"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[F Scott]

Interesting thing with SA. My profile actually expired about a week ago however I'm still able to use the mobile app. I haven't logged into the site since my profile expired as I'm afraid that it will sync up with the mobile app and I'll be blocked. But I've been able to search and message girls just fine with an expired account on the mobile app. Anyone else ever have this happen?

Where do you find / download the mobile app for SA? My profile has expired a month or so ago, and I'd love it if the app were a back door. SDFM often allows access for a time after their trial period is over. I just assumed it was a tech issue that was being obscured by the buckets of cash pouring in.

Off to Nola in a few days to see my Music Baby! I am trembling with excitement!

Scott.

[FredMoore]

Any experience or advice with 18 year old girls who are still in High School? Been a couple of new profiles in my area of 18 year old girls. When messaging them then tell me they are Seniors in highschool. For some reason an 18 year old College Freshman seems less pervy to me than an 18 year old HS Senior.

Stay away?

Stay away! You do not want to encounter an angry parent coming after you. At least in college the girls live on their own and don't have Mom breathing down their necks, checking their facebook and phone registers, etc. Also 18 yr old girls can be as mature as an adult or total morons emotionally. Of course I am assuming they live in a home environment where the parents are involved in their life. Perhaps these girls do not have a caring parent which is why they do what they do.

[HollywoodGuy]

Any experience or advice with 18 year old girls who are still in High School? Been a couple of new profiles in my area of 18 year old girls. When messaging them then tell me they are Seniors in highschool. For some reason an 18 year old College Freshman seems less pervy to me than an 18 year old HS Senior.

Stay away?

Always make sure they have a state issued picture ID. I have come across about a half a dozen that had some lame excuse why they could not produce one.

[Almighty]

Any experience or advice with 18 year old girls who are still in High School? Been a couple of new profiles in my area of 18 year old girls. When messaging them then tell me they are Seniors in highschool. For some reason an 18 year old College Freshman seems less pervy to me than an 18 year old HS Senior.

Stay away?

If you don't stay away, I'd suggest taking a gander at their driver's license before doing (or even saying) anything remotely sexual.

[LandonR]

Any experience or advice with 18 year old girls who are still in High School? Been a couple of new profiles in my area of 18 year old girls. When messaging them then tell me they are Seniors in highschool. For some reason an 18 year old College Freshman seems less pervy to me than an 18 year old HS Senior.

Stay away?

[SlowMo]

On SA, I sent an introductory message to this girl. She replies with the following:

"well thank you, I appreciate the time you took to write all that. And unfortunately I really don't get a lot of messages on this site. I'm looking for emotional and financial support I really need a good friend at the moment a lot of these guys are completely fake. I'm in a horrible situation as of right now. I'm living with my grandmother for a bit but I can't stay here long. Its an old folks community type thing but unfortunately I'm homeless. Back in June I decided to give another shot to my ex (I moved to florida to leave him then came back to him because I really missed him. At that point it was 31/2 years together) and I got kicked out of our apartment the landlord had enough of our arguments and since he had a job and paid to live there, he made me leave. I have no phone, because he threw that in the toilet as well (his idea, I paid for it so its mine and I can do whatever I want with it.) I don't have a car, no license, I need glasses, I need to reissue my permit and most of all I need a place to live. And I have backed child support for my daughter. ".

Wow, way to make a first impression. I'll pursue a bit for fun and see where this leads. I'm sure it'll be smooth and trouble free.

SM.

Out of boredom, I decided to pursue this poor lass for a bit. Her being seemingly online 24 hours a day we quickly exchange two dozen messages and landed on a figure. She also her schedule being wide open on account of not working. And yet when I tried to line up a time she was somehow unavailable for this or that reason. After three attempts, I moved on. In the interim, she also updated her profile to be pretty darn explicit, sexually. Feels like someone who was just trying to get an online thrill.

I'm now working on a duo who seems too good to be true. We just identified a figure that works. Haven't yet touched expectations, schedule, accommodations, etc. Still a long way to Tipperary.

-SM.

[IluvSmellyFish]

As usual, great advice from the senior brothers on the board. As usual, decided to take a mix of what fits my style the most. Will post an update at the end of the month. Its been a busy few weeks for me!

[TacoLover23]

There is some serious GPS going on in my market. I'm seeing a ton of profiles that have recently been updated complaining about cheap guys or how they aren't escorts and won't accept per meeting financial aid and how most of the people aren't real daddies. Cracks me up. Like there is any difference between helping a gal on a per date basis versus monthly. Not that that obstacle is insurmountable when you reason with them and just make up that you had a bad experience with a monthly arrangement. Or when you explain that a lease on a new bmw 3-series is four hundy a month. But not sure what's in the water. The GPS seems to be out of control lately!

Still haven't met anyone yet. Kinda blew off one. I'm not into gals under 21 since when I do meet them and if I liked them I'd want to have some cocktails and dinner (just my style.) The second one I tried to M&G this weekend. I found out she was a stripper (which means she most likely IS still.) She went silent for whatever reason. Maybe with another SD or busy doing lapdances this weekend who knows. The 3rd one has serious potential. We've moved to texting and sporadically with no talk about finances. She hasn't even been on the website since we traded numbers and there is some legit 2-way interest. Getting the vibe that she just likes a man that can afford a nice dinner or a pretty dress and a night out.

Anyway, as usual enjoying all the commentary on this thread! I'm a little too busy to run the offense like Oregon Football like some of you do, but keep on keepin' on!

[HollywoodGuy]

I originally messaged this girl a month ago. She was on the site for maybe two days. Then she deleted her profile and went on vacation. And now she is txting me again. I would rather have one of her than ten average looking girls. Well maybe five.

So many of the really good girls go on the sd sites for a day or two or three, and then they are long gone. My newest ATF was on for one day. My last ATF, one day. You gotta move fast sometimes. Hit them up the first day. See them as soon as you can. This shit scares the hell out of them but it is what they want. You just have to catch them in that moment where they have a suspension of disbelief in what this might really be all about.

I love my new ATF, and I loved the look on her face last nite when I pressed that C note into her hand as she was getting out of the car at the end of the night. Priceless.

I know a lot of guys like to discretely slip the girl the donation. But some girls get wet seeing that cash. They want to be naughty and being more direct can sometimes push that. It's all part of their fantasy and mine too. Because they are only naughty for daddy. Until they aren't. lol

[RubberyMan]

My regular MILF's husband having got a job, and my 19 yo spinner lesbian finally having enough money to go overseas and meet her lover (go figure), I was back to the hunt. Usual stuff, send out the messages, etc etc etc blah blah.

Normally I filter out those who don't meet my criteria and hookers and nando1's. Again, standard operating procedure.

However, being a bit bored, I decided to check out a couple of profiles that looked decidedly Nando1. Thought I might get something to fill in the gap.

Both responded with a sob story about how they had been scammed by guys into giving it away for nothing (subtext: Ooh, how naive poor little me is) and how they need money for the rent which is in arrears. Boo hoo, sob sob. And they'll do anything for some help. Some messaging follows over a couple of days culminating in how much they will do overnight for $250 dusk to dawn. Everything on the buffet.

Both then message me about how the landlord is going to evict them Monday, sob sob. When I ask how much to get them off the hook, they hopefully, and dewy eyed reply. $1000. Of course I reply telling them how tragic it is and how unfair life is, and if only they had contacted me a couple of weeks earlier, five nights together with me, and they could have had it. Sigh.

One of them goes dark. This is the one who messaged me one evening between 8 pm and 4 pm, but with several gaps of about an hour and a half. Good try lady. I should have asked which Agency she was with.

The second one, who claimed to have been evicted that day, messages me with a revised bid of $500. I tell her that is a tough one, since it is more than double the going nightly rate. However, I would do it if she were prepared to meet me half way and spend all night doing really extreme stuff. Really extreme. Most of which is not my thing, and which I suspect is not going to happen. She agrees. She wants to meet tonight at 7 pm.

So, the first is a hooker passing herself off as a nando1, rather counterintuitive if you ask me. The second, I expect to flake at the last minute, but with some story designed to get maybe $250 this time. Or maybe tonight is the night I get to do the bucket list of stuff that most people only read about.

I'm not taking bets on the result.

Anyway, I thought the idea of a hooker trying to pass herself off as a nando1 was unusual enough to bring to attention.

[JZLizard]

Interesting thing with SA. My profile actually expired about a week ago however I'm still able to use the mobile app. I haven't logged into the site since my profile expired as I'm afraid that it will sync up with the mobile app and I'll be blocked. But I've been able to search and message girls just fine with an expired account on the mobile app. Anyone else ever have this happen?

I haven't used the SA mobile app yet. You would still be able to log in to the website too, if you haven't tried, you just won't be able to read msgs from them. I think you're saying the mobile app lets you continue to read their messages even though your paid membership expired? From a tech perspective, logging into the website probably won't sync them. However, what's making that work could be stored in temporary storage on your phone, and could expire a number of ways (by itself in time, next time you power down your phone completely, next app update, etc). Hard to say without insider info. Is the mobile app something new? If so it could be a bug that takes them months to figure out.

[JZLizard]

I was chatting with this beautiful female absolutely gorgeous. We carried on long conversation via SA.

And she same really interested but I had to ask about financial expectations because some guy is.

Out there probably willing to spend $1000's. I ask her about financial assistance expectations she went silent.

How do you guys bring up financial expectations?

I never bring it up. I bang-them and gift-them, in that order. Sounds like BS to summarize it that way I know, but that is really how I do things. They seem happy with what they get (both the banging and the gifting).

[HollywoodGuy]

Jumped into the SA fray last month. There is a lot of GPS in my area, but I am getting the best responses from some really attractive young hotties that have their expectations set to negotiable, and even some hard bodied 30 and 40 year old MILFs. Between CL and SA my time is scarce and fucking three or four different women each week is impressive considering my offers are less than $. 5 . Add in the SO, cause you know you have to keep up with your wifely duties at home lest ye rouse suspicion.

Also just turned 48 and have discovered that mini-me is not as easily excited as he used to be. Considering some performance enhancers but have zero experience with them. Medically I am in decent health, BP is a little higher than normal. If anyone wants to elaborate on their own use of Captain V,see and L I would be interested in hearing the consensus from a POV. I did search here and read a few results but nothing like a comparison.

15 mg of C a day. Its not a lot and its not a little. Taken 3 hours prior to date seems to be the optimum time frame. Sometimes it actually gets you horny, other times it just works when you need it too (like in the commercial). Less than a 1% failure rate.

[HollywoodGuy]

I was chatting with this beautiful female absolutely gorgeous. We carried on long conversation via SA.

And she same really interested but I had to ask about financial expectations because some guy is.

Out there probably willing to spend $1000's. I ask her about financial assistance expectations she went silent.

How do you guys bring up financial expectations?

I,ll just keep reposting it. Sorry to the SM's.

Hi. Every girl on here is looking for 3 things to varying degrees.

1 - financial support.

2 - physical support.

3 - emotional support.

The greater the need for reason 1, the less attention is paid to reasons 2 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 2, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 3, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 2.

I try to provide a balance between all three reasons as a basis to meet someone. Enough money to say I am not trying to get something for nothing. Real Chemistry. And I also have an understanding and giving nature combined with years of experience in taking care of girls and anticipating their needs.

I don't judge what anyone wants and I don't pretend to be able to meet everyones expectations. I use SD4 M as more of a regular dating site but to meet younger girls that want some help with their bills, have sexual needs and fantasies that can be spontaneously explored in a safe and nurturing environment, and with someone that could be a real friend even if its mostly for the financial and physical benefits. But a friend nonetheless.

Whats your motivation?

or just tell them straight up, "I pay x amount for x amount of your time and/or here is what my minimum sexual expectations are to get paid". Thats what I do.

Next.

On average I send my three messages a day to the new girls. I don't even care if they reply unless they are spot on target. Which is rare. If I look at all the girls that were my ATF's over the last few years they are all basically the same body type and skin color. Today one of my intro letters got an instant reply. I could have seen her tonite and she would have stayed over (which I never really do). Says she got booted out of her parents recently. So she was very eager to say the least. A decent looking persian mixed girl, 22, I told her I would take her out to eat tomorrow. If she is fun enough I will cancel my saturday date for her. She looks like an NP so far. Its been going on 3 months since I shifted gears, just been cruising with my regulars. Down to three as my MILF seems to have gone MIA for now. And no great loss as I am very satisfied and dont really miss all the drama of having a lot of rotation. I am kind of settled in for the moment. But as we know that can change on a dime or for one.

Speaking of which, the one pictured just txted me that she is getting a room with her BFF and having a door fee party in hollywood tonite. I see she posted on her IG that she is horny. LOL. But after a planned 2 hr FC date for this evening there is no way I would be up for more than chatting if I even make it. Timing is everything. And I dont have the time tonite and I dont think the funds this girl is expecting for an ongoing relationship. I managed to float a $ trial balloon in a txt a few days ago, and she let me know that was insulting. LOL. But she is imploring me to stop by after my date. She already questioned me about my regulars to see if there was an opening. She is only 19 but has lived in the fast lane and taken a lot of cash off a lot of guys. Shes already done it all. Pro, stripper, SB, but what a body. The grass is always greener, and when it rains it pours.

[Rouleur]

I was chatting with this beautiful female absolutely gorgeous. We carried on long conversation via SA.

And she same really interested but I had to ask about financial expectations because some guy is.

Out there probably willing to spend $1000's. I ask her about financial assistance expectations she went silent.

How do you guys bring up financial expectations?

I don't know how long your POT has been silent but don't assume you've made a mistake. Sometimes "life" will delay a SB response rather than a intentional silence. If anything, the POT should be happy you are trying to be up front about the amount of sugar needed to satisfy Her needs. If you haven't had the time or inclination to go back a read as many pages of this thread as possible, I'd recommend you find the time. You will find a treasure of information as well as some prime examples of real mistakes made by Newbies as well as the occasional small head lapse by a Senior. Welcome the Bowl!