meet for Scottie Insertion, however, she went completely dark on me. Later that same afternoon, I logged on to SD4 Me and saw that she had been active on the site during the time she should have been fucking me but has not responded since, even though she shows up at the top of the list every morning when I log on to SD4Me! WTF?

I have had this experience a few more times, so I am wondering if there is not a new species of Baby out there, let's call them the Validation Baby (VB), who has no real intention of meeting anyone, but just enjoys the psychological thrill to their poor self image of having someone chase them?

I haven't really put a lot of thought into this, and at this point don't know how we Brothers can sniff them out so as to not waste time on them, but I'm asking if anyone else has had similar experineces and is willing to share.

On another note, where are the Crazy Nando 1 stories? Surely I can't be the only one. Humor is the glue that binds disparate communities together! Let's laugh once or twice as we pursue these sweet little babies. Remember: after all is said and done, to my mind it is something enjoyable, not for score-keeping. If you manage to bang a hooker, keep that to yourself. Most of us already know the procedure.

Peace out,

Scott.

[HollywoodGuy]

I am two days away from my first 30 days on SA. Due to some serious dental work I had to stop the M&G's for a bit. I will say the overall quality on SA is quite a bit higher than SD4 M in my area. But I have pots lined up from both whenever I am ready. Mostly students but with a couple of Nando 1's thrown in for good measure. I did do 3 meets off SA earlier in the month. One was a legit first timer. I may see her again. I dont see any difference in pay scales from one site to the other except SA has some crazy high GPS girls, but also a lot of reasonable PYT's ready to mingle.

[BigDawg14]

One of the things I learned quickly was to never be in a position where they are telling you how much of a "donation" you are going to give them. As was stated earlier, they are SB's, not escorts. SB's accept gifts, escorts have rates. And, I remind them of that if they are not happy with my offer. I used to offer 200 per date. After I spent the time reading this forum, I realized that I was giving them escort money. The only difference was it was for multiple hours, not just 1 hour. Now, I start at 120, and never go above 150. If that's not good enough for them I just move on. Every once in a while they will contact you again to either take your offer or to see if you will reconsider and give them more. In that case I always tell them no. Matter of fact, yesterday I had one that I was talking to last spring contact me again. We had agreed on 150 for 2 hours in the FC, but then she flaked on me. She originally want 200. We talked again yesterday and I said "You're good with 150 for 2 hours as we agreed before, right" She replies that she was hoping for more as she has more bills now. I told her that I do too. We will see if she flakes again.

Took #1 to FC today and had a wonderful time. She had some awesome skills for 23 yrs old. And yes SB's do take what you offer and glady so. It was my first experience in the bowl. #2 has been emailing and texting a lot. She doesn't even want to talk about allowance. She said what I felt was fair was ok with her. If she was worried about the money she would become and escort. Have a visit set for Friday and have set aside about a 5 hr time slot set. Will see how it goes and post later on. Thanks again for the advice and tips about the bowl.